Empire 8 in-game updates

[fisheralum91]

I have and will continue to back Ryan.
Could he be better utilized as an H back- sure!
Is there a better QB on the Fisher team?
The answer is absolutely not.
If someone transfers in with a cannon arm next year, then Ryan could be utilized much better.
If not- he is still the man.
The coaches showed zero confidence in Ahmed or Tyler.

[fisherfanatic99]

Also, I feel bad signaling him out because this really shouldn't be for bashing one guy, but I just think they will be better off in a different direction based on what I have watched.

I did say that he shouldn't be there if there is a viable backup. We don't see the practices or everyday thing but I am guessing there is something that vos doesn't like in any of the other guys. From what my son says Kramer cares less where he plays he is just the kind of guy who goes out there to win. I'm sure he has no say because wasn't he an all conference running back His first year and at Colgate. I figure he'd be comfortable there . But let me say if your coach told you that the team needs you at qb  I'm pretty sure you'd do it
I just struggle to blame the kid because its evident he competes and leave it all on the field. And I really do think he is better than you guys say but the qb will always be the one to blame if an offense is struggling

[Upstate]

The entire offense is a cluster**** and it all starts with the QB. He can only throw bubble screens. He can't throw an accurate pass down field and BSC knew it so they stacked the box and dared Kramer to beat them.  He couldn't.

The offense was a god awful 3 of 14 on 3rd downs, Kramer was 3/11 passing on 3rd downs alone.

The whole "he tries hard" angle is just a bunch of high school crap. You don't get points for effort, you get points for results and Kramer's offense is the worst offense since 2001.

If Kramer's older brother wasn't the OC he would have been pulled by now.

[fisherfanatic99]

The entire offense is a cluster**** and it all starts with the QB. He can only throw bubble screens. He can't throw an accurate pass down field and BSC knew it so they stacked the box and dared Kramer to beat them.  He couldn't.

The offense was a god awful 3 of 14 on 3rd downs, Kramer was 3/11 passing on 3rd downs alone.

The whole "he tries hard" angle is just a bunch of high school crap. You don't get points for effort, you get points for results and Kramer's offense is the worst offense since 2001.

If Kramer's older brother wasn't the OC he would have been pulled by now.

That's where I draw the line... you don't know the kramers obviously and you are questioning vos's integrity. That's terrible plain and simple

[fisheralum91]

Yeah
that was a bit over the top and uncalled for.
I do know the Kramers and nobody, nobody has as much heart or passion for the game than that Family.
Ask his teammates....and coaches......and opponents

[pg04]

The entire offense is a cluster**** and it all starts with the QB. He can only throw bubble screens. He can't throw an accurate pass down field and BSC knew it so they stacked the box and dared Kramer to beat them.  He couldn't.

The offense was a god awful 3 of 14 on 3rd downs, Kramer was 3/11 passing on 3rd downs alone.

The whole "he tries hard" angle is just a bunch of high school crap. You don't get points for effort, you get points for results and Kramer's offense is the worst offense since 2001.

If Kramer's older brother wasn't the OC he would have been pulled by now.

That's where I draw the line... you don't know the kramers obviously and you are questioning vos's integrity. That's terrible plain and simple

Well the opposite is also true it seems. Apparently You DO know them and that is making you completely biased and fairly stubborn on this issue.

[pg04]

Yeah
that was a bit over the top and uncalled for.
I do know the Kramers and nobody, nobody has as much heart or passion for the game than that Family.
Ask his teammates....and coaches......and opponents

Look, This isn't always going to be a rah rah feel-good and give trophies to everyone board. Its like Tebow Syndrome in the NFL. He can't throw the ball worth a lick but since he has "heart" Oh my gosh we need to get him in the game so he can throw 5-21 for 34 yards.

[fisheralum91]

pg- i agree that its not a trophy for everyone deal, but the kid has talent.
he is a gamer.
he is also dinged up.
unlike tebow- he has the ability to lead his team, and proved that last year.

[pg04]

pg- i agree that its not a trophy for everyone deal, but the kid has talent.
he is a gamer.
he is also dinged up.
unlike tebow- he has the ability to lead his team, and proved that last year.

OK. I respect yours and Fanatic's opinions on this since you pay close attention, I just have my doubts and think some may be getting a tad bit defensive of the guy. However, I don't know enough about the staff to cast doubt on their doing something just because so and so. It's obvious that they have confidence enough to let him start the games, although sometimes it seems they don't have the confidence to actually have him throw it.

[fisheralum91]

pg- thats the good thing about these boards...we can agree to disagree, and still understand each argument.
I will say that some pretty dramatic changes will need to be put in place next year in terms of the offense.

[fisherfanatic99]

pg- i agree that its not a trophy for everyone deal, but the kid has talent.
he is a gamer.
he is also dinged up.
unlike tebow- he has the ability to lead his team, and proved that last year.

OK. I respect yours and Fanatic's opinions on this since you pay close attention, I just have my doubts and think some may be getting a tad bit defensive of the guy. However, I don't know enough about the staff to cast doubt on their doing something just because so and so. It's obvious that they have confidence enough to let him start the games, although sometimes it seems they don't have the confidence to actually have him throw it.

Kid threw 27 times... how many times you expect him to throw. Yes a fourth of them of them were bubbles but their offense is based off the run . It even was when bailey played qb. They started two kids that weigh no.more than 250 pounds at tackle one being a freshman. Again the coaches must not have confidence in any other qb but you can't blame the kid for that. He does what he is supposed to play hard and do the best he can (not high school stuff just reality) Fisher isn't as good as people think they are. Lots of holes mostly on the offense but when the whole receiving core is hurt and your best playmaker is banged up all year you're going to have some trouble. They don't have a field goal kicker so three points for any other team is a fourth down play for Fisher .

[Upstate]

pg- i agree that its not a trophy for everyone deal, but the kid has talent.
he is a gamer.
he is also dinged up.
unlike tebow- he has the ability to lead his team, and proved that last year.

OK. I respect yours and Fanatic's opinions on this since you pay close attention, I just have my doubts and think some may be getting a tad bit defensive of the guy. However, I don't know enough about the staff to cast doubt on their doing something just because so and so. It's obvious that they have confidence enough to let him start the games, although sometimes it seems they don't have the confidence to actually have him throw it.

Kid threw 27 times... how many times you expect him to throw. Yes a fourth of them of them were bubbles but their offense is based off the run . It even was when bailey played qb. They started two kids that weigh no.more than 250 pounds at tackle one being a freshman. Again the coaches must not have confidence in any other qb but you can't blame the kid for that. He does what he is supposed to play hard and do the best he can (not high school stuff just reality) Fisher isn't as good as people think they are. Lots of holes mostly on the offense but when the whole receiving core is hurt and your best playmaker is banged up all year you're going to have some trouble. They don't have a field goal kicker so three points for any other team is a fourth down play for Fisher .

27 attempts and only 115 yards.

Pathetic.

He can not throw downfield. At all.

There is a difference between running some bubble screens like Bailey would and then relying on them entirely like Kramer does.

He's throw for 1100 yards so far this year. IN EIGHT GAMES!!!!!!

If he plays QB on any other team he is getting pulled.

[fisherfanatic99]

pg- i agree that its not a trophy for everyone deal, but the kid has talent.
he is a gamer.
he is also dinged up.
unlike tebow- he has the ability to lead his team, and proved that last year.

OK. I respect yours and Fanatic's opinions on this since you pay close attention, I just have my doubts and think some may be getting a tad bit defensive of the guy. However, I don't know enough about the staff to cast doubt on their doing something just because so and so. It's obvious that they have confidence enough to let him start the games, although sometimes it seems they don't have the confidence to actually have him throw it.

Kid threw 27 times... how many times you expect him to throw. Yes a fourth of them of them were bubbles but their offense is based off the run . It even was when bailey played qb. They started two kids that weigh no.more than 250 pounds at tackle one being a freshman. Again the coaches must not have confidence in any other qb but you can't blame the kid for that. He does what he is supposed to play hard and do the best he can (not high school stuff just reality) Fisher isn't as good as people think they are. Lots of holes mostly on the offense but when the whole receiving core is hurt and your best playmaker is banged up all year you're going to have some trouble. They don't have a field goal kicker so three points for any other team is a fourth down play for Fisher .

27 attempts and only 115 yards.

Pathetic.

He can not throw downfield. At all.

There is a difference between running some bubble screens like Bailey would and then relying on them entirely like Kramer does.

He's throw for 1100 yards so far this year. IN EIGHT GAMES!!!!!!

If he plays QB on any other team he is getting pulled.

All the bubbles are off run reads... if he were to throw down field who does he throw it to? There is NO ONE  to throw it to. The receivers this year have more drops then catches. Only reliable threat is 18 Shuey. He even fumbled today. As I said cant  throw to receivers who can't catch. Talk about bad... they are bad. But I won't criticize them because with an exception of Stell ( who is a number 3 receiver at best who is number 1 because of injuries ) who thought they'd see this much time. Its sad when your average qb is the best qb, rb, and wr on the team. Him and miller I think would be a deadly combination and let Kramer spread the field but as we see vos must not have anyone in the bank to make that happen. Therefore they try to run run run because the receivers block better than catch ... barely

[dlippiel]

Here is what dlip thinks it is fellas. A coach has to create an environment (O and D)) that best fits the type of players he has. He must find a way to get the very best out of each player, identify their strengths and use those strengths to best help the team win. Dlip has a TON of respect for Coach Vos, a ton. If we see Kramer's weakness don't you think Coach Vos does? Obviously, hence the offensive they run, a running O out of the gun. He knows Kramer is the best athlete on that team, he is no doubt in dlip's mind. Kid is ****in nasty, trust dlip he has been around d3 FB for awhile. The key in all this is that Coach Vos knows that even with Kramers struggles at the position he is clearly, in his eyes, the best option for it on the tean.. He knows this believe dlip. What the **** is he supposed to do? Homestly to dlip this offense is more of a knock on the back UPS than Kramer. Dlip bets Kramer would rather be catching passes and running the FB instead of being behind center. Vos is doing the best he can with what he's got. **** if you guys would rather just see someone go out and throw INT's just for the sake of going long the kicker could do that.

[fisherfanatic99]

Here is what dlip thinks it is fellas. A coach has to create an environment (O and D)) that best fits the type of players he has. He must find a way to get the very best out of each player, identify their strengths and use those strengths to best help the team win. Dlip has a TON of respect for Coach Vos, a ton. If we see Kramer's weakness don't you think Coach Vos does? Obviously, hence the offensive they run, a running O out of the gun. He knows Kramer is the best athlete on that team, he is no doubt in dlip's mind. Kid is ****in nasty, trust dlip he has been around d3 FB for awhile. The key in all this is that Coach Vos knows that even with Kramers struggles at the position he is clearly, in his eyes, the best option for it on the tean.. He knows this believe dlip. What the **** is he supposed to do? Homestly to dlip this offense is more of a knock on the back UPS than Kramer. Dlip bets Kramer would rather be catching passes and running the FB instead of being behind center. Vos is doing the best he can with what he's got. **** if you guys would rather just see someone go out and throw INT's just for the sake of going long the kicker could do that.

Perfectly said dlip