ECACs

[SUADC]

Ithaca didn't declare? How ironic would it be if they went 5-5 and lost out on a chance to extend the winning seasons streak by passing on one?

They can at least say they didn't have a losing season.

[Pat Coleman]

They can ask Central -- it's definitely not the same.

[Frank Rossi]

Is it too early (or irrelevant) to try and look at ECAC declared teams?  I'm not sure how rigid the bids are, so I'm going to assume that Cortland would get paired in the North and Salisbury or Gallaudet in the South if they receive bids even though they are declared in the opposite based on their conferences.  Other than that, it seems reasonable that there would be 4 North bowls and 3 South bowls (* next to teams that can still make NCAAs).

North

Team	Record
*Hobart	6-0
*Endicott	8-1
*St. John Fisher	7-1
Worcester State	7-2
*Cortland State	6-2
Bridgewater State	6-2
*Norwich	6-3
Salve Regine	6-3
Alfred	5-3
Mass-Maritime	5-3
Springfield	5-3
Utica	5-3
Mount Ida	4-4
Curry	4-5
Plymouth State	4-5
RPI	3-4

Western New England (7-2) will be ineligible if they lose the NEFC championship since that will be their 11th game, so I didn't include them.

South

Team	Record
*Delaware Valley	8-0
*Widener	8-1
*Kean	7-1
*Salisbury	7-1
*Wesley	7-1
Catholic	5-3
Gallaudet	5-3
Lebanon Valley	5-3
Albright	5-4
Waynesburg	4-3
Saint Vincent	4-4
Bethany	3-4
Wilkes	3-4
William Paterson	3-5

Leaving Grove City (2-6) out since I'm pretty sure a winning record is required.

I'll update these standings after tomorrow's results (probably not until Monday), but it seems like the cutoffs would currently be in the middle of the 5-3 teams in the North and after Albright in the South.

Couple things:

1) RPI is still eligible for the NCAAs.  I laid out the scenarios on Sunday in the LLPP.

2) The rule for ECAC eligibility is EITHER a .500 or better record in conference play or overall.

[AUKaz00]

I thought I remembered that, then I went and looked at the standings and figured I was thinking it applied to before the Shoes.  If they're still mathematically eligible, I'll give them an asterik on Monday.

[AUKaz00]

North

Team	Record
*Endicott	9-1
*Hobart	6-1
Worcester State	8-2
Bridgewater State	7-2
Cortland State	7-2
St. John Fisher	7-2
Salve Regine	7-3
Alfred	6-3
Springfield	6-3
Mass-Maritime	5-4
Mount Ida	5-4
Utica	5-4
Curry	5-5
RPI	4-4

Norwich (7-3) has clinched the ECFC AQ; Plymouth State (4-6) lost ending any chance of qualifying for an ECAC bid, so I have removed them from the list.

South

Team	Record
*Delaware Valley	9-0
*Kean	8-1
*Wesley	8-1
*Widener	8-1
Lebanon Valley	6-3
Albright	6-4
Waynesburg	5-3
Catholic	5-4
Gallaudet	5-4
Saint Vincent	5-4
Bethany	4-4
Wilkes	3-5

Salisbury (8-1) has clinched the E8 AQ; William Paterson (3-6) and Grove City (2-7) lost ending any chance of qualifying for an ECAC bid, so I have removed them from the list.

I'm gonna guess that in the North Endicott will host Bridgewater, Worcester will host Springfield, Fisher will host Salve Regina and Cortland will host the winner of the Alfred/Utica game.

In the South, if Kean beats Montclair and Wesley gets a Pool B or C, the MAC could host all three bowls.

[maxpower]

Ithaca didn't declare? How ironic would it be if they went 5-5 and lost out on a chance to extend the winning seasons streak by passing on one?

This post is a lot more prescient in hindsight, but yeah, this is one year I could say I might look forward to an IC ECAC game...

[ExTartanPlayer]

Looking at the list...I'm a little surprised that Carnegie Mellon didn't put in for an ECAC game, if for no other reason than "we did it back in 2007 when I was there!" with a 6-4 team. 

If they beat CWRU this weekend (admittedly a big if), they'd probably get a look in the South...considering that most of the teams with more than 6 wins are likely playoff participants.  Oh well.

In the North, I'd really like to see some NEFC teams play against LL/E-8 teams in OOC play; (IMHO, that's the only way that some of those teams will ever get better), and perhaps a meeting or two in a bowl game would start that ball rolling.

[AUKaz00]

Ithaca didn't declare? How ironic would it be if they went 5-5 and lost out on a chance to extend the winning seasons streak by passing on one?

This post is a lot more prescient in hindsight, but yeah, this is one year I could say I might look forward to an IC ECAC game...

Looking at the list...I'm a little surprised that Carnegie Mellon didn't put in for an ECAC game, if for no other reason than "we did it back in 2007 when I was there!" with a 6-4 team. 

6-4 looks like it may hold up in the South for a bid, but in the North there will likely be no more than one 6-4 team in the top 8.  So, Ithaca would have to hope that a number of teams paid the penalty to pass even to get a shot at 5-5.

[Frank Rossi]

Ithaca didn't declare? How ironic would it be if they went 5-5 and lost out on a chance to extend the winning seasons streak by passing on one?

This post is a lot more prescient in hindsight, but yeah, this is one year I could say I might look forward to an IC ECAC game...

Looking at the list...I'm a little surprised that Carnegie Mellon didn't put in for an ECAC game, if for no other reason than "we did it back in 2007 when I was there!" with a 6-4 team. 

6-4 looks like it may hold up in the South for a bid, but in the North there will likely be no more than one 6-4 team in the top 8.  So, Ithaca would have to hope that a number of teams paid the penalty to pass even to get a shot at 5-5.

You also need to remember that we may be back to three games this year in the East.  Remember that in 2009, there were 4 in the South, 3 in the North.  In 2010, there were 3 in the South, 4 in the North.

[SUADC]

With there being a lot of talk over who should be in and who shouldn't be in the national playoff bracket. The ECACs should consider a playoff of their own. Similar to the NIT for basketball. If so, I would like to see some good two-loss teams like St. John Fisher and Montclair St. play each other. You could even reward teams from Virgina like W&L and RM or even Huntingdon. I know this scenario is a huge long-shot, but I was just curious.

[Upstate]

With there being a lot of talk over who should be in and who shouldn't be in the national playoff bracket. The ECACs should consider a playoff of their own. Similar to the NIT for basketball. If so, I would like to see some good two-loss teams like St. John Fisher and Montclair St. play each other. You could even reward teams from Virgina like W&L and RM or even Huntingdon. I know this scenario is a huge long-shot, but I was just curious.

There's some rule saying you can only play at most 11 games if you're not in the NCAAs...

[Pat Coleman]

Agreed -- NCAA Division III rules prohibit this.

[SJFF82]

With there being a lot of talk over who should be in and who shouldn't be in the national playoff bracket. The ECACs should consider a playoff of their own. Similar to the NIT for basketball. If so, I would like to see some good two-loss teams like St. John Fisher and Montclair St. play each other. You could even reward teams from Virgina like W&L and RM or even Huntingdon. I know this scenario is a huge long-shot, but I was just curious.

There's some rule saying you can only play at most 11 games if you're not in the NCAAs...

imagine that...another NCAA rule that one can make no sense out of ($$$$$$)?  I mean does the NCAA limit how many games Seton Hall gets in the NIT every year....oh yeah....the TV contracts kinda make some 'rules' go away

If ESPN covered ECAC games....then play, play, play......

[Pat Coleman]

And in ECAC basketball, you can play a three-game tournament. Football isn't really analagous.

[Jonny Utah]

I'm sure if the ECAC asked and there was some interest the NCAA might listen.