Pool C

[Ralph Turner]

Practically speaking, I like Cal Lu as the #7-#8 seed and the 6th Pool C bid and send them to Oxy.

With a bunch of 2-loss teams, no other two-loss team has losses to the top 2 in the region, and it saves a plane flight!  $$$$$$ 

[sju56321]

So, you have Oxy as the #2 seed, playing the #7 Cal Lu. Do you have Willamette #1? If so, then NCAA flys Wartburg or Aurora out there. Suppose both #1 and #2 win, then in the second round you have two more flights, 4/5 at 1 and 3/6 at 2. Seems like a lot of flights.

[Ralph Turner]

So, you have Oxy as the #2 seed, playing the #7 Cal Lu. Do you have Willamette #1? If so, then NCAA flys Wartburg or Aurora out there. Suppose both #1 and #2 win, then in the second round you have two more flights, 4/5 at 1 and 3/6 at 2. Seems like a lot of flights.

I am counting on Willamette and Oxy/Cal Lu playing in the second round, regardless.

My bracket for the West...


#1 Willamette vs #8 Wartburg
#2 Oxy vs #7 Cal Lutheran (#7/ #8 makes little difference)


#3 Monmouth vs #5 UW-W (avoiding the first round match for conference opponents)
#4 UW-SP vs #6 SJU

Minimum number of flights, but it gives Oxy a chance to host the Regional Finals.  Higher seeded team hosts the game.

[Toby Taff]

given the carnage today I have to think Hardin Simmons is greatfl they had today off

[sju56321]

Ok, Ralph, I see. This should be interesting tomorrow to see how it all plays out.

[Ron Boerger]

Ok, Ralph, I see. This should be interesting tomorrow to see how it all plays out.

Heck, I'm dying to see what Pat and the guys at the Home Office are putting together for final predictions.   

[Ralph Turner]

Ok, Ralph, I see. This should be interesting tomorrow to see how it all plays out.

Heck, I'm dying to see what Pat and the guys at the Home Office are putting together for final predictions.  

I know.  And they have more info than we do, and a better insight into the way the committee thinks!  And those guys are talking on a conference call, too!   

My North Bracket

MUC to the East;  Thomas More in from the South.

#1 NCC vs #8 Aurora
#4 Wabash (a Pool A) vs #5 Otterbein (Pool C, unless the committee thinks that the DPU loss by Wabash was "too ugly" and drops them below Otterbein.)

#2 Trine vs #7 Thomas More
#3 Case Western Reserve Pool B vs #6 Franklin  ( I don't think that a Franklin-TMC matchup or a Trine-CWRU matchup would be posted.)

Does anyone have any thoughts about breaking the brackets into some type of east-west alignment for this region?

[Ralph Turner]

My South Bracket

W&J (Pool C) to the East

#1 Millsaps vs #8 LaGrange  Pool B
#2 UMHB vs #3 HSU (Pool C only loss to a RRO)

#4 Muhlenberg vs #7 Randolph-Macon
#5 Wesley Pool B vs #6 CNU

[Ralph Turner]

Pool A's:  MUC, Ithaca, Cortland, Hobart, Plymouth State, Lycoming.
Pool C's: W&J and Montclair State.

I have a hard time seeing an East Region team being passed over 6 times in the Pool C deliberations!  I think that one Pool C team will come to the east.

The Committee might move Muhlenberg or Wesley in here for some geographic balance, too.

Would Husson really get some consideration as a Pool C instead of Montclair?  Nah.

[Ralph Turner]

My Pool B's:

1)  CWRU
2)  Wesley
3)  LaGrange

My Pool C's (in no particular order)

1) Otterbein
2) UWW
3)  HSU
4)  W&J
5)  Montclair State
6)  Cal Lutheran.

Thanks to all.

[Ron Boerger]

My Pool B's:

1)  CWRU
2)  Wesley
3)  LaGrange

My Pool C's (in no particular order)

1) Otterbein
2) UWW
3)  HSU
4)  W&J
5)  Montclair State
6)  Cal Lutheran.

Thanks to all.

Still trying to figure Cal Lu over DePauw.   After today DPU has better OWP (20th) and OWWP than Cal Lu (39th).  Yes, Cal Lu lost to two undefeated teams, but their best win is against 8-2 Redlands while DPU knocked off formerly undefeated Wabash.  If DPU and Cal Lu are on the board for the last spot I gotta think the committee gives it to DePauw. 

[redswarm81]

My Pool B's:

1)  CWRU
2)  Wesley
3)  LaGrange

My Pool C's (in no particular order)

1) Otterbein
2) UWW
3)  HSU
4)  W&J
5)  Montclair State
6)  Cal Lutheran.

Thanks to all.

Still trying to figure Cal Lu over DePauw.   After today DPU has better OWP (20th) and OWWP than Cal Lu (39th).  Yes, Cal Lu lost to two undefeated teams, but their best win is against 8-2 Redlands while DPU knocked off formerly undefeated Wabash.  If DPU and Cal Lu are on the board for the last spot I gotta think the committee gives it to DePauw. 

I'm trying to figure out how an undefeated in-Region team gets no consideration v. 2 teams with 2 in-Region losses.  The way I read the Handbook, Husson's vastly superior in-Region won-loss percentage ought to get them a Pool C bid based on Primary Criteria.

I didn't write the rules.
But neither can I ignore them.

[jam40jeff]

#1 NCC vs #8 Aurora
#4 Wabash (a Pool A) vs #5 Otterbein (Pool C, unless the committee thinks that the DPU loss by Wabash was "too ugly" and drops them below Otterbein.)

#2 Trine vs #7 Thomas More
#3 Case Western Reserve Pool B vs #6 Franklin  ( I don't think that a Franklin-TMC matchup or a Trine-CWRU matchup would be posted.)

I think Wabash will stay at #4, if for no other reason than Otterbein's win today wasn't very convincing.  Wabash's loss was bad, but I think the committee would have wanted to see something more convincing out of Otterbein to move them ahead of Wabash.

I wonder if #2/#3 is close?  I know I think CWRU should be ahead of Trine, but the regional rankings haven't shown that thus far, but CWRU's OWP got a boost today from Wooster's pounding of Wittenberg.

[labart96]

RS -

You make a valid point, but even Kaiser was quoted as calling Husson a "2 loss team".

I think their very weak D3 schedule will ultimately cost them.

[usee]

Ok, Ralph, I see. This should be interesting tomorrow to see how it all plays out.

Heck, I'm dying to see what Pat and the guys at the Home Office are putting together for final predictions.  

I know.  And they have more info than we do, and a better insight into the way the committee thinks!  And those guys are talking on a conference call, too!   

My North Bracket

MUC to the East;  Thomas More in from the South.

#1 NCC vs #8 Aurora
#4 Wabash (a Pool A) vs #5 Otterbein (Pool C, unless the committee thinks that the DPU loss by Wabash was "too ugly" and drops them below Otterbein.)

#2 Trine vs #7 Thomas More
#3 Case Western Reserve Pool B vs #6 Franklin  ( I don't think that a Franklin-TMC matchup or a Trine-CWRU matchup would be posted.)

Does anyone have any thoughts about breaking the brackets into some type of east-west alignment for this region?

I have very similar bracket with 2 exceptions:

I DO think Bash moves to #5 seed and Ott #4 (I think bash's 1 loss in week 12 to a 2 loss team is worse than Ott's to an undefated and #1 team). And I think Thomas More is still the #8 seed and headed to Naperville. There is no justification to jump TM over Aurora. Geography is all within 500miles too. So I have

NCC v Thomas More
Trine V Aurora
CWR V Franklin
Ott V Bash