Pool C

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Pat,

Great pod-cast today guys.  I have already given K-MACK my limit of one compliment this week so I can't compliment him again until Saturday evening.  I got the impression that Hampden-Sydney may be considered before W&J as a pool C contender.  Is that due to the strength of schedule of .616 vs .377 for W&J? 

[Pat Coleman]

Yes -- after HSC's win this weekend they should be in the regional rankings and the game against Huntingdon did give them a nice boost in the OWP.

[@d3jason]

For those in need of hope:

Otterbein, Ithaca and H-SC could very well lose this week (JCU, CSt. & R-MC) and UW-W could become an A team.

FWIW.

Kean (6-3) and Montclair St. should be a battle too. Don't be surprised if the Cougars give the Red Hawks a run. A  lot of Kean's coaching staff came from Montclair.

[gobombers15]

A possible C complication that I don't recall anyone mentioning.  Ithaca has been scratched out as an AQ, but if SJF beats Alfred (and I'd think they are favored) I believe they would win the E8 AQ (having beaten Ithaca h-to-h).

IF Ithaca wins the Cortaca Bowl, they're 9-1 (AND probably bring MUC over as the East #1, IMO).  How would that alter predictions?

If they lose to Cortland St., they'd still be 8-2 - outside looking in, or bubble? 

Of course, if Alfred beats SJF, forget I ever posted this.

If Alfred beats Fisher, Ithaca gets the Pool A AQ regardless of what happens in the Cortaca Jug game.

If Ithaca beats Cortland and Fisher beats Alfred, Fisher gets the Pool A and almost certainly Ithaca will get a Pool C.

[theoriginalupstate]

If Ithaca beats Cortland and Fisher beats Alfred, Fisher gets the Pool A and almost certainly Ithaca will get a Pool C.

And the #2 seed in the bracket...

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Would love to hear from all of you who know far better than I what you think are Redland's chances to get a Pool C bid?

[Pirat]

If Northwestern somehow beats St. Thomas, in my way of thinking, that puts NW into the final "C" spot ahead of Redlands and a couple of others.  If not then I think UoR has a decent chance.

So can they beat Cal Lu?

[K-Mack]

For those in need of hope:

Otterbein, Ithaca and H-SC could very well lose this week (JCU, CSt. & R-MC) and UW-W could become an A team.

FWIW.

Kean (6-3) and Montclair St. should be a battle too. Don't be surprised if the Cougars give the Red Hawks a run. A  lot of Kean's coaching staff came from Montclair.

Good point.

Redlands doesn't have an easy game either.

Even Waynesburg (5-4) for W&J is no gimme.

RPI vs. USMMA is about the only 'they should definitely win that' game amongst bubble C teams.

[K-Mack]

A possible C complication that I don't recall anyone mentioning.  Ithaca has been scratched out as an AQ, but if SJF beats Alfred (and I'd think they are favored) I believe they would win the E8 AQ (having beaten Ithaca h-to-h).

IF Ithaca wins the Cortaca Bowl, they're 9-1 (AND probably bring MUC over as the East #1, IMO).  How would that alter predictions?

If they lose to Cortland St., they'd still be 8-2 - outside looking in, or bubble? 

Of course, if Alfred beats SJF, forget I ever posted this.

If Alfred beats Fisher, Ithaca gets the Pool A AQ regardless of what happens in the Cortaca Jug game.

If Ithaca beats Cortland and Fisher beats Alfred, Fisher gets the Pool A and almost certainly Ithaca will get a Pool C.

I wouldn't be surprised if Muhlenberg got the East No. 1 instead.

Although with Wabash and NC in the North, I guess moving MUC for a second straight year might make sense, despite the probable outrage it would cause in the East.

[K-Mack]

I have already given K-MACK my limit of one compliment this week so I can't compliment him again until Saturday evening. 

Hopefully by then you will not be in the mood to talk.

[redswarm81]

A thought just occurred to me.  Much has been made of the fact that the final Regional Rankings are not seen, and I think it's an appropriate subject for discussion.  There are cases where teams who lose in the final week are dropped from the Regional Rankings, and there is a "cascade effect," where teams who played those teams earlier in the season are not entitled to the benefit of "results v. RROs" for having played the team that dropped off the rankings.

Since the season is so short relative to baseball and basketball, and since injuries can be a big factor in late season performance, I think it might make sense to eliminate the restriction  that "ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the rankings/selection process only."

Thoughts?  What would be the downside?  Since the Regional Rankings don't come out until Week 9, the regionally ranked teams can't be pure flashes in the pan, it seems to me.

[theoriginalupstate]

A possible C complication that I don't recall anyone mentioning.  Ithaca has been scratched out as an AQ, but if SJF beats Alfred (and I'd think they are favored) I believe they would win the E8 AQ (having beaten Ithaca h-to-h).

IF Ithaca wins the Cortaca Bowl, they're 9-1 (AND probably bring MUC over as the East #1, IMO).  How would that alter predictions?

If they lose to Cortland St., they'd still be 8-2 - outside looking in, or bubble? 

Of course, if Alfred beats SJF, forget I ever posted this.

If Alfred beats Fisher, Ithaca gets the Pool A AQ regardless of what happens in the Cortaca Jug game.

If Ithaca beats Cortland and Fisher beats Alfred, Fisher gets the Pool A and almost certainly Ithaca will get a Pool C.

I wouldn't be surprised if Muhlenberg got the East No. 1 instead.

Although with Wabash and NC in the North, I guess moving MUC for a second straight year might make sense, despite the probable outrage it would cause in the East.

The only ones outraged would be Cortland fans who have a legit claim at a #1 spot if they win vs IC.  However, everyone around the east is pretty aware that MUC going east is a possibility and more than likely a forgone conclusion. The lack of a solid #2 and possibly a #3 seed after Cortland ensures that a highly ranked team is going to be imported.....

[Pirat]

Muhlenberg to the East makes sense to me but I didnt put them as a #1. So far my East looks like

Cortland State
Muhlenberg
Ithaca
Hobart
Plymouth State
St. John Fisher
Delaware Valley
Montclair State

For whatever so far the North
Mount Union
Wabash
Otterbein
Franklin
Trine
Thomas More
Case Western Reserve
Aurora

The South
Millsaps
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Hardin-Simmons
Hampden-Sydney
Wesley
Catholic
Huntingdon
Christopher Newport

[Ralph Turner]

Okay pirat, I "pinned the bids" on the schools.  Please double-check the lists!   

Thanks!

Muhlenberg to the East makes sense to me but I didnt put them as a #1. So far my East looks like

Cortland State
Muhlenberg
Ithaca
Hobart
Plymouth State
St. John Fisher
Delaware Valley
Montclair State

For whatever so far the North
Mount Union
Wabash
Otterbein
Franklin
Trine
Thomas More
Case Western Reserve
Aurora

The South
Millsaps
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Hardin-Simmons
Hampden-Sydney
Wesley
Catholic
Huntingdon
Christopher Newport

North Central
UW-Stevens Point
Willamette
UW-Whitewater
Occidental
Wartburg
St. John's
Monmouth

Pool C in bold.  Pool B in italics.

[redswarm81]

Muhlenberg to the East makes sense to me but I didnt put them as a #1. So far my East looks like

Cortland State
Muhlenberg
Ithaca
Hobart
Plymouth State
St. John Fisher
Delaware Valley
Montclair State

Wow.

I guess you're predicting Montclair St. to lose to Kean?

Ithaca would have to have two losses in your prediction--how does that get them a no. 3 seed?

Here's what your bracket and last week's results do to last week's rankings (with records updated):

East Region
1. Cortland St  8-0 8-0  9-0 9-0
2. RPI             7-0 7-0  7-1 7-1
3. Ithaca         6-1 7-1  7-1 8-1
4. Montclair St  7-1 7-1  8-1 8-1
5. Rowan         7-1 7-1  7-2 7-2
6. Hartwick      6-1 6-1  6-2 6-2
7. Hobart         6-1 6-1  7-1 7-1
8. Plymouth St  7-1 8-1  8-1 9-1
9. Husson        6-0 6-2  7-0 7-2
10. Curry         7-1 8-1  8-1 9-1