ECACs

[Frank Rossi]

Final tally from last year

Here's how the final ECAC board looks.  I know some pairings are being leaked already.  Parentheticals are SOS figures.

ECAC North
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Framingham State University​ (MASCAC) 9-1/8-0  (0.532)

St. John Fisher College​ (E8) 8-2/6-2 (0.564)
Western New England University​ (NEFC​) 8-2/5-2 (0.471)

Western Connecticut State University​ (MASCAC​) 7-3/6-2 (0.467)
Norwich University​ (ECFC​) 7-3/5-2 (0.459)
SUNY Buffalo State​ (E8) 7-3/5-3 (0.549)
Utica College​ (E8) 7-3/5-3 (0.511)
Worcester State University​ (MASCAC​) 7-3/5-3 (0.470)

Salve Regina University​ (NEFC​) 6-4/5-2 (0.490)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute​ (LL) 6-4/4-3 (0.544)
Fitchburg State University​ (MASCAC) 6-4/4-4 (0.471)

Mount Ida College​ (ECFC​) 5-5/5-2 (0.399)
Westfield State University​ (MASCAC​) 5-5/4-4 (0.504)
SUNY Cortland​ (NJAC​) 5-5/4-3 (0.504)
Endicott College​ (NEFC) 5-5/4-3 (0.532)
Alfred University​ (E8) 5-5/3-5 (0.586)
The College at Brockport​ (E8) 5-5/3-5 (0.535)

ECAC South
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Morrisville State College​ (NJAC​) 8-2/5-2 (0.475)
Waynesburg University​ (PAC) 8-2/6-2 (0.477)

Stevenson University​ (MAC) 7-3/6-3 (0.497)

Bethany College​ (PAC) 6-4/5-3 (0.496)
Salisbury University​ (E8) 6-4/5-3 (0.596)
Albright College​ (MAC) 6-4/5-4 (0.480)

Franklin and Marshall​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.505)
Moravian College​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.512)
Juniata College​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.484)

Saint Vincent College​ (PAC) 4-6/4-4 (0.481)

Reminder that I had deleted teams taken by the NCAA and those not eligible based on records out of the mix.  As such, the number of declarations was much higher than this list.

[EDIT: I found the 2014 document.  Not including the 2 North and 1 South schools that withdrew, there were 22 South schools and 19 North schools that declared in 2014.]

[ExTartanPlayer]

MAC and Centennial agree to a bowl series between the two conferences... see you later ECACs for at least this year.

Story coming to D3football site shortly, I am sure.

Uggh. Why 1 vs 2? The better bowl games would be 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. Why just try and generate easier wins instead of making better games? That being said, I fully support this and would like to see the ODAC and USASAC do something similar. Jealous.

Regardless of the 1 vs. 2 debate, I love the concept of conferences pairing up for these bowl games and doing it themselves.  From the recent discussion here it sounds as though the ECAC is, unfortunately, not the ideal way of getting to this end - and if we are willing to just cut the middleman and make a deal to play against another league, I think that's pretty cool (as long as cost and logistics can somehow be taken care of) and solves some of the problems discussed earlier - long travel, lack of interest.  If you can play a game against an opponent from a nearby league, and create some sort of league rivalry/pride in the process, maybe this gets to a better end product for players and fans.  Now I'm trying to think of a partner that the PAC could pair up with.  PAC-OAC?  PAC-NCAC?  Maybe even MIAA?  I'd love to see something like this popping up around the country.

[Frank Rossi]

PAC/NJAC is the most logical thing this year.  They're both in peril based on this decision, so they, too, might as well cut out the middleman (and the hotel frogs/bedbugs) by meeting up in a limited fashion that wouldn't otherwise occur.  The state of the South now is horrendous if we eliminate Geneva, Stevenson, and FDU-Florham from the equation.  At least bring in some revenue PAC/NJAC.

[NED3Guy]

Wow....

So much for my earlier post saying that this might actually work for the ECAC.

[AUPepBand]

We seem to be writing a lot of 'pulling out of the ECAC' stories on our sites of late.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls

Good story, Pat. Answered my question about NCAA rules governing such post-season play. +K

[Saxon73]

I was initially under the impression that the bowl games would be in Connecticut every year.  Reading from the ECAC website, they indicate there would be different locations year to year.  Regardless, each year some team or teams would have substantial mileage to travel.  Still 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I wouldn't worry about it... probably no games to send teams to after this year. 

[Saxon73]

More information about video of games- might as well watch them this year 

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/PACK_NETWORK_BROADCAST

[AUPepBand]

I was initially under the impression that the bowl games would be in Connecticut every year.  Reading from the ECAC website, they indicate there would be different locations year to year.  Regardless, each year some team or teams would have substantial mileage to travel.  Still 

Part of the "deal" is that ECAC covers cost of transportation.

[Saxon73]

I was initially under the impression that the bowl games would be in Connecticut every year.  Reading from the ECAC website, they indicate there would be different locations year to year.  Regardless, each year some team or teams would have substantial mileage to travel.  Still 

Part of the "deal" is that ECAC covers cost of transportation.

They don't cover the cost of "travel fatigue."  We have discussed before how long trips "tripped" up the Saxons.  i.e. 2005 - Washington and Lee

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

They cover costs of transportation while then forcing the institutions to buy 300 tickets to the games at the cost of $3,000. So, let's call that a wash... because after that are the costs of hotel rooms at $150 bucks a room - that's the "deal" for the schools involved.

[jknezek]

I was initially under the impression that the bowl games would be in Connecticut every year.  Reading from the ECAC website, they indicate there would be different locations year to year.  Regardless, each year some team or teams would have substantial mileage to travel.  Still 

Part of the "deal" is that ECAC covers cost of transportation.

They don't cover the cost of "travel fatigue."  We have discussed before how long trips "tripped" up the Saxons.  i.e. 2005 - Washington and Lee

I can vouch for that. W&L has never won a game in New York state. So it goes both ways. Long road trips, in DIII, are a killer. When W&L got sent to Hobart in the first round in 2012 it was 465 miles or so. Longest bus trip in the tournament that year I believe. The first half was good, by the second half you could see W&L was weary. Some of that was Hobart was better. Some of that was 10 hours on the bus the day before...

[Frank Rossi]

Over the last 24 hours, a strange thing happened to the North declarations -- there had been 16 teams listed (and I'll provide a full lineup of eligible declared teams after tomorrow's games as I normally do around this time of season).  However, Cortland, Alfred, Norwich, Western New England, Husson, and Fisher have disappeared from the North's declared teams, leaving just 10 North declarations.

Of course, this could have been a clerical error, as Morrisville's affiliation changed back from "Empire 8" back to "NEAC" in the most recent listing.  However, Wesley appeared for the first time, while Bethany, FDU-Florham, and Westminster disappeared from the South.  There looks to be only three South teams that would qualify presently, as Stevenson should've also withdrawn after yesterday's announcement (but still appears as of tonight).

The drop may be due to the exposure of the new rules that occurred when the MAC/CC announcement was made.  Remember that the $3,000 ticket requirement for all schools would have affected all participants, not just far away schools.  The hotel price and the lack of a revenue split appears to also have turned the stomachs of the withdrawing schools, if I had to guess.

More on this after the games go final Saturday.

[wone3]

Over the last 24 hours, a strange thing happened to the North declarations -- there had been 16 teams listed (and I'll provide a full lineup of eligible declared teams after tomorrow's games as I normally do around this time of season).  However, Cortland, Alfred, Norwich, Western New England, Husson, and Fisher have disappeared from the North's declared teams, leaving just 10 North declarations.

Of course, this could have been a clerical error, as Morrisville's affiliation changed back from "Empire 8" back to "NEAC" in the most recent listing.  However, Wesley appeared for the first time, while Bethany, FDU-Florham, and Westminster disappeared from the South.  There looks to be only three South teams that would qualify presently, as Stevenson should've also withdrawn after yesterday's announcement (but still appears as of tonight).

The drop may be due to the exposure of the new rules that occurred when the MAC/CC announcement was made.  Remember that the $3,000 ticket requirement for all schools would have affected all participants, not just far away schools.  The hotel price and the lack of a revenue split appears to also have turned the stomachs of the withdrawing schools, if I had to guess.

More on this after the games go final Saturday.

Stevenson probably stayed until results tomorrow for hedge bets; cause worst case MAC only gets 1 NCAA bid and then the next 2 would be the new bowl bids and he might be afraid they'd finish 4th (only if they lost final 2) and wouldn't have a game to play.

[Saxon73]

Over the last 24 hours, a strange thing happened to the North declarations -- there had been 16 teams listed (and I'll provide a full lineup of eligible declared teams after tomorrow's games as I normally do around this time of season).  However, Cortland, Alfred, Norwich, Western New England, Husson, and Fisher have disappeared from the North's declared teams, leaving just 10 North declarations.

Of course, this could have been a clerical error, as Morrisville's affiliation changed back from "Empire 8" back to "NEAC" in the most recent listing.  However, Wesley appeared for the first time, while Bethany, FDU-Florham, and Westminster disappeared from the South.  There looks to be only three South teams that would qualify presently, as Stevenson should've also withdrawn after yesterday's announcement (but still appears as of tonight).

The drop may be due to the exposure of the new rules that occurred when the MAC/CC announcement was made.  Remember that the $3,000 ticket requirement for all schools would have affected all participants, not just far away schools.  The hotel price and the lack of a revenue split appears to also have turned the stomachs of the withdrawing schools, if I had to guess.

More on this after the games go final Saturday.

ECAC declarations are back to "normal" with new exceptions of MAC/CC etc. 

http://ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/Declared_Teams_11-6-15.pdf