South Region Rankings and Playoffs

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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Big Dog on February 28, 2009, 08:02:44 PM
Thanks for the post Ralph. Sad to see that 16 straight wins is not a criteria for being in. Maryville's win over Averett is reflective of the youth movement this Scots team had. In the past Maryville has been upperclassmen heavy and were early season road warriors. Once our freshman got acclimated this was a good team-NCAA worthy. I appreciate your post and will check out the criteria.
I emailed a big time, well-known, greatly admired, Scots fan that Averett's winning, combined with all of the losses in the South Region, makes for some interesting changes.

I think that Maryville might even sneak into the 8th slot of the regional rankings.

I need pabegg to do his most recent run.  (The GSAC competition does not help the Strength of Schedule numbers.)

Big Dog

Guilford, Randy Mac, Depauw and Roanoke, all of you should be staying home. Losing in your conference quarters illustrates your level TODAY in comparison to tournament ready teams. Those guys aren't playing in the Big East. Those teams needed to win one game to get in and they could not. Those four teams got what they deserved-a SEASON ENDING LOSS. Hard to believe we are saying sneak in when Maryville has won SIXTEEN straight.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Big Dog on February 28, 2009, 08:15:49 PM
Guilford, Randy Mac, Depauw and Roanoke, all of you should be staying home. Losing in your conference quarters illustrates your level TODAY in comparison to tournament ready teams. Those guys aren't playing in the Big East. Those teams needed to win one game to get in and they could not. Those four teams got what they deserved-a SEASON ENDING LOSS. Hard to believe we are saying sneak in when Maryville has won SIXTEEN straight.
The difference between D1 and D3 is that the last ten games is not used as a primary criteria in D3.

A game in November counts the same as a game in February.

Big Dog

Ralph, I coached in both the D-3 and D-1 tournaments, and I can tell you that teams that win sixteen straight are more prepared for the post season than a team that can't win in a conference quarterfinal. I mentioned the Big East only as a reference point in that the SCAC and ODAC aren't power conferences. Maryville has gone ON THE ROAD in the NCAA TOURNEY and beaten conference champions from both these leagues under the Lambert watch. A loss in November may count the same as a loss in February, but not to anyone who has ever had a young team that got better and better and won their last sixteen straight with freshman and sophomores. Guilford, Randy Mac, Depauw, Roanoke, had the easiest road into the tourney. They did not take care of business and no way should their season's be extended when they can't win a conference quarterfinal game. I may be a loss, but it says a great deal about a teams readiness and sense of urgency when they can't win a first round confreence tourney game. I'm sorry-those guys need to call Panama City and get a condo. Spring break for them started with a first round conference tourney loss.

Mr. Ypsi

Big Dog,

You may or may not be right in the abstract, but you are definitely wrong by d3 selection criteria.  Despite the potential for abuse, I'd like to see somewhat more 'subjectivity' in the selections, but the criteria are fairly specific.  When you win, by how much you win - these are irrelevant.

IMO DePauw and Roanoke are toast, Randy Mac is bubble, but Guilford is fairly safe for a C.  Though the way presumed AQs are falling, even the Quakers may get bumped by higher-rated upset victims.

Big Dog

Mr. Ypsi,

I agree. Depauw and Roanoke will be building sand castles. Mcmurray loses their slot by falling to Miss College. Randy Mac I agree is bubbling-while Guilford-if they are the best ODAC after the AQ, should get in. The criteria is fairly specific, but when coaches are involved subjectivity, at some point, and basketball knowledge, will come into play. To act like Southwestern might get in with a 7-8 conference record is absurd. If Southwestern wins the AQ, Trinity should join the Ballers Gone Wild Spring Break for non-NCAA tourney teams. Nice post.

Big Dog

Ron Boerger

Well, Big, since you think so lowly of Trinity, you'll be happy to know that your Maryville crew will have a chance to eliminate them in the first round this Thursday.   San Antonio is lovely this time of year.

Big Dog

Trinity is a great school-fine university. One of the nation's best. The Scots belonged in the dance just as much as Trinity. If you noticed my post, it said "If Southwestern wins the AQ," and of course they did not as they lost to the Centre. No way three SCAC teams deserved to dance-just infeasible as we both know Centre and Trinity are the best of that league-and they both are in. Maryville College has played Trinity before in the NCAA tourney, and traveling for the Scots is no big deal. Far better to be in San Antonio this time of year than in any other place MC could have landed. Look forward to being in San Antonio to see the Tigers for the first time since the Charlie Brock days. Thanks for your post.

Big Dog

Ralph Turner


Ralph Turner

South Region teams are in five pods.

Upper Right
Wheaton IL at UMHB winner to UT-Dallas.

Lower Right
Richard Stockton vs VWC at St Mary's MD;  winner plays St Mary's MD vs. Purchase winner.

RMC vs Cabrini at Albright.  Winner plays Albright vs Clark winner.

Lower Left

Guilford
hosts CNU. Winner plays winner of Maryville TN vs. JCU

EMU hosts Centre.  Winner plays Wilmingotn vs Lycoming.



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Ralph Turner

#71
From the Handbook

Selection Criteria.

Primary Criteria

The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
[See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.]
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
Note:
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/
selection process.  [Note Once ranked, always "ranked".]
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth
years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members
shall remain ineligible for rankings and selections.

Weighted Scale. For a minimum of two championship seasons (2009-10 and 2010-
11), a weighted scale will apply. Once the OWP and OOWP are calculated, they are
to be combined on a weighted scalre (e.g., 2/3 weight for OWP and 1/3 weight for
OOWP) and this combined number becomes the strength of schedule.

Home/Away Multiplier. A multiplier of 1.4 shall be added to the OWP for those
games played away from home. In addition, the same multiplier (1.4) shall be included
for those games played on the road for the OOWP. A multiplier of 1/0 (no positive
or negative effect) will be included in the OWP and OOWP for all neutral games. A
multiplier of 0.6 shall be included in the OWP and OOWP for all home games.



Regional rankings thru Week #3.

Rankings #1  February 2nd  (Thru games of Jan 30.)

South Region  (First appearance in Rankings is designated in Bold
1 Virginia Wesleyan 18-1 14-1
2 Randolph-Macon 17-3 15-3
3 Ferrum 18-2 16-2
4 Centre 15-3 13-3
5 Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-4 15-4
6 Texas-Dallas 14-5 13-4
7 Emory 14-4 14-4
8 East Texas Baptist 13-5 12-5


Rankings #2 February 9  (Thru games of Feb 6.)

South
1 Virginia Wesleyan 19-1 16-1
2 Randolph-Macon 19-3 17-3
3 Ferrum 19-2 16-2
4 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-4 17-4
5 Texas-Dallas 16-5 15-4
6 Emory 16-4 15-4
7 Centre 15-4 13-4
8 North Carolina Wesleyan 15-6 10-4


Rankings #3.  Feb. 16 (Thru games of Feb 13.)

South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 17-2 20-2
2 Randolph-Macon 18-4 20-4
3 Ferrum 18-3 21-3
4 Texas-Dallas 16-4 17-5
5 Emory 17-4 18-4
6 Centre 15-4 17-4
7 North Carolina Wesleyan 12-4 17-6
8 Eastern Mennonite 12-4 18-4

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

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Ralph Turner

#73
From the Handbook

Selection Criteria.

Primary Criteria

The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
[See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.]
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
Note:
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/
selection process.  [Note Once ranked, always "ranked".]
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth
years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members
shall remain ineligible for rankings and selections.

Weighted Scale. For a minimum of two championship seasons (2009-10 and 2010-
11), a weighted scale will apply. Once the OWP and OOWP are calculated, they are
to be combined on a weighted scalre (e.g., 2/3 weight for OWP and 1/3 weight for
OOWP) and this combined number becomes the strength of schedule.

Home/Away Multiplier. A multiplier of 1.4 shall be added to the OWP for those
games played away from home. In addition, the same multiplier (1.4) shall be included
for those games played on the road for the OOWP. A multiplier of 1/0 (no positive
or negative effect) will be included in the OWP and OOWP for all neutral games. A
multiplier of 0.6 shall be included in the OWP and OOWP for all home games.



Regional rankings thru Week #3.

Rankings #1  February 2nd  (Thru games of Jan 30.)

South Region  (First appearance in Rankings is designated in Bold
1 Virginia Wesleyan 18-1 14-1
2 Randolph-Macon 17-3 15-3
3 Ferrum 18-2 16-2
4 Centre 15-3 13-3
5 Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-4 15-4
6 Texas-Dallas 14-5 13-4
7 Emory 14-4 14-4
8 East Texas Baptist 13-5 12-5


Rankings #2 February 9  (Thru games of Feb 6.)

South
1 Virginia Wesleyan 19-1 16-1
2 Randolph-Macon 19-3 17-3
3 Ferrum 19-2 16-2
4 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-4 17-4
5 Texas-Dallas 16-5 15-4
6 Emory 16-4 15-4
7 Centre 15-4 13-4
8 North Carolina Wesleyan 15-6 10-4


Rankings #3.  Feb. 16 (Thru games of Feb 13.)

South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 17-2 20-2
2 Randolph-Macon 18-4 20-4
3 Ferrum 18-3 21-3
4 Texas-Dallas 16-4 17-5
5 Emory 17-4 18-4
6 Centre 15-4 17-4
7 North Carolina Wesleyan 12-4 17-6
8 Eastern Mennonite 12-4 18-4


Rankings #4 Through games of Feb. 20th.

South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 20-3 22-3                    ODAC
2 Randolph-Macon 20-4 21-4                      ODAC
3 Texas-Dallas 19-4 20-5                             ASC-East
4 Ferrum 18-4 21-4                                      USA South
5 Eastern Mennonite 15-4 21-4                   ODAC
6 North Carolina Wesleyan 14-4 19-6          USA South
7 Mary Hardin-Baylor 19-6 19-6                    ASC-West
8 Emory 18-5 19-5                                        UAA (Pool C)

(No new teams in the regional rankings.)


Ralph Turner

Rankings #1  February 2nd  (Thru games of Jan 30.)

South Region  (First appearance in Rankings is designated in Bold
1 Virginia Wesleyan 18-1 14-1
2 Randolph-Macon 17-3 15-3
3 Ferrum 18-2 16-2
4 Centre 15-3 13-3
5 Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-4 15-4
6 Texas-Dallas 14-5 13-4
7 Emory 14-4 14-4
8 East Texas Baptist 13-5 12-5


Rankings #2 February 9  (Thru games of Feb 6.)

South
1 Virginia Wesleyan 19-1 16-1
2 Randolph-Macon 19-3 17-3
3 Ferrum 19-2 16-2
4 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-4 17-4
5 Texas-Dallas 16-5 15-4
6 Emory 16-4 15-4
7 Centre 15-4 13-4
8 North Carolina Wesleyan 15-6 10-4


Rankings #3.  Feb. 16 (Thru games of Feb 13.)

South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 17-2 20-2
2 Randolph-Macon 18-4 20-4
3 Ferrum 18-3 21-3
4 Texas-Dallas 16-4 17-5
5 Emory 17-4 18-4
6 Centre 15-4 17-4
7 North Carolina Wesleyan 12-4 17-6
8 Eastern Mennonite 12-4 18-4


Rankings #4 Through games of Feb. 20th.

South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 20-3 22-3                    ODAC
2 Randolph-Macon 20-4 21-4                      ODAC
3 Texas-Dallas 19-4 20-5                             ASC-East
4 Ferrum 18-4 21-4                                      USA South
5 Eastern Mennonite 15-4 21-4                   ODAC
6 North Carolina Wesleyan 14-4 19-6          USA South
7 Mary Hardin-Baylor 19-6 19-6                    ASC-West
8 Emory 18-5 19-5                                        UAA (Pool C)

FINAL RANKINGS
South
1 Virginia Wesleyan 23-4 21-4
2 Randolph-Macon 24-4 23-4
3 McMurry 20-6 21-7
4 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-7 21-7
5 Texas-Dallas 20-5 21-6
6 Ferrum 20-5 23-5
7 Eastern Mennonite 16-5 22-5
8 North Carolina Wesleyan 16-4 21-6