The 2008 Year-in-Review thread

[KitchenSink]

We need a YouTube of that kickoff.

Those of us that were late getting back after halftime would really like to see that play.

Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?

[Ralph Turner]

We need a YouTube of that kickoff.

Those of us that were late getting back after halftime would really like to see that play.

Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?

The streaming video from the NCAA won't help you.  The videographer missed it, too.

Maybe one of the school videos caught it.

[ADL70]

But it is a plane for a punt.  The punt is ob where it crosses the plane of the sideline.  I qualified my statement with "as far as a punt."

and yet a punted ball is not a touchback until it touches the ground or player

Approved Ruling 2-11-1
I. Team A's untouched scrimmage kick strikes the ground in the field of
play and breaks the plane of Team B's goal line. While the ball is in
the air, A81, who is on the one-yard line, bats the ball into the field of
play. RULING: Violation. Team B's option: touchback or possession
of the ball where declared dead (Exception: Rule 8-4-2-b).

[PA_wesleyfan]

 I have seen it in the pro's where a player leaps and knocks the ball back and no touchback was awarded..

[ADL70]

Uhh, the pro's don't play by NCAA rules.

[ADL70]

I don't remember if there is an overcoming injury topic for teams.  And I know UMHB had lots of injuries, but did any other playoff team have ten starters miss one or more complete games due to injury like CWRU?

[Ralph Turner]

I don't remember if there is an overcoming injury topic for teams.  And I know UMHB had lots of injuries, but did any other playoff team have ten starters miss one or more complete games due to injury like CWRU?

I think that UMHB lost 10 RBs' alone this season, nor counting the other positions!   

[Ralph Turner]

From the ASC Board...

And on post-game review... The ball was not illegally touched.  It hit at the 41.  The Temple-daily Telegram has still shots from the game showing the kickoff and there's a Crusader player and an official standing between the 38 and 39 and the line judge standing on the 40 with the ball well in front of them. 

http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2008/12/16/54432

The article has a bit of a bitter tone, and has Fredenburg calling for instant replay, but also has him saying that the big difference in the game was the superior physicality of the Warhawks.  My favorite quote:

"We have to judge everything on the physicality of our guys," he said. "If there was a smidgen of difference in the game, that's what it was. I would see our running backs and our quarterbacks getting really hit. We tackled, but they really punished you.

Here are the images showing the ball hitting on the UMHB 41-yd line.   The Temple Daily Telegram captions are noted in the quotes.  Going to the original article will allow one to "click" on the photos to enlarge them.  Here is the link.

http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2008/12/16/54432 

(Images and links are valid as of time and date of this posting.)

Special to the Telegram Still-frame photographs from the game film of Mary Hardin-Baylor's national semifinal against Wisconsin-Whitewater shows the second-half kickoff falling from the sky.

The ball hit the ground at the UMHB 41-yard line.

Then the ball bounced over a Crusaders' head. The officials incorrectly ruled that the ball hit at the 38 and was immediately touched by a UMHB player.

Needless to say, this game goes into the lore of D3football!   

[Pat Coleman]

If I read your buddy headlinesman correctly, it doesn't matter since the ball did not stay 10 yards beyond the line.

[D3_DPUFan]

Approved Ruling 2-11-1
I. Team A's untouched scrimmage kick strikes the ground in the field of
play and breaks the plane of Team B's goal line. While the ball is in
the air, A81, who is on the one-yard line, bats the ball into the field of
play. RULING: Violation. Team B's option: touchback or possession
of the ball where declared dead (Exception: Rule 8-4-2-b).

I think you need to bring in the best officials to figure this out...quick somebody put in a call to San Antonio for the refs who work Trinity games...

[Toby Taff]

If I read your buddy headlinesman correctly, it doesn't matter since the ball did not stay 10 yards beyond the line.

I think the remaining beyond has to do with the ball before it touches the ground.  A Team A player can catch the ball beyond 10 yards and retain possession even if the ball has  not touched a player or the ground.  Once the ball touches beyond 10 yards, the ball is live and the team that covers gets it.

[ADL70]

Sorry I didn't quote the whole rule before.


Touching and Recovery of a Free Kick
ARTICLE 3. a. No Team A player may touch a free-kicked ball until after:
1. It touches a Team B player (Exception: Rules 6-1-4 and 6-5-1-b);
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B's restraining line
(Exception: Rule 6-4-1) (A.R. 2-11-2-I); or
3. It touches any player, the ground, an official or anything beyond Team B's
restraining line.
Thereafter, all players of Team A become eligible to touch, recover or catch the
kick.

2 is what the ruling was based upon. 3 is the ruling it seems should have been made based on photo showing the ball touching the ground at the 41.

[K-Mack]

Well,
I am lost ... at least as to where to include this in the YIR and what to make of it.

Eric Drennan (Kickoff '08 contributor BTW) did a pretty good examination of it (mentioned above) in the Temple Daily Telegram, except for the editorializing in the lead.

("UMHB got hosed" -- I suppose one could argue this is true, but if it would have come to me like that, as an editor, I would let the reader get the facts and make up his or her own mind whether it was "hosed," an "honest mistake" or as is being argued on this board, the correct interpretation of the rule.)

UMHB's video dept. was kind enough to send their video. Haven't had time to watch yet, but if there's anything on it that will help, I will see if I can get it posted.

[K-Mack]

OK, nobody notice anything else cool that happened ... research is officially complete.

Friday I think.

Pretend like you're on the edges of your seats, thanks.

[Ralph Turner]

OK, nobody notice anything else cool that happened ... research is officially complete.

Friday I think.

Pretend like you're on the edges of your seats, thanks.

Year in review coming out before the Stagg Bowl!

NO WAY!!!