Potential Playoff Selections / Seedings

[theoriginalupstate]

Its mixed over in the East, a couple of us out there dont mind the top 4 teams getting brackets while some think since its "our" region "our" teams should be make the bracket up...

I still think MUC is going to be the #1 seed in the East regardless of the Cortaca Jug game...

And will once again play SJF in the playoffs, this time in the first round...

[redswarm81]

If the top 4 teams are identified and brackets filled in around them, no East or West team cracks the top 4 (D3 or AFCA).
It looks more and more like Mt Union to the East, NCC to the West since it makes some geographic sense with Wabash leading the North and Millsaps for the South.
This should get interesting.

You don't have to believe me, you can ask Bob Gregg on this one as well:  The Selection Committee MAY NOT consider any polls in making its selection and seeding.

Only the selection criteria apply.  If Cortland wins the Cortaca Jug, then on the basis of the selection criteria, there's no way to justify moving anyone to the East to displace 10-0 no. 1 ranked Cortland.

In 2007, the only undefeated East team was Curry, and I don't think that Curry had any wins v. RROs, so the Committee could use that criterion to rank MUC clearly ahead of Curry, and justify moving MUC East to seed MUC ahead of Curry.

[Ralph Turner]

You don't have to believe me, you can ask Bob Gregg on this one as well:  The Selection Committee MAY NOT consider any polls in making its selection and seeding.

Only the selection criteria apply.  If Cortland wins the Cortaca Jug, then on the basis of the selection criteria, there's no way to justify moving anyone to the East to displace 10-0 no. 1 ranked Cortland. ...

I agree with Redswarm.

A 10-0 Cortland has run the table thru a very good conference, and beat a formidable foe in a rival game.  That is a #1 Regional Seed!

Now would NCC rather be the #2 Seed in the West or in the North?   

[wally_wabash]

I think what Kaiser is saying is that it may be an outdated way of thinking about the tournament strictly in terms of geographic regionality.  If the committee, after taking into consideration their mission to limit the use of airplanes, can create a field where the top four teams (in their estimation) can be #1 seeds, then that's what they want to do.  

[Ralph Turner]

I think what Kaiser is saying is that it may be an outdated way of thinking about the tournament strictly in terms of geographic regionality.  If the committee, after taking into consideration their mission to limit the use of airplanes, can create a field where the top four teams (in their estimation) can be #1 seeds, then that's what they want to do.  

But the funding for the playoffs ($$$$) must precede the Committee selections.

The Comptroller is sitting in that committee room whether we see him or not.   

[Frank Rossi]

First, thanks to Ralph Turner for the kudos related to my post on the Pool C message board.

Second, as always, we invite you to join Tom Santa Barbara and me live on WABY-Mechanicville 1160AM in the Capital New York Region, or at http://saratogamoon.com over the Internet, for this week's road game for the Union Dutchmen Football Team at the Susquehanna Crusaders starting at 12:45PM EST.  Union's 28-season streak of non-losing seasons is at stake, as is a potential ECAC Bowl bid.

In addition. throughout the game, we will monitor the status of relevant games that may affect Liberty League team seeding and selection, namely for Hobart and RPI.  We'll discuss the changing scenarios and how they may affect Pool C selection throughout the East Region as the changes develop.

Please join us, and feel free to email us during the broadcast at rossif@yahoo.com for any questions you'd like answered on the air.

[HScoach]

Found an article in a local Ohio paper interviewing Dick Kaiser, Head of the D3 playoff selection committee. Here is the link:

"It'll be like Team A's bracket, Team B's bracket and so on and so forth. That's how last year, everybody was all upset that all of sudden Mount Union was playing all of these East teams."

With due respect to Mr. Kaiser, everybody was most certainly not upset that Mount Union was playing a bunch of East teams.   

Yeah, the rest of us in the North were quite delighted - until we discovered that UWW was the replacement.  For last year (only?) we finally escape the Purple Bullies only to face an even bigger Purple Bully!

I guess it was the other teams in the West who got the benefit of MUC's move.

You're 100% right.  Bethel was a horrible Semi-Final opponent for Mount last year.  There was no way they should have made it out of any bracket.

[redswarm81]

Suggestion for Improving/Clarifying the Ranking/Selection Process

I would propose changing the D-III Football Ranking/Selection Criteria to mirror the Criteria in other D-III sports.  Specifically, I'd change the rule that effectively says only the final (secret) rankings count.  That is a rule that applies only to D-III football.  It differs from the rule laid out on page 253 of the 2008 - 2009 NCAA Division III Manual, which says the following:

• 31.3.5.2.1 Primary Criteria—Ranking and Selection (All Contests Leading up to NCAA Championships). (Revised: 8/3/06)
  
  
  • (a) Won-lost percentage against regional opponents; (Adopted: 4/15/03)
  • (b) In-region head-to-head competition;
  • (c) In-region results versus common regional opponents;
    
  • (d) In-region results versus regionally ranked teams will be considered as follows:
    
    • (1) Opponents are considered ranked once they appear one time in the sport's official rankings; and
      (2) Conference postseason contests are included; (Revised: 4/11/06 effective 8/1/07)
      

Since there are only three Regional Rankings published, and since the first one isn't published until after week 8 of the season, it seems legitimate to regard any team that is ranked at any time to be a quality opponent.  Making the D-III football Selection Criteria mirror those in the D-III Manual would add more available criteria for evaluating teams, and that's a good thing.

[TigerOldSchool]

^ of course it only applies to football!  It's the D3 version of bcs

[Mr. Ypsi]

Barring comebacks, virtually all our speculations may be rendered moot!  Cortland St. is down 28-13 to Ithaca, DePauw is all over Wabash 23-0, and Muhlenberg is down 14-7 to Moravian - all at or near halftime.

[usee]

Ithaca leads Cortland 35-13 w 5 min left. This one appears over.

[redswarm81]

Barring comebacks, virtually all our speculations may be rendered moot!  Cortland St. is down 28-13 to Ithaca, DePauw is all over Wabash 23-0, and Muhlenberg is down 14-7 to Moravian - all at or near halftime.

Thus far, much of D-III is a bloodbath.

Wabash down 33- 14;

Muhlenberg 21 - 21 last report - HOLY MOLY, Moravian wins in OT;

Cortland beaten soundly 35 - 13;

Montclair St. loses to Kean 21 - 17;

Bridgewater beats Catholic;

Lycoming over Leb. Valley and DelVal over Albright

UPDATE: John Carroll TD, PAT Kick good, JCU 17 Otterbein  17  3:43 4th Q

[TigerOldSchool]

holy cow.... that's a crazy final weekend

and the sciac may have trouble getting to its games with several major fires shutting down much of the LA/OC/Riverside Counties freeway system.

[Mr. Ypsi]

With Cortland St. falling (and Muhlenberg also falling), I'd say it is now as sure a thing as speculation ever is that MUC will anchor the 'East' again.  With Wabash falling, NCC will almost certainly anchor the North.  No more worries for Willamette that NCC will replace them in the West.

[TigerOldSchool]

Of course some of us can root for an Oxy rout and a Williamette loss to bring someone to fire-land.