MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference

[pg04]

Both tournament wins will be considered in the final rankings since Geneseo was also ranked.

Like I said I'm just going off what those in the other posts who have put in a lot of effort have computed.

Of course, this is subject to change if more favorites lose their conference.

[magicman]

When I walked out of Memorial Hall a couple of hours ago I though that Oswego State stood a good chance of getting a Pool C bid and giving the SUNYAC conference 3 teams in the NCAA tournament.  Lots of things have went against us today in the overall picture as I discovered when I got to my office and pulled up todays results. Now I think the Lakers are a bubble team at best and may not even get to the table for consideration unless the Regional Rankings undergo a massive reboot when the committee meets tomorrow.

Plattsburgh State, the #1 ranked team in the East Region isn't about to lose that  position because they lost to Oswego on Friday night. They will be the 1st team from the East Region to sit at the table and should get a Pool C, at large bid, fairly early in the selection process. I'm guessing they will be somewhere around the 4th to 7th team awarded a Pool C bid.   

In the East Region we needed Rochester to win and gain the automatic bid for the UAA conference. That didn't happen as Rochester lost to Emory 84-75. Rochester will probably be the 2nd team from the East Region to sit at the table waiting for a Pool C bid.

We needed NYU to lose to Brandeis. They shouldn't be ranked ahead of Oswego (for that matter neither should Rochester, in my opinion as Oswego has a better record than Rochester and beat them head to head in Rochester) but for some strange reason NYU and Rochester are both ahead of Oswego. A loss would have helped but NYU beat the last place team in the UAA, Brandeis, by a 71-50 final score. They could be the 3rd team from the East waiting for a Pool C bid.

We needed St John Fisher to win and clinch the automatic bid from the Empire 8 conference. That didn't happen as Hartwick beat Fisher 93-91 to capture the automatic bid. Fisher was ranked ahead of Oswego in the last Regional Rankings, so they will probably be the 4th team from the East waiting for a Pool C bid.

This week, since the last set of NCAA rankings came out, Oswego beat the top team in the SUNYAC, which is also the top team in the Regional Rankings, Plattsburgh, before losing to the 2nd seeded Red Dragons of Cortland. Oswego went 2-1 for the week beating 2 regionally ranked opponents. (#6 Geneseo being the other one) Don't know what that will do to Oswego's ranking on the next set of regional rankings that comes out this week. We won't see those rankings to know if Oswego moved up or down. The NCAA chooses to keep them secret, which a lot of us aren't too happy about.

Geneseo will most likely drop out of the regional rankings and could be replaced by Cortland or Lancaster Bible.

Some hope for Oswego backers is that our numbers guru, KnightSlappy, who does his own sets of Regional rankings using NCAA guidelines, still thinks Oswego gets a Pool C bid. He projects Oswego as #3 in the Regional Rankings.  I certainly hope he's right because the Lakers could get a bid if they move up to the 3rd spot. If they stay at #5 though, there is absolutely no way the East Region will get 5 Pool C bids. I believe 3 is the most we will get and maybe only 2.

Here is a link to KnightSlappy's updated rankings:

http://detroitjockcity.com/division-iii-mens-basketball-regional-rankings-data/



     

[pg04]

I think Oswego could jump both Rochester and NYU. Neither team did anything to help their standing while the 2 wins versus regionally ranked will help Oswego. At least I think it should. NYU has no business being ahead of Oswego. The head-to head match-up with Rochester should also matter which makes things head scratching as Magicman said. But maybe they won't want three from the same conference.

I hadn't realized that Fisher also lost which does hurt things.

[magicman]

I think Oswego could jump both Rochester and NYU. Neither team did anything to help their standing while the 2 wins versus regionally ranked will help Oswego. At least I think it should. NYU has no business being ahead of Oswego. The head-to head match-up with Rochester should also matter which makes things head scratching as Magicman said. But maybe they won't want three from the same conference.

I hadn't realized that Fisher also lost which does hurt things.

pg04,

That's never stopped the NCAA before. The UAA had 4 teams a few years back. Easier for them because they have teams in so many different regions, they could conceivably have 2 or more teams sitting at the table at the same time. We can never have that kind of scenario. The NEWMAC conference had 4 teams just 2 years ago in 2013-14 when WPI, Babson, Springfield and MIT all got bids. One of them, MIT, was sent to Plattsburgh. They were soundly beaten by the Cardinals that year 76-53. In fact all 4 of the NEWMAC  teams were losers in the first round that year.

That same year, 3 teams from the SUNYAC made the tournament, Plattsburgh and Geneseo with Pool C bids and Brockport with the automatic bid.  Brockport lost All American Jon Ivy with a knee injury  that year with 3 games or so to go in the regular season. They would have made a decent run in the tournament with him but lost in triple overtime to a very good Morrisville team that made it to the Elite Eight that year. With Jon Ivy they would have beaten Morrisville and may have made it to the Final Four.

Four teams from the NESCSAC made it in last year...Amherst, Bates, Trinity and Wesleyan. It won't surprise me to see 4 more make it in this year. Amherst, Tufts, Trinity and Middlebury if they win tomorrow against the team formerly known as the Lord Jeffs.     

[pg04]

Always with the great info Magicman! Hopefully SUNYAC has enough "oomph" (so to speak) to push three into the tournament. I am excited that there are already two guaranteed. But I really do think the third deserves it too. But of course I'm biased 

[Bengalsrule]

Always with the great info Magicman! Hopefully SUNYAC has enough "oomph" (so to speak) to push three into the tournament. I am excited that there are already two guaranteed. But I really do think the third deserves it too. But of course I'm biased 

Oswego definitely gets in. I predicted 3 bids at least 4 months ago. Oswego beat #1 east (Plattsburgh) not once , but twice in less than 2 weeks. Not much more they can do. Other then losing to Cortland they have not lost to another Yac team since 1/15 other than Geneseo. So losses to the Yac champ and 1 loss to East #2/3 (Geneseo) in their last 13?!. Here's to hoping that Oswego gets in. Damn all the other stuff. They deserve to get in. Period!!!

[magicman]

As I said yesterday, Oswego will get in, if the East Region rankings get a makeover. I still don't understand how Rochester and NYU were ranked ahead of the Lakers when the last rankings came out. Now, beating Plattsburgh a second time should count for quite a bit more than some wins over a bunch of teams with losing records (NYU) and if you beat a team (Rochester) head to head in their house...well, that should be one in the Lakers favor as well. Oswego needs to jump back in front of the UAA teams when the hidden rankings are formulated later today.  I remain hopeful that what I said to several of the Oswego players as I left Memorial Hall yesterday will come to pass. I told Mykell Krecko, and Brian Sortino that I thought they were in the NCAA tournament despite losing the Championship game. Keep the faith, baby. Rooting hard for the 3 team parley....Plattsburgh, Cortland and Oswego.         

[pg04]

The breakdown of conferences on this site doesn't even mention Oswego as a candidate. That can't be a good sign... http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2015-16/conference-tournaments/index

[magicman]

Nice to see that the SUNYAC board has hit Page Number 500.

[magicman]

The breakdown of conferences on this site doesn't even mention Oswego as a candidate. That can't be a good sign... http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2015-16/conference-tournaments/index

Pay no attention to those men behind the curtain.    Listen to Bengalsrule and magicman instead.

[Bengalsrule]

The breakdown of conferences on this site doesn't even mention Oswego as a candidate. That can't be a good sign... http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2015-16/conference-tournaments/index

Pay no attention to those men behind the curtain.    Listen to Bengalsrule and magicman instead.

Plus K there magic!!

[pg04]

I do listen to both of you! Someone has to be the pessimist right?  .

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

From what I was able to learn... the rankings where:

Plattsburgh
Oswego
NYU
Rochester
St. John Fisher
Cortland

[magicman]

I do listen to both of you! Someone has to be the pessimist right?  .

OK, it's now a matter of record. You are officially the SUNYAC pessimist from here on out. 

[magicman]

From what I was able to learn... the rankings where:

Plattsburgh
Oswego
NYU
Rochester
St. John Fisher
Cortland

Thanks Dave,

I had a good feeling that Oswego was going to jump over St. John Fisher, NYU, and Rochester. It just made sense. I would have put Rochester ahead of NYU because Rochester would have a better record than NYU if they played that easy non-conference schedule that the Violets did. I was pretty sure that Cortland would crack the rankings as well since the SUNYAC champs usually are ranked. With the automatic bid in hand it didn't really matter but they deserved to be ranked.

So the East has to get 4 Pool C bids in order for Rochester to get in. That might be a stretch. It will be interesting to see which regions get short changed for that to happen.