WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Just saw the Rose score... oof. Not the way to start the season but it was their first game against a team playing their 6th. Some stiff competition the next few games too. Could very well be 0-4 to start. The question is how will they respond heading into conference play when it really matters and the opponents aren't as strong. Best thing they can do is treat these next few games as preseason to iron things out, not worry about the score, and consider December 7th the season opener.

[Enginerd]

Just saw the Rose score... oof. Not the way to start the season but it was their first game against a team playing their 6th. Some stiff competition the next few games too. Could very well be 0-4 to start. The question is how will they respond heading into conference play when it really matters and the opponents aren't as strong. Best thing they can do is treat these next few games as preseason to iron things out, not worry about the score, and consider December 7th the season opener.

Grizz, I watched most of it, and they REALLY struggled, with more turnovers than I've seen an Engineer team commit in over a decade. They DO have a lot of impressive-looking Freshmen, but yesterday reminded me too much of the pre-2005 teams, when they were just getting women's basketball off the ground at RHIT, and took a lot of 40-point beatings. Lots of unforced errors out on the perimeter, 0-13 from beyond the arc, and as Jester says, REALLY struggled to finish around the basket . Hopefully, this one can be chalked up to having a team that is 90% Freshmen playing their first game vs. Berea's sixth, as Grizz points out - because the rest of the teams on the schedule won't feel very sorry for them, and each of RHIT's next three opponents in particular are a LOT better than Berea and would likely drill the Mountaineers by 20, minimum. RHIT showed flashes of potential on a few possessions, but they need to clean things up in a hurry or they could legitimately be looking at an 0-4 or even an 0-5 start heading into the four HCAC games before Christmas - and two more extremely talented non-conference teams await them in Nashville, TN in late December before conference play kicks into high gear in January.

[Jester1390]

Hi guys. Was at the game and of course I'm biased but I Like to think I'm pretty straight forward and open when it come to my daughter and the teams she is on.   As my son texted me during the game they are being out muscled and they look like freshman.  I will only talk on my daughter she was o-8 from 3 pt line I can promise that is not the norm. I actually thought she played really good defense she was out there for 32 min.  They only have her one block shot but I know she had at least 3

Berea scored  the majority of their points pressing our backcourt and the team didn't handle that well at all  when it was half court they held their own.  I was looking at last years schedule and the really good team lost their first game by 17 and then another by 27  so I told her not to wig out.   The girls seemed in good spirits they understand that teams are going to keep pressuring them and try to physically intimidate them

I liked that they never stopped playing hard and in that 4th quarter that was 9-1 they started being really physical back. These girls know all about the class before them they plan on continuing the tradition

The only excuse I would make for them is they are indeed the youngest team in America and I would guess there even younger then most jucco teams

Chicago is next I'm here now. Hopefully we will see improvement with the pressure.  My daughter takes the lid off the basket   And just the nerves in general are now over and they continue to learn how to play with a shot clock get used to the college game and most importantly how to play and have chemistry together

[Jester1390]

Also on berea I don't think you guys are giving them enough credit for how good they are I watched the game vs Transylvania's and I felt they should have won the game   They made some mistakes at the end that cost them.  But I believe they will be a ranked team very shortly they have played mos tif their games at home

[Jester1390]

Well the youngest team in America just got younger. One of the 3 remaining upperclassman at rose left the school.  So with one player being hurt that means the lone upperclassman Hannah will be Snow White at university Chicago game tomorrow. It will be Hannah and the Seven freshman

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well the youngest team in America just got younger. One of the 3 teaming upperclassman at rose left the school.  So with one player being hurt that means the lone upperclassman Hannah will be Snow White at university Chicago game tomorrow. It will be Hannah and the Seven freshman

I think you should send that as an idea to the Disney Studios!  A movie or at least a song.

[Baldini]

Transylvania is up to 10th in the new D 3 poll. No other HCAC team received a vote this week.

[Jester1390]

Still a lot to work on but a much better game as rose loses 74-53. They did get it down to 12 with 2:50 to go.  Huge improvement from game one

[Jester1390]

Well Engine. Not as a good a effort as Chicago but the elements of improvement. While still struggling with press break. Got turnovers down to 19.  Out rebounded IWU.  Outside shooting mainly have to be honest here my daughter is struggling. I have never seen a slump like this from her but she has been playing exceptional defense so at least the struggles are limited to the outside shot and I know she will fix that hopefully starting tomorrow.  They gave up something like 20 pts off of turnovers and 9 threes thus the score.   They keep showing that if they can get in a half court vs half court game they can more then hold there own.  Another tough game tomorrow hopefully they can come out of the gate stronger then they have been

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

She just needs to see a couple shots go down. 0 of 18 from three and 1 of 22 from the field is rough... maybe if she takes some closer jumpers until they start dropping.
Probably going to be another game like the first three against WashU, but then opportunities to get in the win column against St Mary of the Woods and the conference opener against Defiance.

Conference as a whole is 17-24 so far with 1 unbeaten and 3 winless. Anderson-Defiance opens conference play on the 3rd followed by Hanover-Franklin and Bluffton-MSJ the next night. Everyone else joins in on the 7th.

[Baldini]

Overall I think the conference is weaker this year than most years. If a young team can weather the early storm they will have a chance late in the season. Transylvania has lost their point guard until the 1st of January and they struggled this weekend in their tournament without her. If they stumble early in conference play it could open the door for someone else to gain the home court advantage.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Overall I think the conference is weaker this year than most years. If a young team can weather the early storm they will have a chance late in the season. Transylvania has lost their point guard until the 1st of January and they struggled this weekend in their tournament without her. If they stumble early in conference play it could open the door for someone else to gain the home court advantage.

It's too early to start projecting if teams could have a Pool C opportunity so the easiest goal is simply win the conference tournament. 3rd and 4th seeds host 5th and 6th in the 1st round, 1 seed hosts the semis and finals.
So the goals are:
1) 6th place to make tournament
2) 4th place to host a first round game
3) 2nd place to get a bye
4) 1st place to get a bye and host

Last year 9-9 was good enough for 4th place and 7-11 made the tournament so early season struggles aren't the end of the world. Franklin men were 2-8 and 9th place mid-January last season but finished strong to end up 9-9 and winning a game in the conference tournament.

[Jester1390]

I think when it comes to RHIT it's important to remember they haven't been playing any creampuffs.  Berea I think is better then some think but I chalk that whole game up to 7 freshman all playing at once with nerves. It's eSy for a program to rotate 1 or 2 freshman into a line up bit when you are incorporating a whole class.  That's another matter they are not Duke

They have been playing against experienced really good defensive teams and with them moving to conference games I expect they will get more looks and easier shots.   They have been very good rebounding with almost everyone getting 4-5 rebounds minimum.  They play physical but they need to learn passes they got away with in high school they can't do in college.  Also need to be more aware and get used to shot clock.  They had 3 violations last game.  Heading out to see the game.  Hope to see them start stronger.  They have started each game not well then started to sort out things

[RogK]

Jester1390 -- glad to see that your daughter shot well (.500 eFG% : 12 pts from 12 FG att) and hit her FT for a team high (tied) of 13 pts.
Effective Field Goal Pct / eFG% is an NBA stat that accurately credits the quantity of made threes within FG shooting. The formula is "pts scored from twos and threes" / 2x FG att. FTs are not involved.
If it were up to me, 3FG and 2FG shooting would be listed separately in the stats. Traditional FG% doesn't tell you if any threes are included.
Looking at FG%, 3FG% and FT % as a trio of team stats still doesn't tell you the extent that 3FGs were a factor. A team could make 2/5 threes or 20/50.

[Jester1390]

3 of her shots were desperate with no shot clock left and she got passed the ball. Good step by girls still to many pts off of turnovers now they need to start believing.

 
ST. LOUIS, Mo. -- Washington University relied on a strong third quarter performance to turn a close game into a 67-47 victory over Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in the third-place game of the women's basketball Midwest Challenge on Sunday.

Rose-Hulman led the host Bears 8-6 after one quarter and were within four points at 24-20 at the half.  Washington University relied on a 25-point third quarter to pull away and improve to 3-2 on the season.

Kahlan Jester and Nosa Igiehon led the Rose-Hulman offense with 13 points each.  Jester finished 5-12 from the field with five rebounds and three assists.  Igiehon was 5-13 with nine rebounds on the afternoon.

Hannah Woody and Jordan Barlow contributed six points each for the Fightin' Engineers.  Nola Wilson had five points and four rebounds, Desirae Webster contributed seven rebounds and four assists, and Rose Burnham had six rebounds for Rose-Hulman.

Sammi Matoush led Washington University with 15 points and Naomi Jackson had 12 points.  Rose-Hulman held Washington University to just 8-31 from the field in the first half, before the hosts strong third quarter.

Rose-Hulman opens its home schedule against St. Mary-of-the-Woods in the Dorsett Automotive Crosstown Classic on Wednesday at 7:30 pm at Hulbert Arena.