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Quote from: WUH on February 06, 2010, 12:02:36 AM
Incidentally, this game included something I have never seen before (or maybe just never noticed): two of the three officials were women.  The officials did a very good job tonight, though I am not sure that the intentional foul was necessary.

Out in the Northwest Conference (Oregon and Washington), having at least 2 of the 3 officials be women is not unusual. Tonight at George Fox University, all 3 officials were women.

WUPHF

Quote from: BruinFan on February 06, 2010, 01:50:44 AM
Out in the Northwest Conference (Oregon and Washington), having at least 2 of the 3 officials be women is not unusual. Tonight at George Fox University, all 3 officials were women.

I go to almost all Washington University home games, plus a number of high school games, each year so I must have seen it before.  I have no long term memory when it comes to basketball.  Three female officials--I doubt that I have seen that before.

y_jack_lok

Quote from: WUH on February 06, 2010, 12:02:36 AM
The officials did a very good job tonight, though I am not sure that the intentional foul was necessary.

I would agree with that. From my perch in the upper deck it was definitely a hard foul (the Wash U player went to the floor) but I didn't have a good enough look at the Rochester player's body language and expressions to judge what the "intent" was. This does raise a question for me. Is the correct term when the official crosses his/her arms "intentional" foul or "flagrant" foul? We all know that there are lots of fouls that are intentional but not flagrant.

Wydown Blvd.

It is intentional. A flagrant foul results in ejection.

QuoteFrom the NCAA Rules Manual pg 128:

Two free throws for:
An intentional personal or flagrant personal foul and the ball awarded at a designated spot nearest to where the foul occurred.
(a) Any flagrant personal foul shall result in ejection of the offender.

pg 72

Art. 2. The following shall result in automatic ejection:
Rule 4  a. Committing a flagrant personal foul or flagrant technical foul

y_jack_lok

Thanks. I've been wondering about that for a long time.

Wydown Blvd.

No problem.

The big game on Sunday is obviously Rochester at Chicago. Anyone with thoughts or predictions?
Seems to be this is Chicago's last gasp at an NCAA bid (with a loss dropping them out of the NCAA picture). True?

deiscanton

#1236
Brandeis defeated Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh today, 59-50

Congrats to Jessica Chapin of Brandeis for setting a new Brandeis women's basketball single game scoring record today.

Chapin led all Brandeis scorers with 36 points, breaking the previous mark of 34 pts by 2.  (Brandeis's previous single-game scoring record of 34 pts was set by Pam Vaughan of the Brandeis class of 1990, who held that record for approx. 20 years.)

Chapin's previous career best was a 33 pt scoring effort against Babson earlier this season.

As far as the UAA single game scoring record is concerned, Chapin fell 3 pts shy of tying it today.  That mark is still held by Wash U alum Kelly Manning, who scored 39 points in a UAA conference game vs Chicago on Feb. 29, 2006.

Jessica Chapin also made 7 3's today-- another new Brandeis single game program record.  Chapin hit 7 of 9 from 3 pt land today.

The 7 3's made by Jessica Chapin today ties with Emory alum Mandy Jackson on the UAA list, who made 7 of 19 from 3 pt range in a UAA game against Carnegie Mellon in 1994-- Chapin fell 3 made 3's short of tying the UAA single game record for 3's made, which was set by Wash U alum Laura Crowley in a UAA game against Carnegie Mellon in 2003.  Crowley hit 10 of 14 from 3 pt land in that contest.

WUPHF

It looks like we have our answer as Chicago takes down Rochester by nine at home, 73-64.  The win keeps Chicago within striking distance of the Bears with common opponents for the next two weeks and a rematch in Chicago for the last game of the season.  Brandeis is two games back while Rochester and New York are three.

New York beat Case Western by two on the road.

The Bears had an easy go of it this afternoon against Emory.  The 61-47 final score does not at all point to how lopsided this game really was.  The Eagles did not shoot well today, though I doubt that the Bears were happy with their offensive performance.  Overall, probably the least exciting game in the UAA today.

deiscanton

#1238
This weekend, Wash U and Chicago travel to Brandeis and NYU.

On Hoopsville today, I chatted with Dave McHugh, and Dave suggested the hypothetical of a 12-2 tie between Chicago and Wash U for the UAA crown, and wondered how the tie would break in this scenario.

In this scenario, Wash U and Chicago sweep out this weekend on the road, Wash U and Chicago would have swept Case and Carnegie Mellon at home the following weekend, and then Chicago would have defeated Wash U at the Ratner Center on the final day.

Scenario:  Wash U and Chicago are UAA co-champions at 12-2 in the UAA-- two way tie.

Pool A bid would have to be determined by coin flip-- no other tie-breakers work in this scenario.

First tie-breaker is head to head:  Wash U and Chicago would have split the head-to-head 1-1.

Second tie-breaker:  Results against teams in the UAA standings in descending order from 3rd place down until the tie is broken.

Wash U and Chicago each split with Rochester 1-1 and would have swept all other UAA teams 2-0.  Second tie-breaker would not work.

Third tie-breaker:  Better road conference record among the co-champions.  

Wash U and Chicago would each have gone 5-2 in road UAA play.  Tie not broken.

Final tie-breaker:  Coin flip conducted by UAA Executive Secretary Dick Rasmussen.

The last time a coin flip determined the automatic bid was in the 2000-2001 season..  Wash U and NYU had to go to a coin flip with NYU winning the Pool A bid on the coin toss and Wash U settling for a Pool C and their fourth straight national championship.

That tie was Wash U and NYU as co-champions with a 14-1 UAA record.  Johns Hopkins (playing their final season in the UAA) could not break a tie as JHU did not play a double round robin in the UAA schedule.  Wash U and NYU each split 1-1 (Each winning on their home floor-- Dari Magyar hitting the "Miracle in Manhattan" buzzer beater shot in the match at NYU) and swept all other UAA teams in conference play.

Full tie-breaking procedures can be found here, for reference:

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Administrative/Code_of_Conduct/Basketball.pdf

WUPHF

Quote from: deiscanton on February 11, 2010, 10:26:55 PM
This weekend, Wash U and Chicago travel to Brandeis and NYU.

Thanks for posting this.  I was thinking about this issue earlier and thinking that maybe they looked at points differentials and such.  This is very interesting.

Quick question: do you know why Johns Hopkins left the UAA?

y_jack_lok

#1240
KSDK Channel 5 in St. Louis did a spot on Wash U's Jamie McFarlin. Thanks to Rene Knott and Frank Cusamno.

http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.aspx?aid=120092&storyid=195629#/Washington+University%27s+Jaime+McFarlin/65823500001

The video may take a little while to come up. After I posted it the first time I went to the post and clicked on the link. It took at least a minute for the video to actually begin playing. Be patient.

You might have better luck accessing it through the Wash U Athletics website:
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/

deiscanton

#1241
I don't know if this is the exact answer on the test, but there are two reasons that I can think of as to why Johns Hopkins left the UAA:

(1)  Johns Hopkins never played a double round-robin in any UAA sport, including basketball, while all of the other UAA schools were going to double round-robin in basketball.  Johns Hopkins actually belonged to two conferences in the 1990s, the UAA and the Centennial, but always used Centennial Conference play to determine their NCAA eligiblilty, with the UAA serving as a secondary non-conference schedule for them.  (Hence, JHU playing each UAA school once in basketball and other sports.)  The rest of the UAA did not care for that, and insisted that Johns Hopkins choose which conference to belong to-- the JHU athletics program decided that the Centennial Conference was always their true home conference.

Brandeis belonged to both the New England Women's Eight (Brandeis was a charter member of the NEW8) and the UAA at the time of the conference's founding in 1986-87 (for women's sports-- Brandeis men competed as an independent school before the UAA was founded).  The Brandeis women's program left the New England Women's Eight in the mid 1990s when the UAA got an automatic bid to the NCAAs in most DIII sports.  (A few years later, the NEW8 would go co-ed and become NEWMAC.)

Case belonged to the North Coast Athletic Conference before the UAA was founded, and I believe that Carnegie Mellon belonged to the Presidents Athletic Conference before the UAA was founded (and had dual memberships in each before the mid 1990s,) but I believe that those programs chose the UAA as their primary conference affiliation in the mid 1990s around the same time that Brandeis left the NEW8.

(2)-- (Probably not the reason)-- Johns Hopkins played lacrosse at the Division I level and wanted to keep that sport going.  (The reason why I'm not sure that is a true reason is that NYU and Brandeis have fencing programs that compete at a non-scholarship "Division I" level-- the fencing programs regularly go up against Duke, Penn State, Brown, Harvard, and Columbia among other teams as opponents.)

WUPHF

Quote from: deiscanton on February 12, 2010, 06:42:55 AM
I don't know if this is the exact answer on the test, but there are two reasons that I can think of as to why Johns Hopkis left the UAA:

Thanks for the detailed response.

On a related note, I noticed in another conference thread talk related to college affordability and how that might affect recruiting.  It does seem that several of the UAA schools, if not all, are committed to increasing need-based aid, so this may not be as significant a problem.  On the other hand, most Doctoral Extensive institutions have had to decrease endowment spending in order to adjust to the new economic environment.  While I have no first-hand knowledge of UAA athletic department funding, it seems likely that most will have to do more with less money or maybe even as much with quite a lot less money.

WUPHF

Washington University and Chicago win tonight against Brandeis and New York respectively.  Carnegie Mellon took down Emory in overtime, 64-60.  And, Rochester rebounds, so to speak, from last week to defeat Case Western 72-56.

Washington University wins 50-37 in much the same way they have all season: balanced scoring and loads of defense.  Again, the Bears won the battle of the boards.  Not the best offensive effort of the season, but enough to get things done.

The Bears (9-1) retain the lead in the UAA, with Chicago (8-2) one game back.  Brandeis and Rochester (6-4) are tied for the moment, three games back, while New York is fourth at 5-5.

WUPHF

A very slow start for Washington University and New York.  The Bears take a one point lead in to the locker room.  Both teams are shooting less than 30 percent.  Good defense on both sides.