WBB: NESCAC

[BruinFan]

I think the additional nuances to the timeouts taken in the NWC are the following:

A full time out taken prior to the under 12, eliminates or "burns" the first media timout.
A full time out taken between the 8 and 12 minute mark eliminates the under 8 media timeout.
30 second timeouts do not "burn" the media.

Full timeouts are 75 seconds, with the first horn warning coming at 60 seconds.
If the first timeout of each half is a 30, it is extended to a full timeout, but the team is only charged for a 30. (I don't get that one.)

Each team has 4 fulls and 2 30s.

NWC is using just two media timeouts a half, right?

Busy week, so finally a response to the question.
Correct, the NWC uses two media timeouts per half all season long.

[nescac1]

Williams up by one at the half.  Depauw is REALLY good.  Much quicker than Williams, absolutely relentless on both ends going after loose balls, rebounds, defending hard.  Williams shot pretty well (four threes), moved the ball very well, and used their size advantage inside to deny the numerous Depauw players driving into the lane (six blocks).  Unfortunately, Baecher picked up her second foul on a real ticky-tack call ( course Williams received the benefit of a few calls themselves, so hard to complain) and left the game with Williams up 8, at which point the Eph defense pretty much fell apart.  Williams has to do a better job on the glass (as expected, too many offensive rebounds for Depauw) and in avoiding careless turnovers (at least three were totally avoidable, and two led to breakaway baskets).  If they do that, and Rainer and Baecher stay out of foul trouble, they can win the game because their half-court defense had been dynamite and once they get bast Depauw's pressure on the outside, they can get good looks at the basket.  But it's easy to see why Depauw is number one and Williams really has its hands full ... 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I think the additional nuances to the timeouts taken in the NWC are the following:

A full time out taken prior to the under 12, eliminates or "burns" the first media timout.
A full time out taken between the 8 and 12 minute mark eliminates the under 8 media timeout.
30 second timeouts do not "burn" the media.

Full timeouts are 75 seconds, with the first horn warning coming at 60 seconds.
If the first timeout of each half is a 30, it is extended to a full timeout, but the team is only charged for a 30. (I don't get that one.)

Each team has 4 fulls and 2 30s.

NWC is using just two media timeouts a half, right?

Busy week, so finally a response to the question.
Correct, the NWC uses two media timeouts per half all season long.

OK... thanks. Your description wasn't adding up for me so I wanted to make sure I knew how many they were using first - now it makes more sense.

[nescac1]

Depauw pulling away ... same issues, Williams can't get the ball inside, some careless turnovers, Depauw is killing them off the glass.  The announcer is driving me nuts since she keeps acting surprised that Depauw is dominating the boards ... Depauw is a great rebounding team, and Williams, despite it's height, is not.  Williams is really doing all they can to hang in, but Depauw is just so much quicker and more athletic, and that is the difference. 

[nescac1]

Very good effort for the Ephs, losing by only three.  The key was the eight point run be Depauw late in the first half with Baecher sitting.  Williams when they got into the half court set was better, but Depauw more than made up for that with ton of steals and transition baskets, Williams just wasn't used to players with that type of quickness on defense.  Hopefully the Ephs can rebound from this and go out on a high note tomorrow vs. Amherst ... certainly not the typical consolation game, a lot more on the line than you'd expect for that sort of game as neither team will want to end the season with a loss to their arch-rival. 

[jumpshot]

Williams women represent themselves and Williams College well in a competitive game. Depauw fundamentally sound, athletic, really hustle, pass well, play defense, execute offensive system, good game plan ---in short, well coached, quick basketball players.

[amh63]

Nice to see all the posters from the Ephs on this board.  In any case I got the game that I wanted...maybe Frank U. too.  However, in the the lower bracket....at a time when the men's games are on. 
The remarks from the Amherst's Coach G.  speaks well for him...on the game.  He is proud of his team and their efforts.  He feels he let them down a bit....my interpretation.  The two shots by the same Whitewater player were special.  Coach G. remarked that it was as someone was guiding them in.
Me....more of a sore loser type.  The game, I feel, was not determined by the players on the floor for both teams.....both teams played hard and gave it all they had.  I will just point at the stats.....Amherst had more blocks, more steals, less TO, and both teams had about the same shooting % overall and on the foul line.  Rebounds were even and Amherst had double the assists.  The Warhawks had more than double the number of foul attempts!  Oh well, as in the men's game with Middlebury, if a buzzer beater or two beats Amherst, hats off to the Warhawks!
On the fourth game between the teams.....Go Jeffs.

[Roundball999]

Nice to see all the posters from the Ephs on this board.  In any case I got the game that I wanted...maybe Frank U. too.  However, in the the lower bracket....at a time when the men's games are on. 
The remarks from the Amherst's Coach G.  speaks well for him...on the game.  He is proud of his team and their efforts.  He feels he let them down a bit....my interpretation.  The two shots by the same Whitewater player were special.  Coach G. remarked that it was as someone was guiding them in.
Me....more of a sore loser type.  The game, I feel, was not determined by the players on the floor for both teams.....both teams played hard and gave it all they had.  I will just point at the stats.....Amherst had more blocks, more steals, less TO, and both teams had about the same shooting % overall and on the foul line.  Rebounds were even and Amherst had double the assists.  The Warhawks had more than double the number of foul attempts!  Oh well, as in the men's game with Middlebury, if a buzzer beater or two beats Amherst, hats off to the Warhawks!
On the fourth game between the teams.....Go Jeffs.

As a neutral observer, I didn't see anything to suggest the refs influenced the outcome.  Foul shot disparity by itself means nothing and can often be attributed to factors other than the refs.  For example I thought the Warhawk guards were much more aggressive driving to the hoop and drawing contact. Kumerow had an excellent variety of low post moves with her back to the basket, though she only had a couple more FT attempts than Robertson.  The Jeffs starters all played more than 41 minutes, a grand total of 8 minutes combined by subs Holness and Zwecker, fatigue usually shows up first by being a step slow on defense.

Congratulations to both teams for a hard fought battle that was decided by, in my opinion, a couple of miraculous shots not the refs.

[Maine 1]

I would tend to agree with Amh63--I thought that the officiating was questionable, and that some iffy calls kept UWW in the game early on in the second half, when they could not get a shot off to safe their lives. However, the bottom line in this game is that when you are up 12 with about two minutes to go, and you end up losing, you have only one place to look, and that is not at the referees.  Amherst did not stop the three (yes, they were tough shots, but the shooter was able to find some space to get the shot off), and did not execute on offense down the stretch.  So give UWW credit for pulling out a miracle win, and give Amherst credit for a great season.  Early on in the season I did not think this was an especially good Amherst team-no depth (as indicated by the fact that there was not one sub in the second half), and not a really good shooting team.  But there tenacious and consistent defense got them to the final four.

As far as Williams, they ran into a better team.

[amh63]

Maine 1....agree with your point wrt not preventing the three ball.  On one, Meg Robertson came to block one but was late getting to the player.
Roundball....good point with respect to fatigue point.  Did I say I was a neutral poster?  I will point out that you look at the stats that give you foul attempts per period.  Especially the first period when both teams are fresh.  Go even to the 2nd period.
On the comments relating to depth of teams, etc.....one sees that the Wiliams team used basically 6 players....their seniors.  Whitewater with their depth kept their starters on the floor quite long....their center was on the floor for 45 minutes.

[frank uible]

When in sport one's favorite team loses, and one knows that 99 44/100ths percent of the world believes that the officials' jobbing of the game caused the team to lose it, it serves one's character in the eyes of the world to take the high road and be silent about the jobbing.

[Roundball999]

Maine 1....agree with your point wrt not preventing the three ball.  On one, Meg Robertson came to block one but was late getting to the player.
Roundball....good point with respect to fatigue point.  Did I say I was a neutral poster?  I will point out that you look at the stats that give you foul attempts per period.  Especially the first period when both teams are fresh.  Go even to the 2nd period.
On the comments relating to depth of teams, etc.....one sees that the Wiliams team used basically 6 players....their seniors.  Whitewater with their depth kept their starters on the floor quite long....their center was on the floor for 45 minutes.

Kumerow was on the floor 45 minutes but no other Whitewater starter played more than 37 and three were in the 33-34 range including the overtime.  Every Amherst starter played more than 41.  All the Final Four teams are very good but its not coincidence to me that the two deepest teams are playing for the championship.

But to me the FT disparity was mainly due to Warhawks Thill, Merg and Reeves driving hard to the hoop with greater frequency.  Voight was the only Jeff guard really looking to drive and most often she was forced to dish or shoot a pull up rather than getting to the rim.  The contact at the rim is what was drawing many of the foul calls.

[7express]

Wow.  It is easy to pick nits from the couch, but up 12 with 3 minutes to play, you've got to win that game.  The Amherst women played well above expectations all season.  They should be very proud of their accomplishments.  I agree with the earlier poster.  Up three, seconds remain, foul the dribbler.

But again.  Congratulations ladies.  You had a great year that you should be proud of.

I was watching the second half, when they went up by 12 (54-42 I think it was) with 2:50 to play went upstairs to watch the Georgetown Syracuse game because I figured Amherst had it in the bag came back downstairs about 15 minutes later just to see how much Amherst won by and was absolutely stunned they were playing in overtime.

[7express]

And also, I think third place games are meaningless, but the Amherst/Williams 3rd place game this afternoon should be interesting.  No disrespect to Whitewater, but DePauw is clearly the better team tonight, so the 3rd place game might be even more interesting then the championship game.  Since Amherst has a younger team this year then last, and the game is against Williams, hopefully they show up to play, but would understand why if they came out flat.

[amh63]

Frank U.....advice on character ?  Interesting post and thanks anyway.

Speaking about character traits.  Once again, some person or persons is playing with my Karma points.  I care less about the points than the person who did it.  I post it here since I made a post wrt to the people in the strips that could not stay out of the game, IMO.  Anyway, I would like posters who did it to simply come out and state their action...Do even need to know why.  If they do, tells me about the person's character.
When I played BB on the inter city blacktops....it was normal to call out a person's play up front and then try to prove it on the court.  If a person was beat, he openly acknowledged it.  Respect, character and no hard feelings on both sides.
Hope to hear from somebody.
Agree with 7 Express post on the 4 PM game.  Didn't the MBB side drop it for an All-Star game?