WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

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FCGrizzliesGrad

Baldini 2-3    17-5
FCGG 3-2       15-7
Jester 4-1      15-7
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Defiance (3-2) @ Transylvania (5-0) 1:00 PM
Franklin (3-2) @ Anderson (1-4) 1:00 PM
Manchester (3-2) @ Earlham (2-3) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-5) @ Mount St. Joseph (1-4) 2:00 PM
Bluffton (2-3) @ Hanover (5-0) 4:00 PM
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Having not seen them in action I can't comment on RHIT troubles, but something needs to happen. -20 turnover differential leading to -21 in FGA. Ouch. Maybe they need to start carrying around basketballs all day.
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Baldini

Saturday
Defiance (3-2) @ Transylvania (5-0) 1:00 PM
Franklin (3-2) @ Anderson (1-4) 1:00 PM
Manchester (3-2) @ Earlham (2-3) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-5) @ Mount St. Joseph (1-4) 2:00 PM
Bluffton (2-3) @ Hanover (5-0) 4:00 PM

I am going to give RHIT one last chance this weekend, if they can't get it done in this spot there may well be no hope for them. I've got Transylvania, Franklin, Manchester, RHIT and Hanover.

FCGrizzliesGrad

Transy in a romp
Franklin
Manchester (an Earlham win wouldn't shock me though)
MSJ (Rose must win to have any conference tournament hope)
Hanover
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Jester1390

Ok here in lovely Cincinnati want to thank the good people for Paying for my trip in the poker room.
My daughter is really banged up led the team in assists and rebounds last game bought got a black eye and worse I think she has a hip flexor. She is going to try to play through it

With that  here you go
Rose
Trany
Franklin
Manchester
Hanover

FCGrizzliesGrad

Getting a chance to watch some of the Rose game... here's my thoughts.
For a team with plenty of taller players, Rose does not attack the basket nearly enough. A lot of passing around the perimeter and settling for long jump shots. Even when the ball gets down in the post they often end up turning away from the basket and settling for an 8 footer. Be aggressive. Get some layups. Draw some fouls. Drive to the basket and kick it out for an open shot.
Free throw shooting needs work. Need all the point they can get, can't shoot this poorly from the line.
Passing needs to be better. Too many one handed passes off the dribble that are either inaccurate or not crisp enough.
Defensively not too bad. They don't give up easy baskets inside. Maybe a few too many fouls but otherwise good job. They need to take some of that aggressiveness on defense down to the other end of the court.
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Jester1390

Well st joe is celebrating 50 years of basketball and it's very appropriate. As our offense would fit in very nicely 50 years ago.  Don't know what to say we are just anemic offensively.  They show areas where you go how the hell can they be this bad. Held at joe to 9 shot clock violations.  But they just bomb 3.  We I'm betting took 5 or 6 in the game.   

Personal kid was in foul trouble can tell hip was bugging her. She showed what she can do offensively if they allow her to be in the flow of the offense but none of it matters they wouldn't beat 8 th grade teams scoring 27 pts.  Be truthful it's damn embarrassing.    I look at gustavus is doing and I have to be straight up I imagine the difference in season she would be having there.  In the end it's about her career but as far as basketball just beyond disappointing. These girls are way to athletic to be playjng g this bad.   They are getting worse. They played much better when playing top 25 teams

Enginerd

Quote from: Jester1390 on January 11, 2020, 03:53:48 PM
Well st joe is celebrating 50 years of basketball and it's very appropriate. As our offense would fit in very nicely 50 years ago.  Don't know what to say we are just anemic offensively.  They show areas where you go how the hell can they be this bad. Held at joe to 9 shot clock violations.  But they just bomb 3.  We I'm betting took 5 or 6 in the game.   

Personal kid was in foul trouble can tell hip was bugging her. She showed what she can do offensively if they allow her to be in the flow of the offense but none of it matters they wouldn't beat 8 th grade teams scoring 27 pts.  Be truthful it's damn embarrassing.    I look at gustavus is doing and I have to be straight up I imagine the difference in season she would be having there.  In the end it's about her career but as far as basketball just beyond disappointing. These girls are way to athletic to be playjng g this bad.   They are getting worse. They played much better when playing top 25 teams

Jester, they all look tired and run-down. Like they are all playing sick or injured. I don't know. They've had FAR less talent than this group and won 9-10 games and been a threat to advance in the HCAC tourney and, in fact, the 2011-12 team won 8 regular season games (8-17 heading into the tourney) and won a #3 vs. #6 game to advance to the HCAC semifinals - which I believe is the only time that has ever happened. That team was probably 75% freshmen as well, I recall. That was around the time my son was in school, so I saw some games in that era, and they were definitely less talented than this group.
I still believe that this is a group with immense potential but they must be missing some vital pieces - to guess which ones is beyond by basketball knowledge - probably the perimeter though.
They always recruit extremely well given the considerable disadvantages, and IF they can keep this group together (do you think they'll all return next year?), the future is bright. I really do believe that.

Jester1390

I would agree on perimeter players except coach doesn't isnold school and is not into launching a ton of 3s. My kid but benched a half against Hanover because she shot a 3 early in shot clock. Not saying wrong or right but he wants to work clock. He is a post coach. I thought they would use my kid more from 3pt.  But she got off to such a horrible start.   I did get a chance to talk to her yesterday after game and she felt like she has rediscovered her stroke.  I just told her the other guards were 2-27 in the game and she was 2-5 for in the 20 min she was in due to foul trouble and she would tell t out she should have been 4-5 missed a right hand drive and a reverse    It's not a knock on the other girls I'm just trying to get across it's ok to shoot and to miss.  I told her it's not working with you dishing all the time the teams needs you to realize your one of the best shooters on the team and you need to get more attempts

St joe first 11 baskets were 3 pointers I think they maybe only had 6 pts in paint.  I am going to knock some players without naming them. There is a couple of players who constantly have girls shoot 3s that they are guarding.  I don't know if it's due to their height or they just play off to far.  I'm spoiled because my kids height really bothers outside shooters so she rarely gives any up

She gave up one yesterday and the girl was 40 ft.  She was on fire made the first 5 shots of the game all 3s.    I'll be at the game wendsday so hopefully we have a game where we have some people go off 

Enginerd

Quote from: Jester1390 on January 12, 2020, 04:12:14 PM
I would agree on perimeter players except coach doesn't isnold school and is not into launching a ton of 3s. My kid but benched a half against Hanover because she shot a 3 early in shot clock. Not saying wrong or right but he wants to work clock. He is a post coach. I thought they would use my kid more from 3pt.  But she got off to such a horrible start.   I did get a chance to talk to her yesterday after game and she felt like she has rediscovered her stroke.  I just told her the other guards were 2-27 in the game and she was 2-5 for in the 20 min she was in due to foul trouble and she would tell t out she should have been 4-5 missed a right hand drive and a reverse    It's not a knock on the other girls I'm just trying to get across it's ok to shoot and to miss.  I told her it's not working with you dishing all the time the teams needs you to realize your one of the best shooters on the team and you need to get more attempts

St joe first 11 baskets were 3 pointers I think they maybe only had 6 pts in paint.  I am going to knock some players without naming them. There is a couple of players who constantly have girls shoot 3s that they are guarding.  I don't know if it's due to their height or they just play off to far.  I'm spoiled because my kids height really bothers outside shooters so she rarely gives any up

She gave up one yesterday and the girl was 40 ft.  She was on fire made the first 5 shots of the game all 3s.    I'll be at the game wendsday so hopefully we have a game where we have some people go off

It just looks to me as though RHIT does not have many players whom are capable of of creating/scoring off the dribble or creating for others. Now, RHIT has never been a blow-you-away schematic offensive team, but they've always been a capable offense/unbelievable defense team, like the 200 Ravens or 2002 Bucs lol.
I honestly believe that if the Brooks kid had decided to play this season, they'd be at least .500, and probably would have won the league easily last year. A confident, capable senior PG (that also knows how to win) with a steady hand cures a lot of ills, especially with a team that is 95% Freshmen. Losing her is probably the worst thing to happen to the program in a long time. I hope they stay together and all come back - this is the most talented bad team I've ever seen.

FCGrizzliesGrad

Baldini 3-2    20-7
FCGG 4-1       19-8
Jester 3-2      18-9
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Huge game between the top two teams
Wednesday
Hanover (6-0) @ Transylvania (6-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (3-3) @ Manchester (3-3) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-6) @ Anderson (1-5) 7:30 PM
Earlham (3-3) @ Bluffton (2-4) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (2-4) @ Franklin (4-2) 7:30 PM
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Baldini

Hanover (6-0) @ Transylvania (6-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (3-3) @ Manchester (3-3) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-6) @ Anderson (1-5) 7:30 PM
Earlham (3-3) @ Bluffton (2-4) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (2-4) @ Franklin (4-2) 7:30 PM

I'm going with the all home team sweep on Wednesday night. Transylvania, Manchester, Anderson, Bluffton and Franklin.

Jester1390

Trany
Defiance
Rose
Bluffton
franklin

FCGrizzliesGrad

Ditto on the home sweep. Defiance the most likely road team to win.
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FCGrizzliesGrad

Transylvania has cracked the top 10 this week moving up 4 spots to #9
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