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[lewdogg11]

First off, my post said nothing about anyone's schedule.  Someone's 'commitment' to the program and their schedules have nothing to do with this discussion.  This discussion was based on thoughts about particular coaching decisions, in this case, at SJF, as well as some teams' performances this year, not against Mt. Union, but maybe against the Utica's and Merchant Marine's of the world.  

Next, we are fans.  We can say whatever the he!! we want.  This is a posting board, and we are expressing OPINIONS.  Do you think AD's, or whomever, are really giving 2 craps what anyone here posts as their opinion of a current situation?  The answer is NO!  Do you think Theo Epstein would go and fire Francona because someone called WEEI radio and said that he should have pulled the pitcher early?  I sure as heck hope not.  

I think the people in charge place a little more importance on the future of 'people's livelihoods' and can make their own decisions without taking our posts on a website as gospel.  It's not like we're forming a militia that is going to go and overtake coaching staffs all over America.  Although that would be rather fun...Gro can act as William Wallace, and U89 can be Hamish Campbell....

So, with that being said, it is quite alright for us to express our feelings here.  This is our forum to do it.  And you know what, in a lot of the cases, the things posted here are correct.  And if certain people could remove themselves from their loyalty for two seconds, and step away from the rose colored glasses, they may actually be able to see some truth shining through.

nuff said



 

[Jonny Utah]

I agree with both of you.

It does get kind of tired though when the same people say the same negative things over and over again.


_{LD arms himself for the first RPI football militia meeting}

[Frank Rossi]

First off, my post said nothing about anyone's schedule.  Someone's 'commitment' to the program and their schedules have nothing to do with this discussion.  This discussion was based on thoughts about particular coaching decisions, in this case, at SJF, as well as some teams' perfromances this year, not against Mt. Union, but maybe against the Utica's and Merchant Marine's of the world.  

Upstate's entire post focused on the scheduling issue.  Many other posts have done the same thing, with a lot of whining about why the school scheduled such tough opponents, destining the team to losses.  Do some research on this one if you don't believe me.

Next, we are fans.  We can say whatever the he!! we want.  This is a posting board, and we are expressing OPINIONS.  Do you think AD's, or whomever, are really giving 2 craps what anyone here posts as their opinion of a current situation?  The answer is NO!  Do you think Theo Epstein would go and fire Francona because someone called WEEI radio and said that he should have pulled the pitcher early?  I sure as heck hope not.  

Actually, yes... Some do.  I'd be happy to give you a reference on this one in private.

I think the people in charge place a little more importance on the future of 'people's livelihoods' and can make their own decisions without taking our posts on a website as gospel.  It's not like we're forming a militia that is going to go and overtake coaching staffs all over America.  Although that would be rather fun...Gro can act as William Wallace, and U89 can be Hamish Campbell....

Players read this crap frequently.  They aren't playing this game for major contracts (with minor exceptions) or for major coverage.  My point is that perhaps we should err on the side of respectfulness before we go all ballistic on their gameplay or shake their own confidence in their coaching staff.  

There's something called the "Universal Maxim" that was put forth by Immanuel Kant that states you need to apply your action universally to evaluate whether or not your action would become self-defeating when performed on a universal basis.  I subscribe to that -- and for good reason.  If we all tore into Division III teams the way that SJF is getting torn into this season for a lower-than-expected winning season, then nobody would schedule better opposition in order to avoid the scrutiny that's being applied here.  It also would make players second guess whether they'd even want to play at this level.  Again, there are ways to accentuate the positives while discussing the negatives.  Balance is akin to respect in this case.

So, with that being said, it is quite alright for us to express our feelings here.  This is our forum to do it.  And you know what, in a lot of the cases, the things posted here are correct.  And if certain people could remove themselves from their loyalty for two seconds, and step away from the rose colored glasses, they may actually be able to see some truth shining through.

I've already shown you how the criticism in this situation is suspect right now.  You missed my main point, obviously, that some stepping back would allow people to see what might be happening in the case of SJF.  The problem is that there's plenty of inconclusiveness right now -- so nobody should sit here and act like they know what led to a somewhat disappointing 2008.  My point is that history sides with SJF currently.  Maybe I'm wrong.  However, I'm not going to take people out at the knees to get my points across.

nuff said

Fine

[Senor RedTackle]

LD..I am going to go first person here. I think you nake some valid arguments just as I think Frank raises some good points. While I agree that ADs don't (or shouldn't) give a crap about the content of these posts, I still believe that players and some coaches read them and take something from the "tone" of the messages. As you crrectly pointed out, speech is free here...for me, I'm not a fan of the caustic criticism of my own team in a board like this when we hide behind aliases. I know we disagree on this one but I do think that in the small, tight knit community of D3 ball, "style points" go a long way in the perception if "loyalty". I guess all I'm trying to say that you seem to think that words on these forums don't mean much to the people in the current sphere of a program...and I disagree.

Anyway, I still like Cheezits

[theoriginalupstate]

Remember something:  SJF was an extra point away from its third consecutive trip to the NCAAs this year.  Is that truly underperformance?  Is 6-4 (or 6-3) really worth condemning and criticizing the coaches and players to THIS degree?  The administration, coaches and even players are angst-ridden enough about their own performance -- they don't basque in these results.  They don't need fans to take pot-shots at them on a daily basis.  Their success buildup over the past decade should perhaps give the team a free pass for a year before Chicken Little runs around declaring that the sky is falling.

GOD i didnt want to get into again but here goes...

What changes even if they do make the NCAA's??

Making the NCAA does not, IMO, give them a pass for a season long struggle with offensive coaching, scheme and play calling....

My opinion would not change if the outcome of the AU game was different...

Im not backing down from this, they basically wasted a very talented roster this year because someone watched too many Timmy Tebow highlights on ESPN and thought "hey that would be a fun offense to run"...

Unless SJF gets some kids in from the inner city or down south this offense will be a failure again next year...

[dlippiel]

Guys to lighten things up we can always take it back to Curry or Wick ****ing white cheesits are amazing!

[Senor RedTackle]

"Inner city"?? You mean like Wildcats?

...Its the sport of kings, better than diamond rings

[Jonny Utah]

"Inner city"?? You mean like Wildcats?

...Its the sport of kings, better than diamond rings

_{Finch celebrates with Coach McGrath after choosing St. John Fisher over The University of Florida}

[theoriginalupstate]

Frank, I have no problem with their schedule.  However, I do have a problem with the decision to put install a new spread based offense with a new QB and no game changing RB's or QB's on the roster with that schedule...

They decided to go Timmy Tebow with no Timmy Tebow all season long...

Suffering through turnover after turnover all season long you'd think they'd change things up, but that didn't happen...

[Frank Rossi]

Remember something:  SJF was an extra point away from its third consecutive trip to the NCAAs this year.  Is that truly underperformance?  Is 6-4 (or 6-3) really worth condemning and criticizing the coaches and players to THIS degree?  The administration, coaches and even players are angst-ridden enough about their own performance -- they don't basque in these results.  They don't need fans to take pot-shots at them on a daily basis.  Their success buildup over the past decade should perhaps give the team a free pass for a year before Chicken Little runs around declaring that the sky is falling.

GOD i didnt want to get into again but here goes...

What changes even if they do make the NCAA's??

Making the NCAA does not, IMO, give them a pass for a season long struggle with offensive coaching, scheme and play calling....

My opinion would not change if the outcome of the AU game was different...

Im not backing down from this, they basically wasted a very talented roster this year because someone watched too many Timmy Tebow highlights on ESPN and thought "hey that would be a fun offense to run"...

Unless SJF gets some kids in from the inner city or down south this offense will be a failure again next year...

Having called SJF games during their most successful period and reviewing their rosters, such "Inner-City" and "Down South" players weren't what gained SJF success.  It was a pretty Upstate NY-centric roster if I remember correctly.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank, I have no problem with their schedule.  However, I do have a problem with the decision to put install a new spread based offense with a new QB and no game changing RB's or QB's on the roster with that schedule...

They decided to go Timmy Tebow with no Timmy Tebow all season long...

Suffering through turnover after turnover all season long you'd think they'd change things up, but that didn't happen...

Have you reached out to the staff to ask them for their reasons?

['gro]

Unless SJF gets some kids in from the inner city or down south this offense will be a failure again next year...

Yeah, those guys are good.


_{St. John Fisher holds open football tryouts in 2009}

[Jonny Utah]

Frank, I have no problem with their schedule.  However, I do have a problem with the decision to put install a new spread based offense with a new QB and no game changing RB's or QB's on the roster with that schedule...

They decided to go Timmy Tebow with no Timmy Tebow all season long...

Suffering through turnover after turnover all season long you'd think they'd change things up, but that didn't happen...

I can see changing things up, but if you dont have "game changing" QB or RB, wouldnt a spread offense be the perfect thing to run?

I mean, the spread is the new triple option/flex bone, where if you dont have the size or speed on offense, you can run this offensive and "outcoach" the other team by blocking 5-5.  And its a great offense if you do have the best talent (Florida)

I dont know how fast SJFs QB is (you obviously need a QB with some speed to run it) but maybe the coaches thought this was sort of a rebuilding year and/or couldnt run what they have been running with the players they had this year?

I do agree with you about the changing it up issue.  Many coaches have the  philosphy that the spread is to run it 100% of the time 100% no-huddle.  This system does work for many teams.  I like the way MUC did it.  They had a package where they ran some spread, but they had 3-4 other packages where they ran other things.  I think that is the way to go, and I think that is what you were looking for this year.

[theoriginalupstate]

Remember something:  SJF was an extra point away from its third consecutive trip to the NCAAs this year.  Is that truly underperformance?  Is 6-4 (or 6-3) really worth condemning and criticizing the coaches and players to THIS degree?  The administration, coaches and even players are angst-ridden enough about their own performance -- they don't basque in these results.  They don't need fans to take pot-shots at them on a daily basis.  Their success buildup over the past decade should perhaps give the team a free pass for a year before Chicken Little runs around declaring that the sky is falling.

GOD i didnt want to get into again but here goes...

What changes even if they do make the NCAA's??

Making the NCAA does not, IMO, give them a pass for a season long struggle with offensive coaching, scheme and play calling....

My opinion would not change if the outcome of the AU game was different...

Im not backing down from this, they basically wasted a very talented roster this year because someone watched too many Timmy Tebow highlights on ESPN and thought "hey that would be a fun offense to run"...

Unless SJF gets some kids in from the inner city or down south this offense will be a failure again next year...

Having called SJF games during their most successful period and reviewing their rosters, such "Inner-City" and "Down South" players weren't what gained SJF success.  It was a pretty Upstate NY-centric roster if I remember correctly.

Yeah I know, and yet they changed their offense to a speed offense that these kids do not have...

Im sorry but even Robby wouldnt be able to run in this offense...

Robby was the man running his off tackle zones and counters with the backside guard and tackle pulling...

How many times did we see this offense do that? I'd bet less than 10 times, not per game, all year we ran those plays that produced 1,000 yd rusher after 1,000 yd rusher...

They went from going from a denver broncos style of offense that took them deep into the playoffs to a florida gators/texas longhorns style of offense that doesnt fit...

[theoriginalupstate]

"Inner city"?? You mean like Wildcats?

...Its the sport of kings, better than diamond rings

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