University Athletic Association

[nobody]

That is a serious stat line, but who were they playing and how do the officials send 1 kid to the line that many times?

[deiscanton]

That stat line was from yesterday's NYU home game vs. SUNY-New Paltz.

The box score can be found at:

http://www.nyu.edu/athletics/teams/basketball/w/stats/854

The officials called this game very tightly, and SUNY-New Paltz must have played an Emmanuel-style game against NYU, from what I can tell of the box score.   However, SUNY-New Paltz was not able to completely capitalize on the 18 NYU turnovers, 10 of which were SUNY-New Paltz steals, while NYU capitalized on SUNY-New Paltz's 14 turnovers.  Still, NYU got challenged, and the Violets won the challenge by a score of 87-82.

35 fouls were called on SUNY-New Paltz vs. 23 fouls called against NYU.

NYU made 41 of 52 from the charity stripe yesterday.

[David Collinge]

Bad news and possibly more bad news for Wash U. today.  First, the bad news: they lost at Capital today 66-58.  This was a good, intense game throughout, with Wash U. holding leads of 2-8 for most of the first 30 minutes or so.  Capital was only able to stay in touch in the first half by draining trey after trey (7 in all), with Wash U. holding a 5 point halftime lead.  In the second half, Cap eschewed the long bomb and effectively worked the ball inside on nearly every possession, while holding the Bears to just 32% shooting, and that was the winning recipe.  The Bears didn't help themselves at the line, hitting just 3 of 6 in the second half (while Capital was draining 11 of 16, the discrepancy due to Cap's much stronger inside game) and missing both ends of a critical two-shot foul in the waning moments. 

The worse news, potentially, is that leading scorer and rebounder Jaimie McFarlin went down with an apparent left knee injury trying to chase down a Cap breakaway in the last two minutes.  She was down in agony for several minutes, then helped slowly off the court and treated on the bench.  When she was helped out of the gym after the game, with a large icepack on her knee, she was unable to put any weight on her left leg.  Here's hoping that she's not hurt as badly as it looked.

[nyufan]

The officials called this game very tightly, and SUNY-New Paltz must have played an Emmanuel-style game against NYU, from what I can tell of the box score.

As an observer, watching a game that had 58 fouls was excruciating. When you say the officials called it very tightly, should I assume this is more of a norm in UAA basketball? I can't imagine what that does to each of the team's style of play- defense has to back down... Also, when you say an Emmanual style game, what do you mean?

[deiscanton]

To NYUfan:

Emmanuel College of Boston, MA tends to run a full court press style for the entire game.  The game depends on having very athletic and quick guards to put pressure on the ball for the entire 40 minutes, with tall and strong posts available to help with the defense and also to block shots.  The game is essentially one of "press, run, and rebound", and also depends on causing the other team to commit a high number of turnovers, mostly by steals and other forced turnovers,  and then scoring off those turnovers.  As long as your opponent turns over the ball 20 or more times, and you limit your turnovers to 20 or less, you tend to stand a good chance of winning.  The game also depends on the number of FGAs that you attempt to reach 75 or more, because you will get a lot of offensive rebounds to help you out when you are not shooting over 40%.  As long as you have a high number of FGAs, your team will tend to average over 80 points per game, even if your leading scorer averages only 12 points per game-- because you will have a deep bench on your side.

Many years ago, Nolan Richardson ran this with the Arkansas men's basketball team.  The style was called "40 minutes of hell" when Arkansas ran it.

In the south, Oglethorpe University is also known to run this style of game.  (I learned of this when I watched DePauw beat Emmanuel in the sweet 16 last season in Boston.)  However, as I am a native of the Boston area, I tend to call this style "the Emmanuel style", because in the 2000-2001 season, Emmanuel used this style of game to reach the DIII women's final four in Danbury, CT, most notably by beating NYU at the Coles Center in the Elite 8 when NYU was ranked #1 on the ESPN/USA Today/WBCA poll, and #2 by d3hoops.com.  Emmanuel still runs this game today.

As for the officiating, the home team in UAA games tends to be more familiar with the style of calls the refs in that area make.  It is up to the visiting team to adjust to the officiating style-- as the style of calls tends to vary from region to region.

[deiscanton]

I also noticed that a lot of fouls were called on New Paltz when NYU was on fast break situations.  It may have been better for New Paltz to simply let NYU score the 2 points off the layup in these situations rather then commit a foul in these situations and give up 3 or 4 points to NYU.  Easier said then done, however....

[nyufan]

Thanks, Deis. I know of a high school in CT which ran that offense- Guilford High School under the coaching of Jim Rooney. They won the state championship for several years running with it. I remember them being referred to as a swarm of bees... as if there were 10 players on the opposing team- that is, if you were the unlucky player with the ball.

[newtonnancy]

WOW...

I just read the womens's bball articles in the Brandeis Justice newspaper and things must be bad, there were more excuses in those articles then I have ever heard by any UAA team........Last year, Wash U loses starting PG for season and they didn't make that big a deal, but we  the laundry list of excuses (btw everyone who started the season is still playing so there is nothing serious at least) made by the  players is interesting.

[ILive4This]

First off the Justice, especially its Sports section is not known for its amazing journalism, so I would not take anything you read other than the score (and sometimes that is even wrong) to heart. However there are a few injuries although like you said nothing that has caused anyone to not dress like on the Men's side. Also I agree with you that these injuries are most likely not the cause for the early home losses.

[newtonnancy]

checking out Brandeis Live stats, in quite a tussel early with WPI...down 14-8 with 11 minutes left in 1st half....Capra throwing up a goose egg so far

[ILive4This]

I was having trouble with the live stats system for away games as well. On the men's side Clark's showed 0-0 all game...fairly frustrating.

[David Collinge]

Wash U. got wiped out at McKendree tonight, 76-49.  The radio crew, who seemed to be rooting for both teams (so I don't know with whom they are affiliated), seemed to think that the absence of Jaimie McFarlin was huge, even pivotal, in the outcome.

[newtonnancy]

Wow
that will drop Wash U out of top 25, wonder how long it has been since that has happened.

Also, bodes well for the other teams in UAA with Wash U  and Brandeis struggling could an upstart like Emory who seems to be much improved be a factor or even Case. I am not convinced that NYU is allit is cracked up to be, if you have to play your STAR Center for 40 minutes in a blow out win (20+ points) against a SUNY team then I have to question the overall team ability.

I am looking at Chicago to win the UAA followed by NYU, Rochester, Wash U then Emory and Brandeis.

Maybe college hoops will look like college football and we will have upset city this year

[y_jack_lok]

I listened to much of the 2nd half of the Wash U-McKendree game. As noted by David Collinge, the announcers did not appear to have any bias toward one school or the other. At least one of them clearly has connections to both schools, attending one and now working for the other. In fact, they talked so much about those connections to the schools that they really weren't describing the game very well.

Without Jamie McFarlin Coach Fahey probably has her toughest coaching challenge in a long time. But we know she is a great coach, so I am reluctant to pronounce Wash U out of the UAA race.

[David Collinge]

Wow
that will drop Wash U out of top 25, wonder how long it has been since that has happened.

Not that long, perhaps surprisingly.  They've only been in the last 9 consecutive polls.  They were in the preseason top 25 last year (#12) but fell out of the poll on the heels of a 1-3 start.  They didn't regain the top 25 until week 9.  That 1-3 start that knocked them out of the poll, however, ended a 110-week ranking streak that dated back to the birth of the d3hoops.com poll in 1999.