MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference

[Bengalsrule]

 

[ECSUalum]

Magic,

North Central loses to D3 poll #1 UW-SP by 2, 66-64, and I know SUNY Buffalo beat North Central by 8 or so,  Wonder if SUNY Buffalo could do the deed on UW-SP!!!!

[magicman]

Magic,

North Central loses to D3 poll #1 UW-SP by 2, 66-64, and I know SUNY Buffalo beat North Central by 8 or so,  Wonder if SUNY Buffalo could do the deed on UW-SP!!!!

That result doesn't surprise me as the CCIW conference has 4 or 5 teams that can play with anybody. Carthage, picked to finish 5th in that conference has already beaten two D3hoops Top 25 teams that were ranked in the Top 10 at the time of the game.  I also think the Pointers are a little overrated. They're good and they may win it all but they certainly aren't unbeatable. 

I also think that the SUNYAC has 4 or 5 teams that can play with anybody this year. Buffalo State, Plattsburgh, Brockport, Oswego and Geneseo will prove to be a tough out for any team. Part of our problem is we play a double round robin and the top teams will beat up on each other so we'll all end up with 3, 4, or even 5 losses in conference play. When you have 10 teams in the conference, that means 18 conference games. We've had years when the 1st place team in the regular season had a 13-5 conference record. In fact several years ago there was a tie for the top spot and both teams were 13-5. Then if you get a loss in the conference tournament you have 6 losses meaning you had better be almost perfect in the non-con portion of your schedule, or you won't be receiving any at large bid.  Conferences like the NESCAC with a single round robin don't get hurt quite so badly record wise as the SUNYAC or LEC teams do. That's why they get 3 teams in the Dance quite often and our conferences rarely see that happen.

Glad to see North Central play #1 so tough. That rubs off a bit on all of the teams that played North Central like Buff State and your Warriors in Mr. Massey's ratings. Then all the teams in our leagues will receive a slight benefit as well.     

[magicman]

Happy New Year to all the D3 Posters.

[Bengalsrule]

Magic,

North Central loses to D3 poll #1 UW-SP by 2, 66-64, and I know SUNY Buffalo beat North Central by 8 or so,  Wonder if SUNY Buffalo could do the deed on UW-SP!!!!

YES!!!!! Buffalo State could beat UW-SP!  SUNY Buffalo ( div 1) could also!

[magicman]

One game on New Years Day

Oneonta at Greensboro in Greensboro North Carolina  2:00 PM

The Red Dragons finish off their southern excursion with a game against the Greensboro Pride. This team is from the same conference, USAC, as Oneonta's Monday opponent, Averett. Oneonta won that game 92-79 and the MOV could be similar today. The Pride enter this game with the same 2-6 record as conference mate Averett has. The 2 USAC schools have played three common opponents and Averett has fared better than Greensboro against all three.  The oddsmakers have made Oneonta an 8 point favorite but I think it will be another double digit win. I see the Red Dragons winning their 4th game in a row and coming home with a 5-4 record, as they get over the .500 mark for the first time since their opening season win over Rochester. The score will be 78-65 or something like that.     

[thebear]

I also think that the SUNYAC has 4 or 5 teams that can play with anybody this year. Buffalo State, Plattsburgh, Brockport, Oswego and Geneseo will prove to be a tough out for any team. Part of our problem is we play a double round robin and the top teams will beat up on each other so we'll all end up with 3, 4, or even 5 losses in conference play. When you have 10 teams in the conference, that means 18 conference games. We've had years when the 1st place team in the regular season had a 13-5 conference record. In fact several years ago there was a tie for the top spot and both teams were 13-5. Then if you get a loss in the conference tournament you have 6 losses meaning you had better be almost perfect in the non-con portion of your schedule, or you won't be receiving any at large bid. 

Back in the Day, when the Bears were consistently in the national Top 10, SUNYAC played a single round robin, then a tournament.  Traditional rivals e.g. Plattsburgh/Oswego often played an additional game to roundout the schedule. 

Agreed double round robin hurts esp for the at large bid.  In '04-05 when we went to the Elite 8, three regular season losses were to conference teams we had already beaten, probably cost us the hosting, which wound up at Amherst, which was on Break, and had a facility that's laughable compared to Jerry Welsh Gymnasium.

[scooterman]

I understand the difficulty of getting 3 YAC teams to the dance. You need to play some strength of schedule outside the conference and be almost perfect to have any kind of chance for tourney bid. It would be great to see 3 YAC's in it.

[magicman]

Oneonta State trails Greensboro 40-33 at the half. Red Dragons found themselves down by double digits at 12-2,  5:15 into this game.  The Pride would increase that margin to 31-16 with 8:29 left in the period. Red Dragons did manage to cut it back to single digits and then got a bucket with 10 seconds left to make it the 7 point halftime edge.

Live stats quit working with 8:29 left so I don't have much in the way of stats. I do know that Mikey McElroy has 7 for Oneonta.
Apparently Greensboro couldn't afford to have someone man the camera for the videocast. Strangest webcast I've ever watched. The camera was pointed at one basket and never moved the entire period. For the first half you could see Oneonta on offense, but never got to see the Red Dragons play defense. I'm sure it will be just the reverse next period. I guess I'll pass on watching it though. Pretty sad. What's amazing is that you have an announcer doing running commentary but can only follow that commentary on one end. Must be cheap to hire a talker and expensive to hire a camera swiveler in North Carolina.   Who knew?

[Bengalsrule]

Speaking for the Bengals..... We would love to play RPI 1-6, at their place as opposed to Plattsburgh at theirs ( as part of the annual home away series that all Sunyac teams play). Both Williams and Middlebury have a win over RPI ( no disrespect meant to RPI). Give us a game at Curry 2-5, Mass college 2-7, Washington college 3-5 ( 3 of the victories that Williams has this season in their non conference slate) as opposed to visiting Maxie hall or Brockport and we will take it. the record of the past 6 teams that Williams has played has been a combined 19-31. Take away Springfields 7-2 and you have a record of 12-29 record for their 5 of thier last 6 victories.

Middle bury isn't much better. Last 4 teams 14-16. Take away Skidmores 6-2 record and you are left with a 8-14 record of their most recent victims!

The Yac schedule/conference is truly 1 of the toughest IMHO this season. I expect a down Cortland to be competitive at Catholic u this weekend and oneonta to serve notice in NC that the Yac is back!

Yac Is Back!!  I like that!

[Bengalsrule]

Oneonta loses 91-75

[Bengalsrule]

So Magic 1...what's the scoop on Moody??

[magicman]

Oneonta loses 91-75

ON Monday Dan Lee and Zach Mager combined for 57 points in the Oneonta win. On Wednesday they combined for 20 points. That's the story of this game.  

[madzillagd]

Speaking for the Bengals..... We would love to play RPI 1-6, at their place as opposed to Plattsburgh at theirs ( as part of the annual home away series that all Sunyac teams play). Both Williams and Middlebury have a win over RPI ( no disrespect meant to RPI). Give us a game at Curry 2-5, Mass college 2-7, Washington college 3-5 ( 3 of the victories that Williams has this season in their non conference slate) as opposed to visiting Maxie hall or Brockport and we will take it. the record of the past 6 teams that Williams has played has been a combined 19-31. Take away Springfields 7-2 and you have a record of 12-29 record for their 5 of thier last 6 victories.

Middle bury isn't much better. Last 4 teams 14-16. Take away Skidmores 6-2 record and you are left with a 8-14 record of their most recent victims!

The Yac schedule/conference is truly 1 of the toughest IMHO this season. I expect a down Cortland to be competitive at Catholic u this weekend and oneonta to serve notice in NC that the Yac is back!

Yac Is Back!!  I like that!

With the NESCAC being at a bit of a disadvantage coming out of the gates (they are not allowed to start practice until Nov 1), I don't think you are ever going to see the top tier teams consistently take on a difficult preseason schedule.  Middlebury attempted a tougher tournament this year and picked up 2 early losses - we'll see if that comes back to haunt them later in the year if they pick up some conference losses.  Regardless, if you look at the NESCAC from top to bottom there is not a team with a losing record in the conference. 

You mention Williams opponents to date but if we look a bit further you'll see their remaining schedule is against teams that are a combined 85-42 (67% winning %) so their weak SOS right now will improve dramatically over the next several weeks especially since they have 3 games against Top 25 teams.  Compare that with the Bengals 73-52 (58%) and you can see that Williams will have a much tougher road the rest of the way.  NESCAC is 2-1 so far this year between the conferences with a couple more games that could flip it around to the YAC's advantage.

[Bengalsrule]

Hmmm interesting thoughts there madzillagd! Williams remaining strength of schedule is pretty strong. "Williams will have a much tougher road the rest of the way"!

2 things that I would say when comparing SOS between the 2 teams/ conferences. Please keepin mind that my comments were prefaced by saying "no disrespect..."! Also we, Sunyac folks, were talking about how nice it would to be able to schedule 11-15 non conference games as opposed to 7, which is the maximum allowable for our conference.

I must say that I am glad to hear that Williams strength of schedule will get better. Right now Massey has Williams SOS at 285! Not sure what you expect it to go up to later, but today its 285. Yes Middlebury is at 59 however Amherst is at 180. I think that speaks volumes of thier non-
conference schedule At This Point! BTW Plattsburgh SOS right now is 83, Buffalo State SOS is 66 and Brockport SOS is 64. Not sure how your math worked to equate Williams having a tougher schedule than Buff State, either now or in the future, but Ken Massey would surely disagree. BTW....Next highest Sunyac school SOS is Oneonta at 137. Next highest NESCAC school SOS is 1st place (conference wise) Bowdoin at 232.

I have no doubt that all 4 - Williams, Middlebury, Amherst and Bowdoin have final 4 potential. Thier current records say that they are all elite programs. However I still say that if our schools could schedule 60%-70% of their games against non sunyac schools with an eye (other than Middlebury) of getting "some" cupcakes on thier schedule, in hopes of going into a 9-10 game conference season at 9-1 or 10-0, then our rankings would be higher in mid Jan also. Currently after playing a "competitve" non conference schedules and then beating up on each other during 180 game conference season, our top teams can't help but have 3-4-5 losses when tourney time comes around. Cut that number of conference games in half and we, Yac, would have half of our losses.

Going to Middlebury every other year beats visiting Tuggle gym annually. Ditto traveling to Williams only on even years as opposed to Corey Gymnasium annually. We would all like to face Plattsburgh once a year or, Potsdam or New Paltz or Geneseo or (you get the idea). It just can't happen!

The YAC is Back!

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So is NESCAC!


ps I apologize for the gap in completing this post. The wifi at the hospital; that I was at, just stopped working in mid stroke (after writing Middlebury...)