Potential Playoff Selections / Seedings

[The Forgotten Man]

Thanks. I wasn't trying to say that LC was any better--they have a lot of work to do before they can say anything like that--just that their records are comparable.

I didn't know LC was ranked 11 and if you say that's pretty close to where HC is ranked, that's good encough for me.

Help me understand this ranking business.

Regional Rankings are out

SOUTH REGION

1. Millsaps 7-0 8-0
2. Muhlenberg 8-0 8-0
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor 6-0 7-1
4. Hardin-Simmons 8-1 8-1
5. Thomas More 7-1 7-1
6. Huntingdon 7-0 8-0
7. Trinity (Texas) 6-1 7-1
8. Washington and Jefferson 6-1 7-1
9. Catholic 6-1 7-1
10. Wesley 2-1 6-1  ERROR  3-1 in region

I know the only thing that really matters is what happens in head-to-head competition, so I am eagerly / anxiously awaiting the November 15th game matching up Huntingdon and LaGrange.

However, just for the sake of discussion, why does LC not get any love?

Both play in the SLIAC and have had fairly comparable performances against conference opponents.

Equal input. 

Both have played an NAIA team--HC beat a relatively inferior foe (Faulkner is 2-7) and LC narrowly lost to a ranked team (Shorter is 7-2, and ranked 21st).

NAIA games are secondary criteria.

Outside of the conference they have a common opponent (Maryville) which HC beat by 6 at home and LC beat by 24 on the road at Maryville two weeks later.

Margin of victory and/or site of the game are not part of the criteria.

Yes, I know that HC spanked LC the past two years, but that was when LC had only freshmen and sophomores.

Not a criterion.

What am I missing here? 

Don't get me wrong--I'm glad for HC, but why disparity between them and LC?

I think that there is not that much difference between #6 and #11.  Huntingdon has been close to the Pool B bids in the past.  LaGrange is still a start-up program.

[K-Mack]

I don't see how the South Region is the weakest, unless maybe you are talking about the weakest #1 seed. Out of the 10 teams listed in the regional rankings, 8 of them are in the Top 25 according to D3football.com and 4 of them are in the Top 10.

Not only that, I'd take South No. 3-4-5 Wesley, UMHB and HSU over any potential 3-4-5 in the West or East.

Depth-wise, I place South after the North.

Now Thomas More, Catholic, CNU and Huntingon/LaGrange aren't going to to look too fancy, but the middle of the pack is way strong.

They might actually lose Wesley or Muhlenberg to the East.

[K-Mack]

I don't see how the South Region is the weakest, unless maybe you are talking about the weakest #1 seed. Out of the 10 teams listed in the regional rankings, 8 of them are in the Top 25 according to D3football.com and 4 of them are in the Top 10.

Typically, the regions have been ranked by the strength of the #1 seeds.  Not the entire region. 

If we look at the entire regions as published by the NCAA (ie, don't move anyone in), I'd still put the overall South Region no higher than 3rd behind the North and East.   The struggles of the MIAC and no undefeated teams in WIAC are hurting the overall West Region.   The West has to be 4th as an entire bracket if for no other reason than Monmouth is the #3 team in the West?  Monmouth?  Yikes.

True, with respect to who will host semifinals, the strength of the No. 1 seeds matters.

[PA_wesleyfan]

I don't see how the South Region is the weakest, unless maybe you are talking about the weakest #1 seed. Out of the 10 teams listed in the regional rankings, 8 of them are in the Top 25 according to D3football.com and 4 of them are in the Top 10.

Not only that, I'd take South No. 3-4-5 Wesley, UMHB and HSU over any potential 3-4-5 in the West or East.

Depth-wise, I place South after the North.

Now Thomas More, Catholic, CNU and Huntingon/LaGrange aren't going to to look too fancy, but the middle of the pack is way strong.

They might actually lose Wesley or Muhlenberg to the East.

Wesley going to the east would be ironic since most of those teams are avoiding them like the plague

[Teamski]

I don't see how the South Region is the weakest, unless maybe you are talking about the weakest #1 seed. Out of the 10 teams listed in the regional rankings, 8 of them are in the Top 25 according to D3football.com and 4 of them are in the Top 10.

Not only that, I'd take South No. 3-4-5 Wesley, UMHB and HSU over any potential 3-4-5 in the West or East.

Depth-wise, I place South after the North.

Now Thomas More, Catholic, CNU and Huntingon/LaGrange aren't going to to look too fancy, but the middle of the pack is way strong.

They might actually lose Wesley or Muhlenberg to the East.

Wesley going to the east would be ironic since most of those teams are avoiding them like the plague

hehehehehe.....One thing I am happy about is the fact that if Wesley hits the road in the playoffs, that they should do pretty well considering all of the travel they had to endure this year.  It will be business as usual for the Wolverines. 

-Ski

[union89]

I don't see how the South Region is the weakest, unless maybe you are talking about the weakest #1 seed. Out of the 10 teams listed in the regional rankings, 8 of them are in the Top 25 according to D3football.com and 4 of them are in the Top 10.

Not only that, I'd take South No. 3-4-5 Wesley, UMHB and HSU over any potential 3-4-5 in the West or East.

Depth-wise, I place South after the North.

Now Thomas More, Catholic, CNU and Huntingon/LaGrange aren't going to to look too fancy, but the middle of the pack is way strong.

They might actually lose Wesley or Muhlenberg to the East.

Wesley going to the east would be ironic since most of those teams are avoiding them like the plague

Wesley's only loss in '08 came at the hands of a team from what region again??

[theoriginalupstate]

I don't see how the South Region is the weakest, unless maybe you are talking about the weakest #1 seed. Out of the 10 teams listed in the regional rankings, 8 of them are in the Top 25 according to D3football.com and 4 of them are in the Top 10.

Not only that, I'd take South No. 3-4-5 Wesley, UMHB and HSU over any potential 3-4-5 in the West or East.

Depth-wise, I place South after the North.

Now Thomas More, Catholic, CNU and Huntingon/LaGrange aren't going to to look too fancy, but the middle of the pack is way strong.

They might actually lose Wesley or Muhlenberg to the East.

Wesley going to the east would be ironic since most of those teams are avoiding them like the plague

Join a real conference and you wouldnt have that issue now would you?

The E8 is going to have slot opened soon with Norwich leaving, get your school to join the conference so we can get you to shut up about the "east" ducking you...

[Ralph Turner]

I don't see how the South Region is the weakest, unless maybe you are talking about the weakest #1 seed. Out of the 10 teams listed in the regional rankings, 8 of them are in the Top 25 according to D3football.com and 4 of them are in the Top 10.

Not only that, I'd take South No. 3-4-5 Wesley, UMHB and HSU over any potential 3-4-5 in the West or East.

Depth-wise, I place South after the North.

Now Thomas More, Catholic, CNU and Huntingon/LaGrange aren't going to to look too fancy, but the middle of the pack is way strong.

They might actually lose Wesley or Muhlenberg to the East.

Wesley going to the east would be ironic since most of those teams are avoiding them like the plague

Join a real conference and you wouldnt have that issue now would you?

The E8 is going to have slot opened soon with Norwich leaving, get your school to join the conference so we can get you to shut up about the "east" ducking you...

Seriously,

would the E8 travel that far (to Dover DE to maintain its AQ?

They go to Hoboken for everything else.

[Teamski]

Join a real conference and you wouldnt have that issue now would you?

The E8 is going to have slot opened soon with Norwich leaving, get your school to join the conference so we can get you to shut up about the "east" ducking you...

I think PA_Wesleyfan has a point.  Wesley had to play three non-division III teams with only 3 home games this year because they couldn't find anybody to play.  And you know what? Hartwick flat turned down Coach Drass when the Christopher Newport game cancelled.  Both Hartwick and Wesley had the same open date and both only had 9 games scheduled, and yet they declined a home game with Wesley.   Now how does that make the East look?  I sure hope Wesley gets in with the E8, NJAC or the MAC, because it will surely deal once and for all with the scheduling woes of Coach Drass and the Wolverines.

-Ski

[pumkinattack]

I think the point is that it gets tiring to see people claim that entire regions are ducking a team.  I don't care about Wesley and would rather see Hobart play Ithaca, Alfred, a number of CC schools, Case and others before I'd care about a matchup with Wesley for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with ranking (I threw Case in because they are highly ranked now).  

The fact of the matter is that we all have longstanding traditions and share institutional philosophies and anyone who thinks that a schedule is created based on who's been ranked for a half dozen years is misguided.  Does that mean I don't want Bart to play the best?  No, but I treat the regular season as about everything that the school did before I got there and what its done for me and not about playing the school du jour - which changes frequently anyway.  I love the game against Dickinson - 17 years running, CMU was a nice change from Franklin and Marshall and if we go back to a tenth game and it was my call Wesley wouldn't be my first choice and not because they are good.  

So tell us who deserves to be dropped from east region team's schedules to make room for Wesley.  I think you'll find that Wesley isn't even on most schools radars for a number of reasons.  

[HScoach]

Mount Union is looking for a season opener in 2010 and beyond.  If Wesley is so upset that the East keeps ducking them, you're always welcome to head north instead

[PA_wesleyfan]

I think the point is that it gets tiring to see people claim that entire regions are ducking a team.  I don't care about Wesley and would rather see Hobart play Ithaca, Alfred, a number of CC schools, Case and others before I'd care about a matchup with Wesley for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with ranking (I threw Case in because they are highly ranked now).  

The fact of the matter is that we all have longstanding traditions and share institutional philosophies and anyone who thinks that a schedule is created based on who's been ranked for a half dozen years is misguided.  Does that mean I don't want Bart to play the best?  No, but I treat the regular season as about everything that the school did before I got there and what its done for me and not about playing the school du jour - which changes frequently anyway.  I love the game against Dickinson - 17 years running, CMU was a nice change from Franklin and Marshall and if we go back to a tenth game and it was my call Wesley wouldn't be my first choice and not because they are good.  

So tell us who deserves to be dropped from east region team's schedules to make room for Wesley.  I think you'll find that Wesley isn't even on most schools radars for a number of reasons.  

Yes and we get tired of the insinuations that Wesley isn't on a par because of academics. The USAC tried to use that excuse a few years ago when the turned down Wesley and then found out that Wesley would be the second highest ranked academically.

 Upstate

  Fact: Ithaca and SJF both were approached and declined with open dates that both teams had before the schedules were set.

 Montclair was that school who beat Wesley and they agreed to play after the season had begun. I have no problem with the NJAC. Wesley has always  played those teams.

 I have no problem with the E8 either but stop telling us to go play some one, Wesley has tried.

 Last time I checked your  E8 may not  be a real conference either if they don't go begging for teams to join!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mount Union is looking for a season opener in 2010 and beyond.  If Wesley is so upset that the East keeps ducking them, you're always welcome to head north instead

UWW and UWEC were so desperate for games, they played each other twice this season.  Tell Larry to call Wisconsin!

[Oh, great!  The Stagg can be a re-run of MUC/UWW every year! ]

[PA_wesleyfan]

Mount Union is looking for a season opener in 2010 and beyond.  If Wesley is so upset that the East keeps ducking them, you're always welcome to head north instead

UWW and UWEC were so desperate for games, they played each other twice this season.  Tell Larry to call Wisconsin!

[Oh, great!  The Stagg can be a re-run of MUC/UWW every year! ]

HScoach

Would that be an in region game?  Wesley needs them more.  And would Mount Union go to Wesley.   The E8 games wouldn't be in region either    But I can't stop my self from lighting Upstates fuse  And to think we both are SU bball fans LOL!!

Mr Ypsi

There was even talk about the ACFC playing each other twice. The only problem i see with Wisc and Texas games is the expense of traveleing year in and year ou

[union89]

Mount Union is looking for a season opener in 2010 and beyond.  If Wesley is so upset that the East keeps ducking them, you're always welcome to head north instead

UWW and UWEC were so desperate for games, they played each other twice this season.  Tell Larry to call Wisconsin!

[Oh, great!  The Stagg can be a re-run of MUC/UWW every year! ]

HScoach

Would that be an in region game?  Wesley needs them more.  And would Mount Union go to Wesley.   The E8 games wouldn't be in region either    But I can't stop my self from lighting Upstates fuse  And to think we both are SU bball fans LOL!!

Mr Ypsi

There was even talk about the ACFC playing each other twice. The only problem i see with Wisc and Texas games is the expense of traveleing year in and year ou

Huh?? 

Is Del. Val. not an Eastern team who is going to miss the playoffs.....

The guys in the NEFC don't make a lot of sense in their posts either....you should go over there and make non-sensical posts with them.....