MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference

magicman · February 21, 2009, 08:30:30 PM

Brockport out to early 20-12 lead over Geneseo with 11:04 left in the 1st half. Gens Scott Morton scores 1st 2 pts of the game and then commits 2 fouls in 55 seconds and goes to the bench with only 1:52 gone in the 1st half. Just what the Blue Knights needed. Probable POY sitting in most crucial game of season.

magicman · February 21, 2009, 09:07:38 PM

Geneseo down 27-17 with 8:53 left in 1st half fights back to take the lead 31-30, but Brockport's Shawn Harris hits a pair of 3 pointers and the Eagles go into the break up 36-33. Morton ended up playing 9 mins and has 6 pts, 8 rebounds and 3 assists. Fortunately Morton did not pick up another foul yet. Kyle Stevens with 11 pts and 5 boards for the Knights. Harris with 11 pts and Jermaine Johnson with 8 for the Eagles.

magicman · February 21, 2009, 09:19:02 PM

Fredonia drops visiting Cortland 71-68 and finishes conference play at 10-6 to claim the 5th seed in the playoffs. Cortland finishes 8-8 and drops in back of Potsdam who ended with a 9-7 record.

magicman · February 21, 2009, 09:26:18 PM

Brockport up 68-60 with 6:33 left to play.

magicman · February 21, 2009, 09:42:06 PM

Brockport closes in on final playoff berth. Up 80-70 with 1:15 left.

magicman · February 21, 2009, 09:59:36 PM

Quote from: franelia on February 21, 2009, 10:10:25 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 20, 2009, 11:47:08 PM
jdex or bear help me out here,

A week ago I said the top 5 teams could all end up 11-5. That's not going to happen but if Geneseo loses tomorrow night at Brockport, then there will be 4 teams tied at 11-5. Head to head doesn't work since Oneonta beat Buff St. Geneseo beat Oswego and Oneonta, Oswego beat Oneonta twice, Buff St beat Geneseo and Oswego twice. So I'm thinking it's whoever has the best record against the other three teams they are tied with. Geneseo is 3-1 against the other 3 teams and Buff St is 3-1 against the other 3 teams. Oswego is 2-4 and Oneonta is 1-3. Would that leave just Geneseo and Buff St.? And since Buff St owns a win in the only game against Geneseo, then Buff St. would win the regular season crown. This is crazy!!!

Magicman,

I think you're partially correct on your analysis. In a four-way tie, if I remember correctly, you first look at head-to-head vs. all the tied teams. This puts Geneseo and Buffalo St. each at 3-1, like you mentioned.

However, I don't think you go back to head-to-head once two teams are pulled out from the first step. You continue on with the next step, which is how did teams do vs. each team down the list (in this case, starting with #5, then #6, etc.). I think Geneseo wins this regardless of whether #5 is just Fredonia (if they beat Cortland today) or if #5 is a combination of Fredonia-Potsdam-Cortland (if Cortland wins at Fredonia).

Again, my analysis is totally unofficial - I'm just doing this off the top of my head after reading the tiebreaker rules a few days ago. The league will obviously announce the official pairings once the smoke clears. But from what I can tell, we're looking at 1) Gen, 2) Buff St., 3) Oswego and 4) Oneonta regardless of the Geneseo-Brockport outcome today.

Fran

Fran,

I think you are correct because I seem to remember it that way as well. But I kept reading things like Geneseo has to win tonight and it made me wonder why they had to win if the tiebreaker is what we think it is. Now that Fredonia is the 5th seed and Geneseo was 1-1 against them and Buff St. was 0-2 against Fredonia I guess Geneseo wins that tiebreaker.

magicman · February 21, 2009, 10:01:53 PM

Final score Brockport 86 Geneseo 81. Brockport clinches 8th seed with a 7-9 record.

Mychal Wilkes leads the Golden Eagles with 20 pts on 6x12 fgs 3x8 3's 5x7 fts and 6 rebounds. Ian Mack with 12 pts on perfect 5x5 fgs and 2x2 fts. Jermaine Johnson also 12 pts and Shawn Harris with 11 pts all in the 1st half. Eagles shot 29x57 fg's 10x23 3's and 22x31 fts.

Geneseo's Kyle Stevens was the game's high scorer with 22 pts on 8x12 fgs 5x7 3's and 8 rebounds. Scott Morton had 20 pts on 4x11 fg's 3x6 3's 9x12 fts along with game high 12 boards and 7 assists. Jeff Howe and Mike Hoy added 13 pts each.
Knights 24x50 fg's 9x18 3's and 24x33 fts

thebear · February 21, 2009, 10:12:44 PM

SUNYAC Standings are showing
Buff State
Geneseo
Oneonta
Oswego

That happens to be alphabetical order, so we anxiously await the pairings, Hoping you folks are right and Oswego is the 3 seed. Bears don't match up well with Oneonta.

Magic - sorry about the Cards, so close & yet so far away

dex - Dragons late season collapse is troubling, I had them as my odds-on preseason chalk pick. Too much talent to be the 7 seed.

kudo's to Corts women who staged a monumental second half comeback today, down 15 at half, came back to win by 10
due some love in the national polls.

Noticed Simpson did not play for Geneseo. IMHO after Morton, he's their next best player, and certainly most athletic.
Geneseo is not as good a team without him.

FranElia · February 21, 2009, 10:14:28 PM

Magicman,

I just checked - the league tiebreaker does start with the 4-way head-to-head. Teams that are still tied after that go to the "how you did vs. the next team down the list, etc." tiebreaker, which means Geneseo should be #1 (by being 1-1 vs. #5 Fredonia) and Buffalo St. should be #2 (by being 0-2 vs. #5 Fredonia). Geneseo and Buffalo St. are not compared in a 2-way head-to-head since the tie for first was a four-team tie, not a two-team tie. The "head-to-head" component of the tiebreaker, therefore, has Geneseo and Buffalo St. even at 3-1.

The official word, of course, will come from the SUNYAC, but my unofficial take on this has 1) Gen, 2) Buff St., 3) Oswego, 4) Oneonta, 5) Fredonia, 6) Potsdam, 7) Cortland and 8 ) Brockport.

magicman · February 21, 2009, 10:33:11 PM

Quote from: franelia on February 21, 2009, 10:14:28 PM
Magicman,

I just checked - the league tiebreaker does start with the 4-way head-to-head. Teams that are still tied after that go to the "how you did vs. the next team down the list, etc." tiebreaker, which means Geneseo should be #1 (by being 1-1 vs. #5 Fredonia) and Buffalo St. should be #2 (by being 0-2 vs. #5 Fredonia). Geneseo and Buffalo St. are not compared in a 2-way head-to-head since the tie for first was a four-team tie, not a two-team tie. The "head-to-head" component of the tiebreaker, therefore, has Geneseo and Buffalo St. even at 3-1.

The official word, of course, will come from the SUNYAC, but my unofficial take on this has 1) Gen, 2) Buff St., 3) Oswego, 4) Oneonta, 5) Fredonia, 6) Potsdam, 7) Cortland and 8 ) Brockport.

Fran,

That's what I come up with as well.

magicman · February 21, 2009, 10:49:28 PM

Bear,

Thanks for the sympathy concerning the Cardinals. The good thing about living in a SUNYAC city and having one's alma mater as another SUNYAC school is I still have something to root for. GO BEARS!!!

I had also picked Cortland to win the conference this year.

Kudos to Buff St. 0-6 in 2008, 14-4 in 2009. Fredonia comes back to haunt them again in the tiebreaker(we think!!)

I will go out on a limb and predict the Cardinals will return as a conference power next year. At least in the top 3 of the YAC

magicman · February 21, 2009, 11:03:26 PM

Scooterman,

You should play golf tomorrow. You're so pumped because your Eagles made the playoffs, you'll probably reach all the par 5's in 2 and shoot under par.(Which would probably be a first

).

Seriously though, Congrats to the Eagles. They had a tough row to hoe, but won 4 straight to edge out my Cards. Looks like you'll get Geneseo again on Tuesday. Not often you get to play a team 4 times in a season. Because your Eagles won by 5 tonight and you lost the other 2 games against Geneseo by 2 pts and 1 pt you at least have outscored them in head to head play. Good Luck.

thebear · February 22, 2009, 02:19:21 AM

Quote from: magicman on February 21, 2009, 10:49:28 PM
Bear,

I will go out on a limb and predict the Cardinals will return as a conference power next year. At least in the top 3 of the YAC

thebear · February 22, 2009, 02:20:10 AM

Quote from: magicman on February 21, 2009, 10:49:28 PM
Bear,

Thanks for the sympathy concerning the Cardinals. The good thing about living in a SUNYAC city and having one's alma mater as another SUNYAC school is I still have something to root for. GO BEARS!!!

. . .

I will go out on a limb and predict the Cardinals will return as a conference power next year. At least in the top 3 of the YAC

thebear · February 22, 2009, 02:29:13 AM

Quote from: magicman on February 21, 2009, 10:49:28 PM
Bear,

Thanks for the sympathy concerning the Cardinals. The good thing about living in a SUNYAC city and having one's alma mater as another SUNYAC school is I still have something to root for. GO BEARS!!!
. . .snip. . .

I will go out on a limb and predict the Cardinals will return as a conference power next year. At least in the top 3 of the YAC

That's right, I forgot that we share that common bond as graduates of the oldest (and finest IMHO) unit of the State University.

I agree that the young Cards are a scary thought. The nucleus is there, Brooks, Ruiz, Daniyan, and Mader should keep rival coaches awake at night. Playing college defense takes time, and/or maturity, last year Wms, Gorham, & co were men!. Curle's ability to mine the juco ranks should work in his favor.

Conference just gets tougher as this years four way tie illustrates, take 16 wins out of the pool (No Morrisville in '10) and it gets even tougher.

I'm hoping your crystal ball gazing is right. I have to fly out of Syracuse Wednesday AM, and my wife's sister lives in Oswego, so I have convinced the wife to go see her sister, and drop me at Laker Hall (a house of horrors for the Bears of late) on the way.