Pool C

[Pat Coleman]

Regional rankings released.
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/category/regional-rankings/

[redswarm81]

Regional rankings released.
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/category/regional-rankings/

And Catholic is listed!

[K-Mack]

Pool C addressed in two places in ATN, in Pool C watch, but also in a random rambling list of one-loss teams which was basically my list of who those one-loss teams lost to, to be used for the top 25 vote.

The Pool C watch, let's just say this thread was pretty helpful. And I send some love back to it in the form of a link.

In any case, I won't scoop myself, but when it posts, enjoy.

[Ralph Turner]

Let's assume that the top-ranked team from each Pool A conference wins the AQ.

EAST REGION
1. Cortland State 7-0 7-0  NJAC
2. RPI 5-0 6-0 LL 
3. Ithaca 5-1 6-1  E8
4. Montclair State 6-1 6-1  NJAC Pool C  Beat WConn, 38-14; hosts Rowan
5. Rowan 6-1 6-1   NJAC  Pool C Beat Kean 30-22; goes to Montclair St
6. Hartwick 5-1 5-1  E8 Pool C  Beat Norwich 42-12, goes to Springfield
7. Worcester Polytech 6-1 6-1  LL  Pool C  LOST at Hobart 14-31, hosts Susquehanna
8. Hobart 5-1 5-1  LL  Pool C  Beat WPI 31-14; goes to RPI
9. Plymouth State 5-1 7-1  NEFC Pool A
10. Husson 6-0 6-2  Pool B  Open date; goes to Becker

(MAC is missing.)

NORTH REGION
1. Mount Union 6-0 7-0  Pool A OAC
2. North Central (Ill.) 7-0 7-0  Pool A CCIW
3. Otterbein 7-0 7-0  Pool C OAC  Beat Marietta 55-0; hosts MUC
4. Wabash 6-0 7-0  NCAC Pool A
5. Trine 7-0 7-0  MIAA Pool A
6. Case Western Reserve 6-0 7-0  Pool B  Beat Chicago 38-24; hosts Carnegie Mellon
7. Wheaton (Ill.) 6-1 6-1 Pool C CCIW  LOST at Elmhurst 23-37; hosts IWU
8. Franklin 5-1 6-1  Pool A HCAC
9. Adrian 5-1 6-1    Pool C MIAA  Beat Alma 45-24;  hosts Trine
10. Rose-Hulman 7-1 7-1  Pool C HCAC  LOST at Franklin 7-42; hosts Anderson

(Northern Athletics Conference is missing.)


SOUTH REGION
1. Muhlenberg 7-0 7-0  CC Pool A
2. Millsaps 6-0 7-0   SCAC Pool A
3. Washington and Jefferson 6-0 7-0   Pres AC  Pool A  LOST to TMC 29-35; hosts Bethany
4. Trinity (Texas) 6-0 7-0  Pool C SCAC  LOST to Millsaps 27-56; hosts Centre
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 5-0 6-1  ASC Pool A
6. Hardin-Simmons 7-1 7-1  Pool C ASC  Beat TLU 52-6; hosts McMurry
7. Huntingdon 1-0 7-0  Pool B  Beat Principia 76-0; hosts Hampden-Sydney
8. Catholic 5-1 6-1  ODAC Pool A
9. Salisbury 2-0 7-1   Pool B  LOST to Wesley, 21-36; open date
10. Thomas More 6-1 6-1 Pool C Pres AC  Beat W&J 35-29; Clinched

(USA  South is missing.)

WEST REGION
1. Willamette 7-0 8-0  NWC  Pool A
2. Occidental 6-0 6-0   SCIAC  Pool A
3. Monmouth 8-0 8-0  MWC  Pool A
4. UW-Stevens Point 3-1 6-1   WIAC  Pool A
5. UW-Whitewater 5-1 6-1  Pool C WIAC  Beat UWEC 40-10
6. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1   Pool C SCIAC  LOST to Oxy 21-24; host LaVerne
7. Redlands 5-1 5-1  Pool C SCIAC  Beat P-P 52-14; hosts Chapman
8. Northwestern (Minn.) 5-1 7-1   Pool B  Beat Crown 44-7
9. Concordia-Moorhead 4-2 5-2   MIAC  Pool A LOST to St Olaf's 25-28; hosts Carleton.  MIAC HAS 4-WAY Tie for 1st
10. St. John's 5-2 6-2   Pool C MIAC  Open date; hosts Augsburg

(Iowa IAC is missing.)

[d-train]

Let's assume that the top-ranked team from each Pool A conference wins the AQ.

EAST REGION
1. Cortland State 7-0 7-0  NJAC
2. RPI 5-0 6-0 LL 
3. Ithaca 5-1 6-1  E8
4. Montclair State 6-1 6-1  NJAC Pool C
5. Rowan 6-1 6-1   NJAC  Pool C
6. Hartwick 5-1 5-1  E8 Pool C
7. Worcester Polytech 6-1 6-1  LL  Pool C
8. Hobart 5-1 5-1  LL  Pool C
9. Plymouth State 5-1 7-1  NEFC Pool A
10. Husson 6-0 6-2  Pool B

(MAC is missing.)

NORTH REGION
1. Mount Union 6-0 7-0  Pool A OAC
2. North Central (Ill.) 7-0 7-0  Pool A CCIW
3. Otterbein 7-0 7-0  Pool C OAC
4. Wabash 6-0 7-0  NCAC Pool A
5. Trine 7-0 7-0  MIAA Pool A
6. Case Western Reserve 6-0 7-0  Pool B
7. Wheaton (Ill.) 6-1 6-1 Pool C CCIW
8. Franklin 5-1 6-1  Pool A HCAC
9. Adrian 5-1 6-1    Pool C MIAA
10. Rose-Hulman 7-1 7-1  Pool C HCAC

(Northern Athletics Conference is missing.)


SOUTH REGION
1. Muhlenberg 7-0 7-0  CC Pool A
2. Millsaps 6-0 7-0   SCAC Pool A
3. Washington and Jefferson 6-0 7-0   Pres AC  Pool A
4. Trinity (Texas) 6-0 7-0  Pool C SCAC
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 5-0 6-1  ASC Pool A
6. Hardin-Simmons 7-1 7-1  Pool C ASC
7. Huntingdon 1-0 7-0  Pool B
8. Catholic 5-1 6-1  ODAC Pool A
9. Salisbury 2-0 7-1   Pool B
10. Thomas More 6-1 6-1 Pool C Pres AC

(USA  South is missing.)

WEST REGION
1. Willamette 7-0 8-0  NWC  Pool A
2. Occidental 6-0 6-0   SCIAC  Pool A
3. Monmouth 8-0 8-0  MWC  Pool A
4. UW-Stevens Point 3-1 6-1   WIAC  Pool A
5. UW-Whitewater 5-1 6-1  Pool C WIAC
6. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1   Pool C SCIAC
7. Redlands 5-1 5-1  Pool C SCIAC
8. Northwestern (Minn.) 5-1 7-1   Pool B
9. Concordia-Moorhead 4-2 5-2   MIAC  Pool A
10. St. John’s 5-2 6-2   Pool C MIAC

Nice work, Ralph. The only difficulty is that your assumption likely means an extra loss to several on the list. Cal Lu (has yet to play Oxy), Adrian (has yet to play Trine), Thomas More (W&J), either Montclair St. or Rowan (they've yet to play) would lose and drop down. (Of course you know this, I'm just saying...) Some without a loss (like Trinity, TX) wouldn't drop too far...but that would be a second loss for many.

BTW - The Iowa conference is missing a rep in the west region rankings. Buena Vista or Wartburg, I believe, will earn the Pool A there and a 7 or 8 seed in the 'West."

[Ralph Turner]

+1 d-train.  Thanks for catching the Iowa IAC Pool A.

[redswarm81]

UPDATE: What if we assume that the top-ranked team from each Pool A wins out, and higher ranked teams beat lower ranked teams in showdowns.  Here's how I think it plays out among the East ranked teams:

EAST REGION
1. Cortland State  10-0 10-0  NJAC  Pool A
2. RPI                  9-0  9-0    LL     Pool A
3. Ithaca             7-2 8-2      E8     Pool A
4. Montclair State  9-1 9-1    NJAC  Pool C
5. Rowan             8-2 8-2     NJAC  Pool C
6. Hartwick          8-1 8-1     E8      Pool C
7. Worcester Poly  8-2 8-2     LL     Pool C
8. Hobart            7-2 7-2       LL     Pool C
9. Plymouth State 8-1 10-1   NEFC  Pool A
10. Husson          7-0 7-2              Pool B

In this scenario, Rowan maybe drops down and WPI and Hobart maybe drops out, so who takes their places?  If we borrow the likeliest candidates from the East Region Fan Poll, we get

St. John Fisher     7-1 7-3       E8      Pool C

and then it gets tricky.  The East Region Fan Poll voters like Lycoming, but Lebanon Valley has a higher in-Region winning percentage.  However, Lycoming has a better OWP/OOWP than Lebanon Valley, plus Lycoming beat common opponent Delaware Valley, who beat Lebanon Valley.  So it seems to me that there's reason to favor either one.

(There's still Albright, who has Lebanon Valley's winning pct., but a worse OWP/OOWP than Lebanon Valley, and a head-to-head loss to Lycoming, so I'll leave Albright out and a win over Lebanon Valley.)

So here's what Lyco's and LebVal Albright's records look like if they each win out (which they can't do, so it's either/or):

Lebanon Valley    7-3 7-3     MAC   Pool C
Lycoming           7-2 8-2      MAC   Pool A
Albright            8-2 8-2       MAC  Pool C

Also lurking would be

Curry               9-1  9-1     NEFC   Pool C

In this exercise, Rowan would be 0-2 v. ranked opponents, Curry 0-1, and LebVal Albright and Lyco 0-0 v. ranked opponents.  I figure it'd be a battle of Rowan's OWP/OOWP v. Curry's winning percentage, for the final ranked spot.

In either case, the MAC makes for 5 Pool A spots in the East Region.  Only three remain available to Husson and the Pool C candidates--two, if a top seed is moved into the East, as we know is quite possible. 

[Ralph Turner]

Trinity and W&J lost today to Millsaps and Thomas More! 

UMHB (Pool A) and HSU (Pool C) both won.

CNU held off NCWC!

"South Region" Thomas More can be sent to the "North Region".

[LA Major]

Ralph what are your thoughts regading a Pool C for Trinity after today?
It would be uncharted territory for the SCAC.

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph what are your thoughts regading a Pool C for Trinity after today?
It would be uncharted territory for the SCAC.

W&J messed up someone by losing today.  I wonder if the "ol' boy" network will work for W&J.  I wish that we were seeing the OWP/OOWP's this year.  That legislation (permitting teams to see the OWP/OOWP)  is on the docket for Jan 09.

I think that it looks bad for the SCAC.  The OWP/OOWP (SOS) for Trinity does not look good.  W&J was ahead of Trinity prior to today's losses.  Does W&J fall below HSU and Trinity?

McMurry and TLU (TU's non-conference opponents) are playing in a strong, but isolated, conference.  (McMurry took AC to 2OT, and AC has been a middle rung SCAC team this year.)

HSU looks best in the South to me.

Barring any other upsets, I think that the Regional Rankings next Wednesday give us the South Region's Pool C.  I was concerned that the East Region would walk off with 3 Pool C bids this year when I reviewed last Wednesday's rankings.

[LA Major]

I agree Ralph. It seems like the old SOS issue continues to hurt SCAC schools and will only get worse as other schools come on line in seasons to come to eat up out of conference games. This has been an ASC steady strategy year to year that continues to work for them. Too bad for TU and the SCAC this year.

[smedindy]

If Wittenberg beats Wooster, they may vault into "C" contention with just one regional loss. If Adrian beats Trine, then Trine could be a "C" contender. Otterbein is probably a 'lock' if they only lose to Mt. Union.

I think Wheaton's loss made the CCIW a 1-bid league.

[Mr. Ypsi]

If Wittenberg beats Wooster, they may vault into "C" contention with just one regional loss. If Adrian beats Trine, then Trine could be a "C" contender. Otterbein is probably a 'lock' if they only lose to Mt. Union.

I think Wheaton's loss made the CCIW a 1-bid league.

Unless Augie beats NCC - NCC would be a near-lock at 9-1.

[Ralph Turner]

If Wittenberg beats Wooster, they may vault into "C" contention with just one regional loss. If Adrian beats Trine, then Trine could be a "C" contender. Otterbein is probably a 'lock' if they only lose to Mt. Union.

I think Wheaton's loss made the CCIW a 1-bid league.

Unless Augie beats NCC - NCC would be a near-lock at 9-1.

It looks like there will be several one-loss teams staying home, at this minute.

[Ralph Turner]

Updated thru Nov 1st.

Let's assume that the top-ranked team from each Pool A conference wins the AQ.

EAST REGION
1. Cortland State 7-0 7-0  NJAC Pool A clinched
2. RPI 5-0 6-0 LL 
3. Ithaca 5-1 6-1  E8
4. Montclair State 6-1 6-1  NJAC Pool C  Beat WConn, 38-14; hosts Rowan
5. Rowan 6-1 6-1   NJAC  Pool C Beat Kean 30-22; goes to Montclair St
6. Hartwick 5-1 5-1  E8 Pool C  Beat Norwich 42-12, goes to Springfield
7. Worcester Polytech 6-1 6-1  LL  Pool C  LOST at Hobart 14-31, hosts Susquehanna
8. Hobart 5-1 5-1  LL  Pool C  Beat WPI 31-14; goes to RPI
9. Plymouth State 5-1 7-1  NEFC Pool A
10. Husson 6-0 6-2  Pool B  Open date; goes to Becker

(MAC is missing.)

NORTH REGION
1. Mount Union 6-0 7-0  Pool A OAC
2. North Central (Ill.) 7-0 7-0  Pool A CCIW
3. Otterbein 7-0 7-0  Pool C OAC  Beat Marietta 55-0; hosts MUC
4. Wabash 6-0 7-0  NCAC Pool A clinched
5. Trine 7-0 7-0  MIAA Pool A
6. Case Western Reserve 6-0 7-0  Pool B  Beat Chicago 38-24; hosts Carnegie Mellon
7. Wheaton (Ill.) 6-1 6-1 Pool C CCIW  LOST at Elmhurst 23-37; hosts IWU
8. Franklin 5-1 6-1  Pool A HCAC
9. Adrian 5-1 6-1    Pool C MIAA  Beat Alma 45-24;  hosts Trine
10. Rose-Hulman 7-1 7-1  Pool C HCAC  LOST at Franklin 7-42; hosts Anderson

(Northern Athletics Conference is missing.)


SOUTH REGION
1. Muhlenberg 7-0 7-0  CC Pool A
2. Millsaps 6-0 7-0   SCAC Pool A Clinched
3. Washington and Jefferson 6-0 7-0   Pres AC  Pool A  LOST to TMC 29-35; hosts Bethany
4. Trinity (Texas) 6-0 7-0  Pool C SCAC  LOST to Millsaps 27-56; hosts Centre
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 5-0 6-1  ASC Pool A
6. Hardin-Simmons 7-1 7-1  Pool C ASC  Beat TLU 52-6; hosts McMurry
7. Huntingdon 1-0 7-0  Pool B  Beat Principia 76-0; hosts Hampden-Sydney
8. Catholic 5-1 6-1  ODAC Pool A
9. Salisbury 2-0 7-1   Pool B  LOST to Wesley, 21-36; open date
10. Thomas More 6-1 6-1 Pool C Pres AC  Beat W&J 35-29; Clinched

(USA  South is missing.)

WEST REGION
1. Willamette 7-0 8-0  NWC  Pool A
2. Occidental 6-0 6-0   SCIAC  Pool A
3. Monmouth 8-0 8-0  MWC  Pool A clinched
4. UW-Stevens Point 3-1 6-1   WIAC  Pool A
5. UW-Whitewater 5-1 6-1  Pool C WIAC  Beat UWEC 40-10
6. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1   Pool C SCIAC  LOST to Oxy 21-24; host LaVerne
7. Redlands 5-1 5-1  Pool C SCIAC  Beat P-P 52-14; hosts Chapman
8. Northwestern (Minn.) 5-1 7-1   Pool B  Beat Crown 44-7
9. Concordia-Moorhead 4-2 5-2   MIAC  Pool A LOST to St Olaf's 25-28; hosts Carleton.  MIAC HAS 4-WAY Tie for 1st
10. St. John's 5-2 6-2   Pool C MIAC  Open date; hosts Augsburg

(Iowa IAC is missing.)