MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference

[magicman]

Haven't done the math, but think Coach Dobbs and the Bears would rather have a 3 seed (Cortland) than a four (Cards). 

thebear
I agree Coach Dobbs would rather have the 3 seed than a 4 and after that nail biter today in Oneonta its certainly a possibility. 
I assume you mean who they would be playing in the 1st round of the playoffs(Cortland or the Cards). But I thought that #1 in the West played #4 in the East, #2 in the West played #3 in the East and so on. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And if it is the West it's probably Borckport if you're the 4 or Oswego if you're the 3.

[bports]

Wrong they take the top 4 from the west and top 4 from the east. After that they seed them based on there record and its 1 vs 8  2 vs 7 3 vs 6  and 4 vs 5. So someone with a better record in one division might not make the tourney over someone with a worst record. Top 4 in each division regardless of record.

[jdex]

    Oswego 77, Cortland 74

    Geneseo trims Fredonia 64-53. Freds hold first half lead till S. Morton connects for 31-30 Knights edge heading to half. Never fall behind beyond that. Morton 17 pts(7x14fg), 5 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls; J. Howe 16 pts(7x8fg), 7 rebs; T. Kitson 10 pts(2x3fg, 6x6ft), 4pf in 20'. Gens 22x40fg, 19x24ft. Devils 20x50fg, 8x11ft. B. Cooper 22 pts(8x16fg, 3x7 3s); J. Kane 12 pts, 9 rebs; R. Buckmon 10 pts(4x8fg)

[magicman]

bports


Thanks. I knew it was top 4 in each division. Just didn't know they re-seeded them based on records.

[jdex]

   Oswego's M. Jabbi makes it a day for last second -- in this case 1.8, heroics. Takes court-length pass from D. White and hits `3' to sink Cortland. Lakers midway 37-35 leaders. Hit 27x57fg, 12x24 3s, 11x13ft. T. Downing 27 pts(9x18fg, 6x10 3s); Jabbi 23 pts(9x17fg, 1x2 3s), 11 rebs; K. Reuter 12 pts; N. Perioli 11 pts; D. White 4 assts. Corts 31x57fg, 3x5 3s, 9x12ft. P. Oliver 19 pts(9x15fg), 10 rebs in 30'; M. Lewis 18 pts(8x15fg), 6 rebs in 29'; C. Niehoff 14 pts(5x7fg, 2x2 3s), 3 assts; W. Coston 4 pts(0x3fg), 30'

[Cards7580]

"...Competitive basketball isn't made to be played on rubber floors, especially 35 year old rubber floors.  Surprised there isn't a major product liability scandal with the number of ACL's that happen on rubber floors, especially amongst the women players...."

The rubber floor at the Plattsburgh field house was bad in 1974 when I visited it with my dad. He wanted to see the hockey area (Cornell 1950 Lacrosse and Hockey player).  So after we looked at the co-eds playing broom ball we stepped down to the field house/track portion.  The team was practicing, all kinds of nets hanging from the ceiling to keep errant balls from rolling far away.  When we walked on the actual rubber surface you could see the rolling bubbles in it.  I didn't see the actual basketball court part of it until the next year 1975-76 season.  I went to all the games and did stats.  During one game that season Larry Parker almost broke his ankle when he tripped over a bubble that magically appeared during a game against Southhampton College (Div II).  He missed most of that game and the whole game the following week.  That was the last straw and all of the rest of the home games were moved to Memorial Hall since that day. Even during intramural games you could tamp down one bubble and another one would pop up somewhere else.    The other very annoying factor about playing in that field house section is the noise from all the ventilation systems.  The engineer who designed the facility thought it would be a good idea to put all of those components out of the "weather".  So even during concerts you could hear the roar of fans blowing the air around.

[magicman]

And for all you "older" basketball junkies. In Feb. 1966 the final game of the regular season Potsdam came back from down 8 with 52 seconds left  to beat Plattsburgh in Plattsburgh to win the Conference championship, and gain the post season bid. No conference tournament back then. George Brown was Potsdam's star and future T.V. personality Tom Chapin (Harry's brother) was Plattsburgh's big man. Believe it was Frosh Joe Topa who hit the game winner at the buzzer for the Bears. No 3 point shot or 35 second clock back then either. Aah!! The good old days.

[Pat Coleman]

Hey Cards--fact of the matter is speaking currently-- xxxxxx were denied admittance at Bport and the rest is history--Last 5 years my man

There are no facts here. You'd have to be in the admissions department at Brockport to have that kind of information, AND you'd be violating the law, pretty sure, by revealing it here.

[magicman]

Hey Cards--fact of the matter is speaking currently-- xxxxxx were denied admittance at Bport and the rest is history--Last 5 years my man

There are no facts here. You'd have to be in the admissions department at Brockport to have that kind of information, AND you'd be violating the law, pretty sure, by revealing it here.

Pat

Thank you for clearing  that up. Plattsburgh State was recently and previously noted in a very reputable publication (whose name escapes me at the moment) as being one of the top 100 colleges academically, in the country, to attend. They don't lower their admission standards for athletes. 

[Cards7580]

Plattsburgh Coach Tom Curle interview

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/08/hoopsville020308b.mp3

[thebear]

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Thank you for clearing  that up. Plattsburgh State was recently and previously noted in a very reputable publication (whose name escapes me at the moment) as being one of the top 100 colleges academically, in the country, to attend. They don't lower their admission standards for athletes. 

Actually it was the 100 best values in Higher Education.  Still prestigious, but more a combination of costs paired with academics.

Working at a college I can tell you:

Exceptions are made, athletes, musicians, dancers, children of prominent alumni or friends of the college, members of underrepresented groups, all can (& do) get special handling.  It varies from school to school, but exceptions are made, everywhere, even the elite private schools in the NESCAC & UAA.

My experience is a lot of the "such & so" couldn't get in here is to some extent "folklore".  In many cases the individual in question didn't even apply, or if they did, didn't do a great job on the application.  Even when a person gets in a one place and not another, they still have to go to class and do the work to remain eligible. 

Keeping players eligible is just another burden that falls on the coaching staff, not to mention that players who have trouble in the classroom, often have trouble with the nuances of the college game, like who to guard, and what to do in a fraction of a second.

All this being said, transfers are much easier to get into school, in general, a transfer with a 2.0 from an accredited institution can usually be admitted almost anywhere.  That lowers the bar somewhat and is why certain players wind up in places where the question "how did he ever get in there?" follows.

Give Coach Curle credit where credit is due.  He has turned the Cards into one of the elite programs in the East, has done it by starting with juco transfers and people who didn't succeed at other higher level  programs, is now enrolling elite freshman, and has his program poised to break into the top ranks. 

Rare but key SUNYAC vs. NESCAC matchup tomorrow night when the Cards face Middlebury,  that will complete a lot of cross tabulations for the various pollsters out there.

[slickyquick]

It is widely known that most of the SUNYAC will admit transfers at a lower GPA than what they normally except. And yes, that is true for Geneseo also. A kid I went to high school with had a 2.3 while at a community college and was admitted into Geneseo about 10 years ago. Things might have changed but schools are using those transfers to fill spots for students that have left.

Some of the SUNYAC will accept students with under a 2.0 GPA at a junior/community college.  2.0 is usually the standard for letting transfers in for admission.

I also know that at Buff St. has a day during the summer where as long as you bring in your proof of a high school diploma or GED you can enroll in classes right then and there. Not sure how the coaching staff for the Bengals uses that for their advantage but they certainly should.

[bports]

Whitmore use to complain that alot of the kids he recruited couldnt get into school at Bport but would end up at plattsburgh. When Bport went to a level 2 suny school about 5 years ago it made it alot tougher for whitmore and he was always fighting it.

[WICB Sports]

Coverage of Bombers basketball begins Tuesday at 5:40 p.m. Eastern time with Bombers Shootaround on 92 WICB (www.wicb.org).  Coverage of the women's contest between the Bombers and Oneonta tips off at 6 p.m., with Michael Polak and Matt McLaughlin with the call.

At 7:40 p.m., pregame coverage of the men's game begins on vicradio.org.  At 8 p.m., Nate March and Andrew Sidney have the call from the Ben Light Gymnasium on vicradio.org.

[bball12]

When you take a job at a university you should know what the requirements are when you take the job.  You can't take a job and then complain you cant get kids into school.  It is then your job to recruit kids who have the requirements and are good enough to play basketball.  I am not saying this is what happend to  Whitmore but it is what it is.  I say congratulations to the guy who has an easy job getting kids in.  That would be the next job I would apply to when it opens up.