University Athletic Association

mck99 · January 17, 2012, 04:28:07 PM

Mid-season Interview with Washington University head women's basketball coach Nancy Fahey - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYaxytpaoTc

newtonnancy · January 20, 2012, 07:29:49 PM

wow watching the Wash U-Brandeis game. Is that Brandeis' game again, back to hoisting threes and praying. Ugly?

newtonnancy · January 20, 2012, 07:37:47 PM

Well, I spoke to soon. pciked it up with better shots and working ball in much better

jaybird44 · January 21, 2012, 12:40:24 PM

Brandeis had an early 5-0 lead and seemed to be able to score inside, but it got away from that focus in the middle of the first half. Wash-U then turned the tables for a 10-0 run that turned a 1-point deficit into a 9-point lead late in the first half. The depth of Wash-U's bench may have worn down the Judges: 34-17 edge in points, and the Bears also enjoyed a 27-7 edge in points off of turnovers.

Wydown Blvd. · January 22, 2012, 05:00:49 PM

Bears win via buzzer beating putback by Monahan. 51-49 over NYU. Ugly game... Each team had ~11 turnovers at the half. NYU almost pulls off a huge upset.

hopefan · January 23, 2012, 04:08:08 AM

Wydown... I saw the tape of the end of the game... simply not right..... Wash U officials at table or on the bench should have helped the 3 officials on the floor... Wash U should consider that an embarrassment to accept the win.... reminds me of the commercial where the player says, it went off my hand coach, the ball goes to the other team... SOMEONE should have said the ball didn't hit the rim, it goes to NYU.... Play OT and let the winner be justified....

Note I've watched the tape several times... the shot from outside clearly misses EVERYTHING, when 23 catches the ball underneath, the red shot clock light has already illuminated the backboard.. in fact the light has gone off BEFORE 23 catches the ball .... 23 flips it up and the ball hits the rim, then the shot clock buzzer goes off, at least a full second after the light....45 rebounds and puts it up at the final buzzer..... the problem is the shot clock buzzer went off WAY LATE.... HONESTY, SPORTSMANSHIP... had I stayed for the ladies game (I was at the Men's game) I would have been very vocal about doing it right.... This was a correctible error, if not by the rules, by FAIRNESS to both teams.....

All right, now someone tell me how I messed this up... I usually do... but don't tell me the buzzer is what counts, otherwise, why the illumination of the backboard at all?

7express · January 23, 2012, 11:17:15 AM

That's what happens in D-3 with no replay, you have 3 zebra's making a judgemental call when there's probably not 1 official looking at both the player, the ball, and the clock all at the same time.
Western earlier this year lost a buzzer beater when Jen Mocanu of MSM hit a runner in the lane at the buzzer. It was clearly in her hand with 0:00 on the clock, but since there's no replay capability, and probably not 1 official was looking at the clock AND the ball, they had to make a judgemental call which went in favor of MSM.
With all these games being streamed on the internet, and the advances in modern technology, there's no excuse why there can't be replay throughtout all 3 NCAA divisions as well as NAIA, USCAA & NJCAA whether the game is on a TV station or not. Now I didn't watch the game, and this probably and likely won't happen, but what if NYU ends up finishing 1 game behind the UAA winner, and this game was the reason their 1 back??

gordonmann · January 23, 2012, 12:14:41 PM

The weird thing is, there's an official right on the baseline according to the video. He can see the player and, unless he has bad peripheral vision, should be able to see the light on the backboard. You can also hear the some kind of buzzer when the light flashes red, before the game clock buzzer sounds.

http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2011-12/contrib/20120122q0cvj4

Pat Coleman · January 23, 2012, 12:32:58 PM

Quote from: hopefan on January 23, 2012, 04:08:08 AM
Wydown... I saw the tape of the end of the game... simply not right..... Wash U officials at table or on the bench should have helped the 3 officials on the floor... Wash U should consider that an embarrassment to accept the win.... reminds me of the commercial where the player says, it went off my hand coach, the ball goes to the other team... SOMEONE should have said the ball didn't hit the rim, it goes to NYU.... Play OT and let the winner be justified....

Note I've watched the tape several times... the shot from outside clearly misses EVERYTHING, when 23 catches the ball underneath, the red shot clock light has already illuminated the backboard.. in fact the light has gone off BEFORE 23 catches the ball .... 23 flips it up and the ball hits the rim, then the shot clock buzzer goes off, at least a full second after the light....45 rebounds and puts it up at the final buzzer..... the problem is the shot clock buzzer went off WAY LATE.... HONESTY, SPORTSMANSHIP... had I stayed for the ladies game (I was at the Men's game) I would have been very vocal about doing it right.... This was a correctible error, if not by the rules, by FAIRNESS to both teams.....

All right, now someone tell me how I messed this up... I usually do... but don't tell me the buzzer is what counts, otherwise, why the illumination of the backboard at all?

We have to remember we have no idea what was said at the table. But it is the officials' job to get it right. Seems to me from the video that the shot clock horn sounded and the light went off simultaneously. Not sure what else they need. An official should know that there's a 2-second differential considering they were coming out of a dead ball situation with 10 to shoot.

hopefan · January 23, 2012, 01:16:20 PM

I have been made aware that the call was made strictly by the officials... they never consulted the table, who had the authority to provide input to the call. When they approached the table after talking only amongst themselves, the three officials had reached their decision. No video was available for viewing. Wash U officials at the table were given no opportunity to help....

Take my word for it, this is how it went down......

... so my discouragement now vents directly to the 3 offficials on the court.....

OldSchoolHoopsFan · January 23, 2012, 08:43:13 PM

Quote from: hopefan on January 23, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
I have been made aware that the call was made strictly by the officials... they never consulted the table, who had the authority to provide input to the call. When they approached the table after talking only amongst themselves, the three officials had reached their decision. No video was available for viewing. Wash U officials at the table were given no opportunity to help....

Take my word for it, this is how it went down...... ... so my discouragement now vents directly to the 3 offficials on the court.....

Unfortunately, at the D3 level, most games actually only have 3 referees except for the playoffs. At regular season games the table referee wears a striped shirt, but is not a sanctioned official. From what I could see of the video, the women in the striped shirt at the table was not consulted, did not offer any information, and the referees did not look like they expected her input.

Wydown Blvd. · January 23, 2012, 09:50:09 PM

Quote from: hopefan on January 23, 2012, 04:08:08 AM
Wydown... I saw the tape of the end of the game... simply not right..... Wash U officials at table or on the bench should have helped the 3 officials on the floor... Wash U should consider that an embarrassment to accept the win.... reminds me of the commercial where the player says, it went off my hand coach, the ball goes to the other team... SOMEONE should have said the ball didn't hit the rim, it goes to NYU.... Play OT and let the winner be justified....

Note I've watched the tape several times... the shot from outside clearly misses EVERYTHING, when 23 catches the ball underneath, the red shot clock light has already illuminated the backboard.. in fact the light has gone off BEFORE 23 catches the ball .... 23 flips it up and the ball hits the rim, then the shot clock buzzer goes off, at least a full second after the light....45 rebounds and puts it up at the final buzzer..... the problem is the shot clock buzzer went off WAY LATE.... HONESTY, SPORTSMANSHIP... had I stayed for the ladies game (I was at the Men's game) I would have been very vocal about doing it right.... This was a correctible error, if not by the rules, by FAIRNESS to both teams.....

All right, now someone tell me how I messed this up... I usually do... but don't tell me the buzzer is what counts, otherwise, why the illumination of the backboard at all?

hopefan, glad you got more information because this rant was a bit unnecessary.

Pat Coleman · January 23, 2012, 09:57:34 PM

After listening to the video closely I am sure the horn sounded but the onboard mic was overloaded by sneaker squeak and it didn't come through. When audio gets compressed, that happens.

Captain Bob · January 23, 2012, 11:31:27 PM

This is such an obviously and terribly blown call that changes the outcome of the game. Clearly they can't fly NYU back out for a short overtime, but is there anything the NCAA can do to fix the situation (and more importantly, make sure that ref crew never works another game)?

Pat Coleman · January 24, 2012, 12:14:24 AM

Nope -- this isn't the NCAA's call and once the officials leave the floor, the game is over.

This is in the hands of the UAA. The conference has the ability to not assign those referees. I would hope they don't assign them for UAA games at the very least, if not for any game at Wash U.