ECACs

[SUADC]

I'm hoping for an Ithaca at Framingham State ECAC bowl now.

Unless it is possible for the rest of the E8 to implode and see IC get a playoff birth.

More like Bridgewater St.

[Bombers798891]

Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 10/30/12) (Including Cortland State as a North Team Despite South Designation)


Ithaca College 5-3 (3-3)

That's just crazy talk. Ithaca's way to arrogant to play in the ECAC's.

They were the last team listed and weren't there on Saturday -- guessing the school is rewarding the team after the major shock vs. Salisbury.

What are the rules regarding the minimum record required to be eligible? Do you have to be .500 overall and in conference? One of the two?

[Bombers798891]

I'm hoping for an Ithaca at Framingham State ECAC bowl now.

Unless it is possible for the rest of the E8 to implode and see IC get a playoff birth.

Sadly, Utica or Salisbury are guaranteed five wins in conference, so it's ECAC or bust for the Bombers

[SUADC]

I'm hoping for an Ithaca at Framingham State ECAC bowl now.

Unless it is possible for the rest of the E8 to implode and see IC get a playoff birth.

Sadly, Utica or Salisbury are guaranteed five wins in conference, so it's ECAC or bust for the Bombers

I believe Ithaca deserves an extra game, other than the game at Alfred, Ithaca could easily be 7-1 right now. The question would be, do they get a home game?

[pg04]

Apparently there won't be Fisher vs. Brockport. I wonder why Brockport has not applied? Unless I missed them on my numerous scans of the list.

[Bombers798891]

I believe Ithaca deserves an extra game, other than the game at Alfred, Ithaca could easily be 7-1 right now. The question would be, do they get a home game?

It's interesting with Ithaca, but I've never been a fan of "They could be..." because usually, that cuts both ways. If Union gets off a punt snap in Week 2, IC probably loses that game. What happens if your Gulls aren't flagged for "roughing" the kicker at the one yard line leading to the first? Barring a team going 7-3 with losses to Mount, MHB, and Wesley, I prefer to think like Bill Parcells: "You are your record"

I'd like to see the Bombers play one, but it's always a wild card as to how a team reacts to an ECAC game (one of the reasons I typically don't like them). This is especially true for Ithaca, since they're coming off their rivalry game. I have seen teams just lay flat out eggs in ECAC games. One that always sticks with me is Cortland in 2006. They're 9-1, ranked 14th in D3 by our esteemed voters, with their only loss a 14-7 setback at Rowan (ranked 13th), and they get left out of the NCAAs. They go up against a decent, but hardly great RPI team and lose, at home, 26-7, turning the ball over 7 times in the process.

Yes, they were on their 17th string quarterback at the time, but that's a game the Red Dragons shouldn't have lost. I've heard many IC players had no desire to play an ECAC game in 1999, which ended badly for them

I would like to think everyone gives 100% all the time, but I've seen teams come out an go through the motions. Of course I've also seen really ****ed off Bomber teams obliterate opponents in 1998 and 2004. I still feel for that 1998 Hartwick team, who had no clue what they were walking into and had absolutely no shot to win that game. Just brutal

[Frank Rossi]

Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 10/30/12) (Including Cortland State as a North Team Despite South Designation)


Ithaca College 5-3 (3-3)

That's just crazy talk. Ithaca's way to arrogant to play in the ECAC's.

They were the last team listed and weren't there on Saturday -- guessing the school is rewarding the team after the major shock vs. Salisbury.

What are the rules regarding the minimum record required to be eligible? Do you have to be .500 overall and in conference? One of the two?

.500 or better in either overall or conference record.  Two years ago, a fourth game was added when the nominations were oversubscribed in 2010, but not offered in 2011.  That said, even with four games, it's highly unlikely any 4-loss team will garner consideration barring a complete breakdown over the next two weeks across the subregion.

[Frank Rossi]

Quick note:

Add Hartwick and Mount Ida (the only school not willing to host) to the list.

Subtract Framingham State (withdrawn).

I'll reflect the changes later tonight when I update the list.

[Frank Rossi]

Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 11/4/12)**
------------
***Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1)
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Castleton State College 7-2 (6-0)
*Mount Ida 7-2 (5-1)
*Norwich University 6-2 (3-2)
St. John Fisher College 6-3 (3-3)
Utica College 6-3 (4-2)
Springfield College 6-3 (4-2)
Ithaca College 6-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 5-3 (4-2)
RPI 5-3 (3-3)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
Massachusetts Maritime 5-4 (4-3)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)

* - Head-to-Head Winner Next Week to NCAAs
** - Hartwick Cannot Reach .500 (Excluded from List), And All AQs Removed
*** - Serious Pool C Bid Contender

[Bengalsrule]

Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 11/4/12)**
------------
***Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1)
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Castleton State College 7-2 (6-0)
*Mount Ida 7-2 (5-1)
*Norwich University 6-2 (3-2)
St. John Fisher College 6-3 (3-3)
Utica College 6-3 (4-2)
Springfield College 6-3 (4-2)
Ithaca College 6-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 5-3 (4-2)
RPI 5-3 (3-3)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
Massachusetts Maritime 5-4 (4-3)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)

* - Head-to-Head Winner Next Week to NCAAs
** - Hartwick Cannot Reach .500 (Excluded from List), And All AQs Removed
*** - Serious Pool C Bid Contender

Frank, I'm a D3 football newbie. How many teams get a ECAC (north?) bid? When do those bids come out?

[Frank Rossi]

Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 11/4/12)**
------------
***Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1)
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Castleton State College 7-2 (6-0)
*Mount Ida 7-2 (5-1)
*Norwich University 6-2 (3-2)
St. John Fisher College 6-3 (3-3)
Utica College 6-3 (4-2)
Springfield College 6-3 (4-2)
Ithaca College 6-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 5-3 (4-2)
RPI 5-3 (3-3)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
Massachusetts Maritime 5-4 (4-3)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)

* - Head-to-Head Winner Next Week to NCAAs
** - Hartwick Cannot Reach .500 (Excluded from List), And All AQs Removed
*** - Serious Pool C Bid Contender

Frank, I'm a D3 football newbie. How many teams get a ECAC (north?) bid? When do those bids come out?

There are a guaranteed three games per region (so six bids guaranteed in the North).  That said, in 2010, four games were awarded to the North, while in 2009, four were awarded to the South -- both years, this was based on the large number of schools interested in playing.  This pool of teams is about the same size as we saw in 2010 for the North, so don't be surprised if four games get awarded to the North again (eight bids).  The teams are seeded 1 through 6 (or 1 through 8) and matched up as 1/6 (or 1/8), 2/5 (or 2/7), etc.

Only Mt. Ida signed up but refused a home game.  So, except for that possibility, the better seed hosts.  The games will be announced usually on Sunday night of Selection Weekend (next Sunday) since the bids can't be determined until at-large teams for the NCAA Playoffs are known.

[mattvsmith]

Frank, do you know the rationale for signing up but refusing a home game? Sounds odd to me. Wouldn't a school want to have the game at home to generate excitement and revenue? Or do D3 games cost the schools more than they bring in?

[Frank Rossi]

Frank, do you know the rationale for signing up but refusing a home game? Sounds odd to me. Wouldn't a school want to have the game at home to generate excitement and revenue? Or do D3 games cost the schools more than they bring in?

Some schools are on break, making the scenario tough in terms of having the staffing to host.  In the case of NCAAs, there is a minimal level of facilities threshold that some schools can't meet -- the ECACs have a lower threshold, but this would still be possible.  If I remember correctly back when Curry visited SJF in the Second Round years ago (I called the game for D3football.com), I ran into parents from Curry at a Thruway Rest Stop who told me the students had to vacate campus upon their return since the school was on break already.  This might be more common in the New England schools still.  Long story short, there are a few reasons that could cause this -- and I can't really pinpoint what the specifics are in this case without knowing more about Mt. Ida.

[Bengalsrule]

Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 11/4/12)**
------------
***Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1)
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Castleton State College 7-2 (6-0)
*Mount Ida 7-2 (5-1)
*Norwich University 6-2 (3-2)
St. John Fisher College 6-3 (3-3)
Utica College 6-3 (4-2)
Springfield College 6-3 (4-2)
Ithaca College 6-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 5-3 (4-2)
RPI 5-3 (3-3)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
Massachusetts Maritime 5-4 (4-3)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)

* - Head-to-Head Winner Next Week to NCAAs
** - Hartwick Cannot Reach .500 (Excluded from List), And All AQs Removed
*** - Serious Pool C Bid Contender

Frank, I'm a D3 football newbie. How many teams get a ECAC (north?) bid? When do those bids come out?

There are a guaranteed three games per region (so six bids guaranteed in the North).  That said, in 2010, four games were awarded to the North, while in 2009, four were awarded to the South -- both years, this was based on the large number of schools interested in playing.  This pool of teams is about the same size as we saw in 2010 for the North, so don't be surprised if four games get awarded to the North again (eight bids).  The teams are seeded 1 through 6 (or 1 through 8) and matched up as 1/6 (or 1/8), 2/5 (or 2/7), etc.

Only Mt. Ida signed up but refused a home game.  So, except for that possibility, the better seed hosts.  The games will be announced usually on Sunday night of Selection Weekend (next Sunday) since the bids can't be determined until at-large teams for the NCAA Playoffs are known.

Thanks Frank!!

[Frank Rossi]

Couple interesting notes/changes:

1) Ithaca is now listed as not willing to host a game (still would play, but not host);

2) Brockport is listed in the South Region like Cortland.  However, the Committee has generally played Cortland in the North during their NJAC tenure.  As such, add Brockport at 5-4 (3-4) to the nominated teams in the North based on historical approach;

3) Mass. Maritime has withdrawn from consideration at 5-4 (4-3).