ECACs

[drt]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

[pg04]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

It's about the record. The others have 3 losses. And even if there was a 4 loss team, there would be Buff State and Ithaca on the table.

[Jonny Utah]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

No I think Utica got boned pretty good their last two games.

[Yanks 99]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Do I think Utica is worse then Castleton?  No way...

But when you lose by 40 to Salisbury and 35 to Fisher (and even that is not a true indication of how bad they got beat in that game as they were down 55-7 in the 4th) to end the season, you don't really make yourself a strong contender for a bid.

I think what hurts Utica is that when they get beat...they really get beat.  They don't lose close games like, say, Fisher did this year (who lost their 3 games by 11, 13, and 8 points).  When Utica loses, they get buried.  In their four losses, UC got beat by 19, 18, 40, and 35 points...and in two of those games UC scored a garbage TD with less than 3 minutes to go to give the appearance that the games were even closer.

[Upstate]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Nope...

Utica is 6-4 and just let the worst Fisher offense since 2001 score 55 points in 3 quarters...

[dlippiel]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Do I think Utica is worse then Castleton?  No way...

But when you lose by 40 to Salisbury and 35 to Fisher (and even that is not a true indication of how bad they got beat in that game as they were down 55-7 in the 4th) to end the season, you don't really make yourself a strong contender for a bid.

I think what hurts Utica is that when they get beat...they really get beat.  They don't lose close games like, say, Fisher did this year (who lost their 3 games by 11, 13, and 8 points).  When Utica loses, they get buried.  In their four losses, UC got beat by 19, 18, 40, and 35 points...and in two of those games UC scored a garbage TD with less than 3 minutes to go to give the appearance that the games were even closer.

The past few years it seems as if Utica gets everyone excited and then simply ****s the bed when it counts. Their defense just couldn't do enough when it mattered to help the O. ****, the O couldn't really do enough when it mattered either. You can beat poor teams all you want but until you can beat the top teams you aren't going to be taken very seriously. Honestly, Utica pisses dlip off because of their continued wasted potential. They always show flashes of brilliance only to take a giant deuce in a dirty public toilet (without covering the seat) towards the end of the season. A real waste fro a talent like Benkwitt. Kid needs a team around him.

[mattvsmith]

Preach it, Brother Dlip!

[Yanks 99]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Do I think Utica is worse then Castleton?  No way...

But when you lose by 40 to Salisbury and 35 to Fisher (and even that is not a true indication of how bad they got beat in that game as they were down 55-7 in the 4th) to end the season, you don't really make yourself a strong contender for a bid.

I think what hurts Utica is that when they get beat...they really get beat.  They don't lose close games like, say, Fisher did this year (who lost their 3 games by 11, 13, and 8 points).  When Utica loses, they get buried.  In their four losses, UC got beat by 19, 18, 40, and 35 points...and in two of those games UC scored a garbage TD with less than 3 minutes to go to give the appearance that the games were even closer.

The past few years it seems as if Utica gets everyone excited and then simply ****s the bed when it counts. Their defense just couldn't do enough when it mattered to help the O. ****, the O couldn't really do enough when it mattered either. You can beat poor teams all you want but until you can beat the top teams you aren't going to be taken very seriously. Honestly, Utica pisses dlip off because of their continued wasted potential. They always show flashes of brilliance only to take a giant deuce in a dirty public toilet (without covering the seat) towards the end of the season. A real waste fro a talent like Benkwitt. Kid needs a team around him.

I agree with you Dlip, 100%.  I think UC wasted a lot of potential.  I have no idea who their QB is going to be in the future as Benkwitt is graduating this year, but they better hope he is at least as good, or they could be in some real trouble.

I think that they thought this was the year that they were really going to make some noise in the conference...and it just didn't happen.  I mean, 4-3 is nice I guess...but the reality is that they are probably still considered only the 6th best team in the E8.

Benkwitt was a good player...and the last two years he had certainly had some offensive weapons around him...but I am not sure how good he really is, in terms of where he ranks up against other E8 QB's of the past 10 years or so.  Maybe Top 10-15?  Maybe scratching the surface of the Top 10?  The stats tell me he should be up there...I mean, he did throw for over 10,000+ yards and over 80 TD's for his career.  He did lead UC to a 20-20 overall record the past four years.  The one stat through that bothers me though is the 6-18 record against E8 opponents (with a 14-2 record against non-conference opponents).  Was that all on him?  No...but there were certain games where he disappeared as well.  Would I ever put him in the same conversation with the likes of Boltus, Keeley, Sharpe, Bailey, Kramer (Rob), and several IC QB's?  Probably not...

[AUKaz00]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

It's about the record. The others have 3 losses. And even if there was a 4 loss team, there would be Buff State and Ithaca on the table.

Exactly.  Even Alfred who finished second in the E8, but had one less win (game) is travelling to Springfield while Fisher has a home game, so it certainly seems to be record-driven.

[Frank Rossi]

Is Dlip planning to take the trip to Utica next season for U Bowl III?  They would like you to award the new trophy -- something about a dirty public toilet bowl without a seat.  Not sure where they'll engrave the winner's name...

[sjfcards]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Nope...

Utica is 6-4 and just let the worst Fisher offense since 2001 score 55 points in 3 quarters...

I think UC is at least as good as some of the teams playing in ECACs this weekend, but I figured the Fisher/UC game was a play in game for both teams, with the loser not getting a bid. They really didn't do anything in that game to make me think UC was deserving of an ECAC bid.

[AUPepBand]

Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Do I think Utica is worse then Castleton?  No way...

But when you lose by 40 to Salisbury and 35 to Fisher (and even that is not a true indication of how bad they got beat in that game as they were down 55-7 in the 4th) to end the season, you don't really make yourself a strong contender for a bid.

I think what hurts Utica is that when they get beat...they really get beat.  They don't lose close games like, say, Fisher did this year (who lost their 3 games by 11, 13, and 8 points).  When Utica loses, they get buried.  In their four losses, UC got beat by 19, 18, 40, and 35 points...and in two of those games UC scored a garbage TD with less than 3 minutes to go to give the appearance that the games were even closer.

The past few years it seems as if Utica gets everyone excited and then simply ****s the bed when it counts. Their defense just couldn't do enough when it mattered to help the O. ****, the O couldn't really do enough when it mattered either. You can beat poor teams all you want but until you can beat the top teams you aren't going to be taken very seriously. Honestly, Utica pisses dlip off because of their continued wasted potential. They always show flashes of brilliance only to take a giant deuce in a dirty public toilet (without covering the seat) towards the end of the season. A real waste fro a talent like Benkwitt. Kid needs a team around him.

Hey now, be careful what you say about Pep's Saxons...
Pep was certainly expecting the Moose to be fearless against Fisher in, like what Upstate said, a "play-in game" but instead appeared to come out a bit flat.
Pep is wondering whether that long trip to Salisbury the week before had something to do with it?
A trip to the East Coast and playing a game against Sea Gulls certainly can take the wind out of one's sails.

On Saxon Warriors!

[kate]

Super good luck to our Aggies on Saturday as they take on the Muhlenberg Mules in Allentown at noon.   We'll be in Maryland at the McDaniel Tip-Off with Widener & the lady Aggies & company, but we'll be thinking about Del Val football!   End the season with a win, Men!!!

[Bombers798891]

Benkwitt was a good player...and the last two years he had certainly had some offensive weapons around him...but I am not sure how good he really is, in terms of where he ranks up against other E8 QB's of the past 10 years or so.  Maybe Top 10-15?  Maybe scratching the surface of the Top 10?  The stats tell me he should be up there...I mean, he did throw for over 10,000+ yards and over 80 TD's for his career.  He did lead UC to a 20-20 overall record the past four years.  The one stat through that bothers me though is the 6-18 record against E8 opponents (with a 14-2 record against non-conference opponents).  Was that all on him?  No...but there were certain games where he disappeared as well.  Would I ever put him in the same conversation with the likes of Boltus, Keeley, Sharpe, Bailey, Kramer (Rob), and several IC QB's?  Probably not...

Come on. Our guys don't even get names? Weak.

Benkwitt = Boltus lite.

Seriously, tell me these last two Utica teams weren't like Team Boltus, just not at the level with the QB/Top WRs.

In their last 20 games, Utica's defense has allowed 40+ points ten times and the offense has scored 40+ seven times. Let's look at some of Team Boltus's scores from 2007 and 2008:

48-21 (L), 46-36 (L), 42-21 (L), 72-70 (W), 61-32 (W), 63-37 (W), 69-42 (L), 58-27 (W), 45-31 (L), 70-68 (L)

I'm not saying Benkwitt is as good as Boltus (Who was the 2nd best QB in the E8 the last 10 years—that's right, I said it) and Utica never had a WR in the same class as Phelan, which is why they never quite got there, but still. No two teams have done this quite like the Wick and Utica. But still, there are some striking similarities. I say we call Utica Team Benkwitt from now on

[Yanks 99]

Benkwitt was a good player...and the last two years he had certainly had some offensive weapons around him...but I am not sure how good he really is, in terms of where he ranks up against other E8 QB's of the past 10 years or so.  Maybe Top 10-15?  Maybe scratching the surface of the Top 10?  The stats tell me he should be up there...I mean, he did throw for over 10,000+ yards and over 80 TD's for his career.  He did lead UC to a 20-20 overall record the past four years.  The one stat through that bothers me though is the 6-18 record against E8 opponents (with a 14-2 record against non-conference opponents).  Was that all on him?  No...but there were certain games where he disappeared as well.  Would I ever put him in the same conversation with the likes of Boltus, Keeley, Sharpe, Bailey, Kramer (Rob), and several IC QB's?  Probably not...

Come on. Our guys don't even get names? Weak.

Benkwitt = Boltus lite.

Seriously, tell me these last two Utica teams weren't like Team Boltus, just not at the level with the QB/Top WRs.

In their last 20 games, Utica's defense has allowed 40+ points ten times and the offense has scored 40+ seven times. Let's look at some of Team Boltus's scores from 2007 and 2008:

48-21 (L), 46-36 (L), 42-21 (L), 72-70 (W), 61-32 (W), 63-37 (W), 69-42 (L), 58-27 (W), 45-31 (L), 70-68 (L)

I'm not saying Benkwitt is as good as Boltus (Who was the 2nd best QB in the E8 the last 10 years—that's right, I said it) and Utica never had a WR in the same class as Phelan, which is why they never quite got there, but still. No two teams have done this quite like the Wick and Utica. But still, there are some striking similarities. I say we call Utica Team Benkwitt from now on

Personally, I thought that Fellicetti, BY, O'Donovan, and Juvan were all just as good, or better than Benkwitt.

Boltus the 2nd best QB in the E8?  Whatever you are smoking...puff, puff, pass my friend!!!