University Athletic Association

[deiscanton]

Brandeis 86,  Emmanuel 64

For Brandeis  

#41 Lauren Orlando-- 27 points.  Emmanuel had no answer for her.

#10 Jaime Capra-- 15 pts., 14 rebounds (career high in rebounds category).

#23 Jessica Chapin-- 10 pts.

Brandeis committed 21 turnovers, but Emmanuel was not able to capitalize on them.

Brandeis made 28 of 40 at the charity stripe. (70%).

A very good win for Brandeis that will stop the freefall and stabilize the situation.  

The next goal for Brandeis is to try to get to the NYU game with just that 1 in-region loss against Tufts.  The slate of games vs. Babson, WPI, Wheaton (MA), and Williams in December, with Husson and Simmons in January, involve matchups that should work to Brandeis's advantage.  Therefore, I expect the Judges to win each one of the remaining non-conference games.

[ILive4This]

If chicago looses this big game, will we still be hearing from negative nancy?  I'm sorry I meant newton nancy, I just get so confused since she clearly is no longer from newton the way she trash talks the area and its teams.

[newtonnancy]

Hey,

Ilive4 this, get a grip.

I do not trash the "area"

I do at times trash Brandeis, because I watched them for years and years and am not a fan of the coach or the fact that she LOVES shooters and has limited knowledge of the game. Prior to 2002 I think she had 9 plus losing seasons IN A ROW (it may be 11 or 12 I lost count) and the graduating class of 2002 had a kid (2 really) who never saw a shot she didn't like and for the 4 year tenure of that class the team was under .500 in wins and losses but Simon has the audacity to RETIRE 2 of those seniors numbers.

Then, I watch Simon get "lucky" with getting some players (she must have learned how to recruit but I am told it was the addition of Assistant Coach Ewing that made the difference) and the kids play great and do wonderful things, WIN. Then all of a sudden after taking 20 years  (or there about) to win 200 games (remember shes won 100 the last 5 years and still doesn't have 300) SHE'S labled a GENIUS...Give Me A Break .

Now the past couple of years Brandeis' athletic admissions requirements are lowered and I am told, Brandeis gave significantly more money to certain incoming freshman then they were offered by other UAA schools, when in fact that should not be the case if it is all NEED BASED.

So lets see, Genius, lower admission requirements, more aid and I still have to watch and hear about kids who think they are better then they are shoot 3-14 and be pampered.

You know what I Live, I HOPE Chicago kicks my schools butt, because you just riled me up.

Go vote for Hilary.....but please tell me one accomplishment...just one that she has that qualifies her to be president and root, root root for your team.

[ILive4This]

Wow, its great to see a knowledgeable poster talk about the Brandeis Athletic department. To say that Brandeis has lower admissions standards for athletes than for the rest of the population is true, but this can be said for every single school in the country, including the rest of the UAA, the nescac, and yes the precious IVY league.

I am not going to talk about whether i think Carol is a good coach or not, that is for her players to decide, and in my opinion only her players (and maybe by extension their parents). The requirement for admission at Brandeis have become tougher, as have those for the athletes. What I think the real reason for the turn around in the Women's bball team, is the same reason the rest of the athletics department has seen a bit of an upswing in the past 4-5 years - a new athletic director.

This has allowed for more funds, which leads to better recruiting and therefore more wins/success. This has come on the heels of a general consensus from the University and its lead administrators, that Athletics give back to a university, add a little something to the campus, and therefore a focus was developed to improve the program.

Brandeis' athletic hey-day is still the late 70's and early 80's, however with 2 ECAC title, and 2 NCAA appearances for womens bball, 1 NCAA appearance for the men, back to back ECAC titles for VBALL, one for womens soccer and one for mens soccer in the past 2 years, and being named ECAC institution of the year for 2006-2007, I would say that the program as a whole is doing quite well even with your bashing.

I have absolutely nothing against Chicago, as an institution or its athletic teams, but you need to get a grip if you think standards are not lower for athletes there as well...and come on a team that puts up the three that much has an affinity for shooters as well.

[newtonnancy]

Well, you may be right with regard to a new AD, but I don't think you want to begin comparing the athletic requirements of Brandeis with those of Chicago, Emory or CMU. Moreover, while you make a statement that the admission standards have gone "up" for not only the entire student body but also for the athletic department at Brandeis, you are wrong, I can assure you that both basketball teams for example recently received "exemptions" and in fact the athletic department standards have been losened.

Granted that may have been needed to compete with Wash U and NYU but is goes totally against the spriti of the UAA.

Frankly, there have been student that have gained admission and play hoops over the past 3 years who 6-7-8 years ago couldn't come close to getting into Brandeis, and to what end?

Hey, the Republican Debate this evening had some meat to it, you should have watched.

[ILive4This]

I am curious how you received your inside information because it is overwhelmingly accurate.

[newtonnancy]

you are wrong, my friend.

[ILive4This]

I will concede for the sake of this board, because this is not the direction of conversation that should be discussed and only for this reason.

[newtonnancy]

Ok, lets move on, but I don't know how or why nobody ever wants to touch the academic and financial requirements with regard to the UAA. The UAA was formed and prides itself on certain principals, see below, yet it is always an out of bounds discussion when brought up here;

Members of the UAA share the belief that academic excellence and athletic excellence are not mutually exclusive. Implicit in this belief are several sets of assumptions. The first is that the academic enterprise is the primary element. Student-athletes are just that - students first and athletes second.
The second set of assumptions has to do with athletic excellence. Athletic excellence is not to be confused with a win-at-all-costs attitude. It properly relates to the caliber of experience offered to students who participate in intercollegiate athletics. Athletic teams should have the benefit of qualified coaching - capable individuals chosen for professional competence and commitment to putting the welfare of the student first. They should play and practice in first-rate facilities at reasonable times. Their equipment should be safe, of high quality, and conducive to the best performance possible. A consistent and challenging level of athletic competition should be provided to both women and men.

The final assumptions concern what might be termed a proper athletic emphasis. Athletic programs are extracurricular activities conducted for students and should be given consideration similar to that accorded other such institutionally sponsored activities. They should not only complement the academic experience, but should also reflect the quality of the academic environment within which they exist. Division III is an approach to athletics - not a synonym for third-rate. The University Athletic Association sponsors competition in 22 sports - twelve sports for men and ten sports for women - including football, soccer, cross country, volleyball, basketball, fencing, wrestling, swimming and diving, indoor track and field, baseball, softball, outdoor track and field, tennis, and golf.

[newtonnancy]

UAA Home Page

Philosophy Statement

The following statement of philosophy outlined the conceptual framework of the University Athletic Association at the time of its formation in June of 1986 and remains the cornerstone of its mission today.

"For some time, there has been a growing concern among many college administrators over the direction of college athletics. There is a need for a collective public statement as to what college athletics can be - indeed, what college athletics is in the majority of colleges and universities today. The institutions of the University Athletic Association (UAA) believe the time has come to make the strongest possible statement that intercollegiate athletics have a proper role in our colleges and universities, that this role must subsume the athletic enterprise to the academic missions of institutions of higher education and that standards of moral and ethical behavior in the conduct of intercollegiate athletics must be unequivocally articulated and followed. By their association, the institutions of the UAA are committed to act in concert to reaffirm these beliefs.
The nine members of the UAA are Brandeis University · Boston; Carnegie Mellon University · Pittsburgh; Case Western Reserve University · Cleveland; Emory University · Atlanta; Johns Hopkins University · Baltimore; New York University; the University of Chicago; the University of Rochester; and Washington University in St. Louis.

The participants in this association are private, research institutions in major metropolitan areas, who are committed to the NCAA Division III philosophy. They are similar institutions in many ways. They are research universities with several undergraduate programs and divisions as well as graduate and professional programs. Their academic programs are among the best in the country. Their undergraduate populations are also similar.

Although these institutions do not share a common history or saga, they do share a somewhat similar pattern in their historical development. In their beginnings, they rose from unique educational missions peculiar in many ways to the needs of their local metropolitan areas and founding constituencies. During their early years, they developed reputations in their regions as respected institutions, and more recently, they have gained greater national prominence.

Over the last few years, these schools have also shown a greater commitment to raising the quality of undergraduate life on the campuses to a level comparable to the quality of the academic experiences available to their students.
UAA members also share the belief that academic excellence and athletic excellence are not mutually exclusive. Implicit in this belief are several sets of assumptions. The first is that the academic enterprise is the primary element. Student-athletes are just that - students first and athletes second. In practice, this means that institutions will not admit athletes with standards separate from the standards for the aggregate pool of applicants. Similarly, institutional policies regarding financial aid, academic progress, student services and the like for athletes will be reflective of policies for all students.

The second set of assumptions has to do with athletic excellence. Athletic excellence is not to be confused with a win-at-all-costs attitude, but properly relates to the caliber of experience offered to students who participate in intercollegiate athletics. Athletic teams should have the benefit of qualified coaching - capable individuals chosen for professional competence and commitment to putting the welfare of the student first. They should play and practice in first-rate facilities at reasonable times. Their equipment should be safe, of high quality, and conducive to the best performance possible. A consistent and challenging level of athletic competition should be provided for both men and women.

The final assumptions concern what might be termed a proper athletic emphasis. Athletic programs are not considered income centers, nor are they public entertainment. They are extracurricular activities for students and should be given consideration similar to other such institutionally sponsored activities. Their quality should complement the academic experience. Their quality should reflect the quality of the academic environment within which they exist. Division III is an approach to athletics - not a synonym for third-rate.

The members of the University Athletic Association believe that the UAA can become a focal point for improving morale and a sense of community among students, faculty, staff, alumni and others. The support directed to the student-athletes in their endeavors, while central to this effort, can benefit all students, particularly if one of its driving forces is the desire to improve the quality of student life in all its aspects.

The University Athletic Association is a statement of what college athletics can and should be. The provision of a quality college athletic experience is worth the expense required of an institution. It is worthwhile first because it benefits the student-athletes, but also because it benefits the entire campus community and, in turn, the institution itself. Further, the success of college athletics is wholly dependent upon institutional integrity and the ability of institutions to complete the full integration athletics into the academic fabric of higher education."

[senatorfrost]

 Nancy-I guess we have been talking to the same 'little birdies.' Over the past 4-5 years I have spoken to 4-5 of them and they all twitter the same tune.

[newtonnancy]

Senator, I think I Live drank the Cool Aid....

I know from source that are very close to the situation that specifically with the bball program, there are "student-Athletes" that have received admission at Brandeis when other UAA schools could NOT get them in and also others where Brandeis provided much more aid then other UAA schools. Aid is aid, its hard to fathom two UAA schools coming up with $12,000 in aid and Brandeis coming up with $22,000 for the same kid.

I just hate the holier then thou attitude. I don't care if Brandeeis brings someone in that is below standard, in fact I wish every kid in America could get an education maybe a step higher then they would if they didn't play ball, I think thats a good thing providing the student does the work and graudates.

What I have trouble with is the BS that things are not relaxed and then those that bring it up or question it are the ones subjected to criticism. I look at kids from Emory and Chicago for example and compare majors with those at Brandeis and I don't know, maybe I am crazy but Biology vs American Studies, Physics vs Women's Studies seems a bit off to me.

Again, its great anytime a kid can get the best education possible and I don't even have a big problem with "enabling it", but don't be a hypocrite about it.

MAN UP and deal with it.

[newtonnancy]

Looks like the Northeast Region is a wide open affair this year.....

[newtonnancy]

THIS IS ONE SERIOUS SAT LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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## Player                       FG FGA FG FGA FT FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S   MIN
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25 McEntee, Jessica.... f  9 18      0  0     20 21  8   11  19   4   38  2  5    1    0  37

[atn alum]

<<THIS IS ONE SERIOUS SAT LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!>


Yes, I'd say it's the equivalent of a 1,400+ on the SATs

That should get you into almost any d3 school, right?



sorry, trying to lighten mood