MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference

[magicman]

Newsflash... Massey reads his emails!

Buff State 7-2 ranked #71 (jumped 33 places) in Massey (thought we'd be higher but it beats #112)

Glad to hear that. Was getting tired of seeing the Bengals with a 5-2 record and ranked below New Jersey City and Lehman. Now if only he hadn't dunked my Cardinals who were in the mid 50's after their 2 wins in Florida and have sunk into the 84th position without even playing or losing any games since then. Cards were the 2nd highest ranked SUNYAC team and now they are the 5th ranked YAC team. All due to the losses their opponents have suffered over the past 2 weeks.  

[All-Time]

Plattsburgh hanging tough. Down 4 with 7 minutes to play.
What happened to Richardson? I see a bandage on his left hand.
With Richardson Plattsburgh beats up on Trinity.

[All-Time]

Gritty performance by Plattsburgh to beat Trinity.
I will let the Magicman give you all the details.
The Magic Wand was definitely in the house.

[with age came?]

OMG   -  I take a couple of weeks off thinking everyone is off on semester break and I have to read 71 pages in their entirety .....what a "lost soul of d3 hoops" am I?!  The YAC is tough - no doubt about it!!  Happy New Year to all of the usual suspects!!!  Thanks for bringing me back to the land of the informed!!??!!

[amh63]

Watched almost all the Cardinals''  win over the Bantams.  The last 2-3 minutes were revealing.  Do not understand the player moves by the HC of Trinity over that period.  Remember the first year he entered the league.  I sat with his wife's family on the Amherst side of the game....seems the top guard for Amherst is family.
Anyway, if Plattsbugh plays the rest of the season with the same energy, good chance that Amherst will meet Plattsburgh in the post season.

[magicman]

New D3hoops Top 25 has been released and the SUNYAC gets 3 teams with some votes.

Oswego State jumps back into the Top 25. The Lakers, after making a brief appearance in Week 1 at # 25 and falling out in Week 2 are back with their highest placement this season as they check in at #20. They received 88 points and outpointed #21 Scranton by a single point.

Buffalo State on the basis of 2 big wins last week over the NJAC leaders New Jersey City, and the CUNYAC leaders Lehman, have moved into the Others Receiving Votes with 6 points and 51st position. Interesting that Brooklyn College, who lost to the Lehman team that Buffalo State defeated, at Lehman 82-73, gets 69 points and the  #24 spot while the Bengals only get 6 points. Stockton of the NJAC has more points than the Bengals do also, yet Buff State has less losses and is only 3 points from a perfect season. The Bengals also own a win over #20 Oswego State. I believe the Bengals have a better case for a Top 25 ranking than Brooklyn College does.

Geneseo still getting a little love in the Others Receiving Votes category as well as they check in with double their output of the last poll. They are now back up to 2 points.

NYU continues to be the top rated team in the East as they gain 36 points over the last poll going from 279 to 315, yet they drop down several places to 14th place from the #12 spot. That doesn't usually happen.

Lancaster Bible, out of the NEAC conference and in Pennslyvania, but in the East Region, continues to impress the voters as they are in 26th place with 52 points and sit just outside the Top 25 in the Others Receiving Votes. They are still undefeated at 8-0 and continue to receive support, despite their weak schedule and conference, based on that 94-66 pounding they laid on #17 Franklin and Marshall back on 11-21-15.

St. John Fisher, as high as #10 in Week 1, now has a 6-3 record and is no longer receiving any support and has dropped out of the poll completely after their latest loss to Oneonta back on December 13th.         

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

New D3hoops Top 25 has been released and the SUNYAC gets 3 teams with some votes.

Oswego State jumps back into the Top 25. The Lakers, after making a brief appearance in Week 1 at # 25 and falling out in Week 2 are back with their highest placement this season as they check in at #20. They received 88 points and outpointed #21 Scranton by a single point.

Buffalo State on the basis of 2 big wins last week over the NJAC leaders New Jersey City, and the CUNYAC leaders Lehman, have moved into the Others Receiving Votes with 6 points and 51st position. Interesting that Brooklyn College, who lost to the Lehman team that Buffalo State defeated, at Lehman 82-73, gets 69 points and the  #24 spot while the Bengals only get 6 points. Stockton of the NJAC has more points than the Bengals do also, yet Buff State has less losses and is only 3 points from a perfect season. The Bengals also own a win over #20 Oswego State. I believe the Bengals have a better case for a Top 25 ranking than Brooklyn College does.

Not sure you can look at just two teams out of maybe 50-70 being consider by voters in the Top 25 and say one team has a better case than another. I don't think I have ever looked at just two teams to make a decision... many teams are involved.

And I think you may not appreciate Brookyln's schedule with wins over Case Western Reserve (UAA school is a UAA school), New Jersey City, William Paterson, and Staten Island. They also have a tough loss to Lehman and an interesting result against Albertus Magnus. Common opponents off the top of my head (not looking at Buff's schedule) and it's 1-1 for Brooklyn and 2-0 for Buffalo State.

Considering Brooklyn was getting points to be ranked and Buffalo State wasn't getting any points... not sure you can just awesome (edit: should be "assume") a swap.

NYU continues to be the top rated team in the East as they gain 36 points over the last poll going from 279 to 315, yet they drop down several places to 14th place from the #12 spot. That doesn't usually happen.

Happens more often then you actually think or notice. Many don't look at the points - at least you did that. It's more about what's going on around NYU and the massive amount of movement in the three weeks since the last poll.

That all being said, I am not voting for NYU and I am not sure why anyone is drinking the Kool-Aid. They have basically played no one. They have a win over the one team on their schedule worth nothing (edit: should be "noting"): Arcadia. Otherwise, nothing. Too often voters give NYU love in the early, out-of-conference season and then NYU disappears once conference season starts. I would be shocked if NYU is even getting points by the time January is over (if not far sooner).

Lancaster Bible, out of the NEAC conference and in Pennslyvania, but in the East Region, continues to impress the voters as they are in 26th place with 52 points and sit just outside the Top 25 in the Others Receiving Votes. They are still undefeated at 8-0 and continue to receive support, despite their weak schedule and conference, based on that 94-66 pounding they laid on #17 Franklin and Marshall back on 11-21-15.

Another team, I'm not voting for... but here may be why they are getting love: there are clearly voters buying in with F&M (again, I am not). If they are... they have a loss against Lancaster Bible that is monstrous and unexplained... unless they also vote for LB. I'm not saying that's the case... just a theory... but it's one that is based on knowing what goes on in a Top 25 voter's mind. I am sure there are voters who are high on F&M and if they are, they need to vote for a team that manhandled them even if it was on 11/21. LB will get more and more love if they roll through their conference, stay undefeated, and that win over F&M starts looking bigger and bigger.

[pg04]

Dave basically destroyed all the teams in my futures tournament picks. 

[magicman]

New D3hoops Top 25 has been released and the SUNYAC gets 3 teams with some votes.

Oswego State jumps back into the Top 25. The Lakers, after making a brief appearance in Week 1 at # 25 and falling out in Week 2 are back with their highest placement this season as they check in at #20. They received 88 points and outpointed #21 Scranton by a single point.

Buffalo State on the basis of 2 big wins last week over the NJAC leaders New Jersey City, and the CUNYAC leaders Lehman, have moved into the Others Receiving Votes with 6 points and 51st position. Interesting that Brooklyn College, who lost to the Lehman team that Buffalo State defeated, at Lehman 82-73, gets 69 points and the  #24 spot while the Bengals only get 6 points. Stockton of the NJAC has more points than the Bengals do also, yet Buff State has less losses and is only 3 points from a perfect season. The Bengals also own a win over #20 Oswego State. I believe the Bengals have a better case for a Top 25 ranking than Brooklyn College does.

Not sure you can look at just two teams out of maybe 50-70 being consider by voters in the Top 25 and say one team has a better case than another. I don't think I have ever looked at just two teams to make a decision... many teams are involved.

And I think you may not appreciate Brookyln's schedule with wins over Case Western Reserve (UAA school is a UAA school), New Jersey City, William Paterson, and Staten Island. They also have a tough loss to Lehman and an interesting result against Albertus Magnus. Common opponents off the top of my head (not looking at Buff's schedule) and it's 1-1 for Brooklyn and 2-0 for Buffalo State.

Considering Brooklyn was getting points to be ranked and Buffalo State wasn't getting any points... not sure you can just awesome a swap.

NYU continues to be the top rated team in the East as they gain 36 points over the last poll going from 279 to 315, yet they drop down several places to 14th place from the #12 spot. That doesn't usually happen.

Happens more often then you actually think or notice. Many don't look at the points - at least you did that. It's more about what's going on around NYU and the massive amount of movement in the three weeks since the last poll.

That all being said, I am not voting for NYU and I am not sure why anyone is drinking the Kool-Aid. They have basically played no one. They have a win over the one team on their schedule worth nothing: Arcadia. Otherwise, nothing. Too often voters give NYU love in the early, out-of-conference season and then NYU disappears once conference season starts. I would be shocked if NYU is even getting points by the time January is over (if not far sooner).

Lancaster Bible, out of the NEAC conference and in Pennslyvania, but in the East Region, continues to impress the voters as they are in 26th place with 52 points and sit just outside the Top 25 in the Others Receiving Votes. They are still undefeated at 8-0 and continue to receive support, despite their weak schedule and conference, based on that 94-66 pounding they laid on #17 Franklin and Marshall back on 11-21-15.

Another team, I'm not voting for... but here may be why they are getting love: there are clearly voters buying in with F&M (again, I am not). If they are... they have a loss against Lancaster Bible that is monstrous and unexplained... unless they also vote for LB. I'm not saying that's the case... just a theory... but it's one that is based on knowing what goes on in a Top 25 voter's mind. I am sure there are voters who are high on F&M and if they are, they need to vote for a team that manhandled them even if it was on 11/21. LB will get more and more love if they roll through their conference, stay undefeated, and that win over F&M starts looking bigger and bigger.

Dave,

I know that gaining points and dropping in the polls isn't a rarity and it's dependant on the teams around you. I just think it's a little unusual when you gain 36 points and drop 2 places.  I agree with you on your decision to not vote for NYU. It seems like every year the same thing happens. The Violets play a bunch of teams with less than stellar records in a number of less than stellar conferences, build up a nice looking 11-1 (2013-14) or 9-1 (2012-13) or 9-0 (2011-12) record and then get roughed up when the UAA starts.

Also agree on your decision to pass on Lancaster Bible for the reasons you stated. I believe if they played in one of the 3 major East Region Conferences they would be hard pressed to make the conference playoffs in any of them.

I said it was interesting that Brooklyn College got as many points as they did and Buffalo State got so few. I know that Buffalo State had no prior mention in the Top 25 poll and therefore will have to slowly climb their way up that ladder. Frankly I was a little surprised they even got 6 votes. I think that they deserve more but I believe I know a bit more about this team than the average Top 25 voter does, so naturally I have a stronger opinion on that matter than you do, Dave. I was just trying to make a point that the Bengals are only 3 points from an undefeated season, and have some quality wins.

Brooklyn College has played a decent schedule, I agree. Not impressed with the Case Western Reserve win though. Case has won 6 games and 5 of those were teams with a losing record. The combined won-loss of those 5 losing teams is 11-43.

The SUNYAC has 7 decent teams this year and I don't think that Oswego State is the best of them. Those 7 teams will, as usual, beat up on each other and the long road trips that necessitate travel from one end of the state to the other will take their toll. I hope that 2 teams can emerge from the battles so that we may get a Pool C bid this year in addition to the automatic bid to our conference champion. I think the SUNYAC is the dominant league in the East Region. Our top 7 teams have gone 39-7 in their non-conference DIII games. I think that will stack up nicely against most any other conference.           

[magicman]

Plattsburgh State 81  Trinity (Conn.) 73

The fact that the Cardinals won this game without their leading scorer and rebounder is kind of magical in and of itself. When you take 20 points and 12 rebounds out of play against a team that was ranked as high as 15th in the country earlier this season, you would be hard pressed to come away with a W.

The starting 5 that the Cardinals opened up this game with, due to some unforeseen circumstances, had a combined points per game average that totaled a whopping 22.3. No, that's not a typo...it was 22.3 ppg. They ended up scoring 34 points and 1 player, Ed Correa had 20 of those. But oh what a job the bench did, even if it was a loaded bench. 47 points came off the pine led by the X-Man, Xavier Thomas, with 12 points, none of which were bigger than the 2 he scored with the shot clock winding down and only 27 seconds left in the game. To set the stage for that shot....the Cardinals were clinging to a 2 point 75-73 lead and only 56  seconds remained in the game, after Trinity's Jaquann Starks had scored, was fouled and sank the free throw, to narrow a 5 point lead down to 2. With those 56 seconds left the Bantams didn't need to foul, they just needed a stop, and they almost got it when the Cardinals came down, worked the ball around, and had their shot blocked with 5 seconds on the shot clock. The ball went out of bounds but off a Trinity player so the Cards retained possession but had little time to get a quality shot up. The inbounds pass went to Thomas and after several dribbles he launched a mid range jumper from just behind the foul line. Nothing but net and the Cardinals were up 77-73 with 27 ticks left. The Bantams fired up a 3 point attempt with 17 seconds remaining which failed to go down and when Plattsburgh grabbed the rebound this one was all but over. Eli Bryant hit 4 straight free throws down the stretch to add to the final margin of victory.

I said Plattsburgh was going to win this game by a 75-72 final score and with 27 seconds left and the score 77-73 I was right in the ballpark. The 2 late meaningless fouls just gave the Cardinals 4 more points that they didn't really need.

Truth be told... if I had been near a computer when Coach Curle told me that Kyle Richardson was injured and wouldn't be suiting up tonight I would have changed my prediction in a heartbeat. But during warmups before the game started I looked at all the young talent on this team and thought that we could pull this off if these guys don't get into a deep hole in the opening 10 minutes. Players needed to step up and tonight was as good a time as any.

And step up they did right after the opening bell. Trinity raced out to a 6-0 lead on a layup, 2 free throws and a dunk all by their #1 big man Ed Ogundeko. Ed Correa countered for Plattsburgh with an old fashioned 3 point play to get the Cardinals on the board and 40 seconds later he buried the first of his 4 three pointers to tie the game up. It would be just one of 3 ties and 4 lead changes in the opening period. The Cardinals fell behind by 4 points and spent the next 6 minutes playing catch up and finally caught the Bantams on a Majestic Griggg layup with 13:25 to go. After Trinity missed a 3 pointer on their next possession Correa hit his 2nd three pointer that gave Plattsburgh its first lead of the night at 17-14. The Cardinals would keep that lead and expand it, to as much as 9 points at 33-24, with 6:25 to play, before the Bantams began a counter attack that was fueled by 5 straight points from Rick Naylor and another 3 pointer from Chris Turnbull.  The Cards lead was down to 1 point and Turnbull erased that with a jumper with 3 minutes left. The teams traded baskets and were tied at 39 when the Bantams got a layup from Shay Ajayi with 2 seconds left to grab a 41-39 edge at the half.

Several lead changes and a tie took place early after the half started but the Bantams took control with an Ogundeko layup, a triple by Naylor and a dunk by Ajayi, to open up a 52-46 lead with 15 minutes left in the game. Trinity continued to lead and increased it to their largest of the night at 60-52 with 9:39 showing on the clock. The Cardinals got within 2 at 66-64 with 4:34 left but Ogundeko scored inside again and the Cards turned it over as the X-man dribbled the ball off his foot. Trinity missed from long range and the Cards came down and went to the X-man who redeemed himself with an awesome move in the paint to pull the Cards within 2 points again. Trinity's Ajayi tried an inside move but Plattsburgh's Chris Middleton was there to swat it away. Trinity retained possession but misfired on another 3 point attempt. Thomas grabbed the rebound and fired it to Correa who didn't misfire on his 3 pointer and the Cards had the lead for the first time in over 13 minutes at 69-68. Ogundeko put the Bantams in front again seconds later with another power move inside, but the Card's Middleton came down and made a drive to the hoop and dropped one in from a nearly impossible angle. After the teams traded misses the Cards Ian Howard was fouled grabbing a defensive rebound and calmly made both free throws extending the lead to 73-70 for Plattsburgh. Seconds later Howard stole the ball and anther jumper by Correa made it a 75-70 lead setting the stage for the dramatic finish. Starks made his 3 point play to cut the lead to 2 and the X-man entered to nail his jumper with time running out on the shot clock, which proved to be the definitive play of the night.

Plattsburgh's Ed Correa led all scorers with 20 points (7x17 fg, 4x11 3's 2x4 ft), 3 assists and 3 rebounds.

Xavier Thomas had 12 points, (5x10 fg, 0x1 3's, 2x5 ft) 8 rebounds, 2 blocks and 1 assist.

And then there were those freshman that I said had to step up.

Chris Middleton had 9 points, 3x4 fg, 1x1 3's, 2x2 ft), 3 blocks, and 2 rebounds in 17 minutes. The 9 points and 3 blocks are season high totals

Ian Howard had 8 points, (2x5 fg, 4x5ft), 5 rebounds and 2 steals in 18 minutes, a season high in points, rebounds and minutes on the court.

Jonathan Patron had 6 points, (3x7 fg,) and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes

Brandon Johnson had 6 points (1x2 fg, 4x5 ft) and 2 blocks in 15 minutes all of which were season highs.

Isaiah Johnson had 4 points (2x4 fg) and 4 rebounds in 11 minutes. The 4 rebounds were a season high.

So the freshman stepped up with a total of 33 points, 14 rebounds, 5 blocks, and 2 steals.

That doesn't include sophomore Eli Bryant a first year player for the Cards who scored 8 points with 4x4 shooting from the line. Eli also had 3 assists, 3 rebounds, and a steal in 18 minutes.   

The program is in good hands I think.

The Cardinals outshot the Bantams from the field by 43.9 % (29x66) to 36.6% (26x71)
They also were a little better from the line going 18x25 (72%) to 13x19 (68.4 %) for Trinity.
Trinity was better from long range as they hit 8x26 (30.8%) to Plattsburgh's 5x19 (26.3%).

Plattsburgh lost the battle of the boards by a 48-41 margin but only had 9 turnovers to 15 for Trinity. In the first half Trinity went 7x16 from long distance and the Plattsburgh coaching staff adressed that at halftime. The Bantams only went 1x10 from beyond the arc in the 2nd period. That was a major reason Plattsburgh won this game. The Bantams didn't handle the press well, that the Cardinals employed in the final 3 minutes of the game, either.

Trinity got a big game from Ed Ogundeko who had a double-double with 19 points (8x13 fg, 3x5 ft) and a game high 17 rebounds. Shay Ajayi had 13 points (5x9 fg, 3x5 ft) with 5 rebounds. Rick Naylor had 11 points and Joquann Starks had 10.

Plattsburgh State improves to 7-2 overall (2-0 conference) and will be back in action on Friday, January 8th at 7:30 PM  when they host Fredonia State. Buffalo State follows the Blue Devils into Memorial Hall at 4:00 PM on Saturday the 9th.
                               

[Bengalsrule]

New D3hoops Top 25 has been released and the SUNYAC gets 3 teams with some votes.

Oswego State jumps back into the Top 25. The Lakers, after making a brief appearance in Week 1 at # 25 and falling out in Week 2 are back with their highest placement this season as they check in at #20. They received 88 points and outpointed #21 Scranton by a single point.

Buffalo State on the basis of 2 big wins last week over the NJAC leaders New Jersey City, and the CUNYAC leaders Lehman, have moved into the Others Receiving Votes with 6 points and 51st position. Interesting that Brooklyn College, who lost to the Lehman team that Buffalo State defeated, at Lehman 82-73, gets 69 points and the  #24 spot while the Bengals only get 6 points. Stockton of the NJAC has more points than the Bengals do also, yet Buff State has less losses and is only 3 points from a perfect season. The Bengals also own a win over #20 Oswego State. I believe the Bengals have a better case for a Top 25 ranking than Brooklyn College does.

Not sure you can look at just two teams out of maybe 50-70 being consider by voters in the Top 25 and say one team has a better case than another. I don't think I have ever looked at just two teams to make a decision... many teams are involved.

And I think you may not appreciate Brookyln's schedule with wins over Case Western Reserve (UAA school is a UAA school), New Jersey City, William Paterson, and Staten Island. They also have a tough loss to Lehman and an interesting result against Albertus Magnus. Common opponents off the top of my head (not looking at Buff's schedule) and it's 1-1 for Brooklyn and 2-0 for Buffalo State.

Considering Brooklyn was getting points to be ranked and Buffalo State wasn't getting any points... not sure you can just awesome a swap.

NYU continues to be the top rated team in the East as they gain 36 points over the last poll going from 279 to 315, yet they drop down several places to 14th place from the #12 spot. That doesn't usually happen.

Happens more often then you actually think or notice. Many don't look at the points - at least you did that. It's more about what's going on around NYU and the massive amount of movement in the three weeks since the last poll.

That all being said, I am not voting for NYU and I am not sure why anyone is drinking the Kool-Aid. They have basically played no one. They have a win over the one team on their schedule worth nothing: Arcadia. Otherwise, nothing. Too often voters give NYU love in the early, out-of-conference season and then NYU disappears once conference season starts. I would be shocked if NYU is even getting points by the time January is over (if not far sooner).

Lancaster Bible, out of the NEAC conference and in Pennslyvania, but in the East Region, continues to impress the voters as they are in 26th place with 52 points and sit just outside the Top 25 in the Others Receiving Votes. They are still undefeated at 8-0 and continue to receive support, despite their weak schedule and conference, based on that 94-66 pounding they laid on #17 Franklin and Marshall back on 11-21-15.

Another team, I'm not voting for... but here may be why they are getting love: there are clearly voters buying in with F&M (again, I am not). If they are... they have a loss against Lancaster Bible that is monstrous and unexplained... unless they also vote for LB. I'm not saying that's the case... just a theory... but it's one that is based on knowing what goes on in a Top 25 voter's mind. I am sure there are voters who are high on F&M and if they are, they need to vote for a team that manhandled them even if it was on 11/21. LB will get more and more love if they roll through their conference, stay undefeated, and that win over F&M starts looking bigger and bigger.

Dave,

I know that gaining points and dropping in the polls isn't a rarity and it's dependant on the teams around you. I just think it's a little unusual when you gain 36 points and drop 2 places.  I agree with you on your decision to not vote for NYU. It seems like every year the same thing happens. The Violets play a bunch of teams with less than stellar records in a number of less than stellar conferences, build up a nice looking 11-1 (2013-14) or 9-1 (2012-13) or 9-0 (2011-12) record and then get roughed up when the UAA starts.

Also agree on your decision to pass on Lancaster Bible for the reasons you stated. I believe if they played in one of the 3 major East Region Conferences they would be hard pressed to make the conference playoffs in any of them.

I said it was interesting that Brooklyn College got as many points as they did and Buffalo State got so few. I know that Buffalo State had no prior mention in the Top 25 poll and therefore will have to slowly climb their way up that ladder. Frankly I was a little surprised they even got 6 votes. I think that they deserve more but I believe I know a bit more about this team than the average Top 25 voter does, so naturally I have a stronger opinion on that matter than you do, Dave. I was just trying to make a point that the Bengals are only 3 points from an undefeated season, and have some quality wins.

Brooklyn College has played a decent schedule, I agree. Not impressed with the Case Western Reserve win though. Case has won 6 games and 5 of those were teams with a losing record. The combined won-loss of those 5 losing teams is 11-43.

The SUNYAC has 7 decent teams this year and I don't think that Oswego State is the best of them. Those 7 teams will, as usual, beat up on each other and the long road trips that necessitate travel from one end of the state to the other will take their toll. I hope that 2 teams can emerge from the battles so that we may get a Pool C bid this year in addition to the automatic bid to our conference champion. I think the SUNYAC is the dominant league in the East Region. Our top 7 teams have gone 39-7 in their non-conference DIII games. I think that will stack up nicely against most any other conference.         

Plus k Magicman !  I'm gonna buy you a drink this weekend ( if I make it to plattsburgh).  If not you got 1 coming this summer!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

New D3hoops Top 25 has been released and the SUNYAC gets 3 teams with some votes.

Oswego State jumps back into the Top 25. The Lakers, after making a brief appearance in Week 1 at # 25 and falling out in Week 2 are back with their highest placement this season as they check in at #20. They received 88 points and outpointed #21 Scranton by a single point.

Buffalo State on the basis of 2 big wins last week over the NJAC leaders New Jersey City, and the CUNYAC leaders Lehman, have moved into the Others Receiving Votes with 6 points and 51st position. Interesting that Brooklyn College, who lost to the Lehman team that Buffalo State defeated, at Lehman 82-73, gets 69 points and the  #24 spot while the Bengals only get 6 points. Stockton of the NJAC has more points than the Bengals do also, yet Buff State has less losses and is only 3 points from a perfect season. The Bengals also own a win over #20 Oswego State. I believe the Bengals have a better case for a Top 25 ranking than Brooklyn College does.

Not sure you can look at just two teams out of maybe 50-70 being consider by voters in the Top 25 and say one team has a better case than another. I don't think I have ever looked at just two teams to make a decision... many teams are involved.

And I think you may not appreciate Brookyln's schedule with wins over Case Western Reserve (UAA school is a UAA school), New Jersey City, William Paterson, and Staten Island. They also have a tough loss to Lehman and an interesting result against Albertus Magnus. Common opponents off the top of my head (not looking at Buff's schedule) and it's 1-1 for Brooklyn and 2-0 for Buffalo State.

Considering Brooklyn was getting points to be ranked and Buffalo State wasn't getting any points... not sure you can just awesome a swap.

NYU continues to be the top rated team in the East as they gain 36 points over the last poll going from 279 to 315, yet they drop down several places to 14th place from the #12 spot. That doesn't usually happen.

Happens more often then you actually think or notice. Many don't look at the points - at least you did that. It's more about what's going on around NYU and the massive amount of movement in the three weeks since the last poll.

That all being said, I am not voting for NYU and I am not sure why anyone is drinking the Kool-Aid. They have basically played no one. They have a win over the one team on their schedule worth nothing: Arcadia. Otherwise, nothing. Too often voters give NYU love in the early, out-of-conference season and then NYU disappears once conference season starts. I would be shocked if NYU is even getting points by the time January is over (if not far sooner).

Lancaster Bible, out of the NEAC conference and in Pennslyvania, but in the East Region, continues to impress the voters as they are in 26th place with 52 points and sit just outside the Top 25 in the Others Receiving Votes. They are still undefeated at 8-0 and continue to receive support, despite their weak schedule and conference, based on that 94-66 pounding they laid on #17 Franklin and Marshall back on 11-21-15.

Another team, I'm not voting for... but here may be why they are getting love: there are clearly voters buying in with F&M (again, I am not). If they are... they have a loss against Lancaster Bible that is monstrous and unexplained... unless they also vote for LB. I'm not saying that's the case... just a theory... but it's one that is based on knowing what goes on in a Top 25 voter's mind. I am sure there are voters who are high on F&M and if they are, they need to vote for a team that manhandled them even if it was on 11/21. LB will get more and more love if they roll through their conference, stay undefeated, and that win over F&M starts looking bigger and bigger.

Dave,

I know that gaining points and dropping in the polls isn't a rarity and it's dependant on the teams around you. I just think it's a little unusual when you gain 36 points and drop 2 places.  I agree with you on your decision to not vote for NYU. It seems like every year the same thing happens. The Violets play a bunch of teams with less than stellar records in a number of less than stellar conferences, build up a nice looking 11-1 (2013-14) or 9-1 (2012-13) or 9-0 (2011-12) record and then get roughed up when the UAA starts.

Also agree on your decision to pass on Lancaster Bible for the reasons you stated. I believe if they played in one of the 3 major East Region Conferences they would be hard pressed to make the conference playoffs in any of them.

I said it was interesting that Brooklyn College got as many points as they did and Buffalo State got so few. I know that Buffalo State had no prior mention in the Top 25 poll and therefore will have to slowly climb their way up that ladder. Frankly I was a little surprised they even got 6 votes. I think that they deserve more but I believe I know a bit more about this team than the average Top 25 voter does, so naturally I have a stronger opinion on that matter than you do, Dave. I was just trying to make a point that the Bengals are only 3 points from an undefeated season, and have some quality wins.

Brooklyn College has played a decent schedule, I agree. Not impressed with the Case Western Reserve win though. Case has won 6 games and 5 of those were teams with a losing record. The combined won-loss of those 5 losing teams is 11-43.

The SUNYAC has 7 decent teams this year and I don't think that Oswego State is the best of them. Those 7 teams will, as usual, beat up on each other and the long road trips that necessitate travel from one end of the state to the other will take their toll. I hope that 2 teams can emerge from the battles so that we may get a Pool C bid this year in addition to the automatic bid to our conference champion. I think the SUNYAC is the dominant league in the East Region. Our top 7 teams have gone 39-7 in their non-conference DIII games. I think that will stack up nicely against most any other conference.         

First off, I had a couple of mad misprints in my first go-around. "Awesome" should have been "assume." "Nothing" should have been "noting." I went back and fixed those... they were poorly placed. Blame the sleep derivation.

I honestly think Lancaster Bible is a pretty good team and there are many who think they can finish the season undefeated. They are worth following. I just need to see them get into the meat of the conference before I buy in.

Buffalo State is probably worth getting more love, but man they are probably one of 70 teams on my radar. It is ridiculous this season how deep the pool is this season. Parity is unreal.

As for the points, that is what I was talking about. It isn't as rare as you think to gain points and fall spots. Usually that is a sign of the Top2 5 consolidating a bit with the voters (less teams getting votes or more agreement on the Top 10, 15, whatever amongst the voters. It isn't an often occurrence, but I think I see it happen a few times a year and this time of year is a popular time to see it.

The SUNYAC does look much stronger this year, but two or three teams can't afford to fall into the "beating up" of the conference if the conference and region hopes to get at-large bids and succeed in the NCAA tournament. Too much beating up in conference is a sign of a strong conference from top to bottom (argue whether good, bad, or middle of the road), but not a sign the conference should get extra bids.

Dave basically destroyed all the teams in my futures tournament picks. 

Sorry... not sorry?

[magicman]

Massey Ratings updated again.

Plattsburgh State jumps from the 84th spot backup to the 51st position after beating Trinity last night. Trinity went from the low 50's up to #86. Basically Trinity and Plattsburgh swapped positions.

Oswego now #49
Plattsburgh #51     We went from 2nd to 5th without playing a game and now back to 2nd after winning 1 game
Cortland #63
Geneseo #64
Buffalo State #67  up a few spots since yesterday's big jump
Oneonta #85
Brockport #95

Other East Region teams of note:
Staten Island          #25   Not an East Region team but wanted to keep track of them due to win over Lehman by the Bengals
NYU                       #26
Brooklyn College     #35   Not East Region but tracking for same reason as above
Richard Stockton     #36    Ditto
Central Iowa           #41   Ditto  Team that Oneonta beat in Puerto Rico.
Lancaster Bible        #45   Overrated
Trinity (Conn)         #86   Plattsburgh victim
Ithaca                    #102
St John Fisher         #108
New Jersey City      #130  Buffalo St victim
Skidmore               #136
Hartwick                #164 Oneonta victim
Middlebury              #165  beat Plattsburgh may be improving
RPI                         #171
Rochester                #174
St Lawrence             #184
Hobart                     #196     Buffalo St. victim
Stevens Tech            #206
RIT                          #216
Vassar                      #231
Nazareth                   #234

Put these on here so I can see where they were if they make a move up the rankings. 
   

[magicman]

Four conference games on tap for Tuesday

I'll do the afternoon game first and come back for the night games later.

Cortland State  at    New Paltz State      4:00 PM

This game pits the top of the standings with the bottom of the standings. Two teams headed in opposite directions as Cortland comes into this game with an 8-1 record versus the Hawks with a 1-7 log. New Paltz could have gained a 2nd win the other night against Kean but the accident involving the New Paltz players caused that game to be cancelled. I don't know which three New Paltz players were involved in that accident but have heard that two of them have been cleared to play with one remaining in the hospital.

Cortland is fresh off a double digit win over Medaille on Saturday Jan 2nd, while the Hawks are bound to be a bit rusty having been off since a December 8th loss to Springfield.   

Even at full strength the Hawks are up against it here facing a solid Cortland team. The oddsmakers have made Cortland a 13 point road favorite. The Red Dragons should win by more than that, but as noted before, have a tendency to allow lesser teams to skate with them. Red Dragons are 7-3 against the Hawks over the past 5 years but one of those 3 Hawk wins came last year and it was the main reason that Cortland didn't make the SUNYAC tournament. Another Hawk win came against the vaunted 24-5 Cortland team of 2012-13, that made it to the Sweet 16. So nothing is a given.  Still I'll take Cortland in this one by an 84-65 final score.     

[Bengalsrule]

New D3hoops Top 25 has been released and the SUNYAC gets 3 teams with some votes.

Oswego State jumps back into the Top 25. The Lakers, after making a brief appearance in Week 1 at # 25 and falling out in Week 2 are back with their highest placement this season as they check in at #20. They received 88 points and outpointed #21 Scranton by a single point.

Buffalo State on the basis of 2 big wins last week over the NJAC leaders New Jersey City, and the CUNYAC leaders Lehman, have moved into the Others Receiving Votes with 6 points and 51st position. Interesting that Brooklyn College, who lost to the Lehman team that Buffalo State defeated, at Lehman 82-73, gets 69 points and the  #24 spot while the Bengals only get 6 points. Stockton of the NJAC has more points than the Bengals do also, yet Buff State has less losses and is only 3 points from a perfect season. The Bengals also own a win over #20 Oswego State. I believe the Bengals have a better case for a Top 25 ranking than Brooklyn College does.

Not sure you can look at just two teams out of maybe 50-70 being consider by voters in the Top 25 and say one team has a better case than another. I don't think I have ever looked at just two teams to make a decision... many teams are involved.

And I think you may not appreciate Brookyln's schedule with wins over Case Western Reserve (UAA school is a UAA school), New Jersey City, William Paterson, and Staten Island. They also have a tough loss to Lehman and an interesting result against Albertus Magnus. Common opponents off the top of my head (not looking at Buff's schedule) and it's 1-1 for Brooklyn and 2-0 for Buffalo State.

Considering Brooklyn was getting points to be ranked and Buffalo State wasn't getting any points... not sure you can just awesome a swap.

NYU continues to be the top rated team in the East as they gain 36 points over the last poll going from 279 to 315, yet they drop down several places to 14th place from the #12 spot. That doesn't usually happen.

Happens more often then you actually think or notice. Many don't look at the points - at least you did that. It's more about what's going on around NYU and the massive amount of movement in the three weeks since the last poll.

That all being said, I am not voting for NYU and I am not sure why anyone is drinking the Kool-Aid. They have basically played no one. They have a win over the one team on their schedule worth nothing: Arcadia. Otherwise, nothing. Too often voters give NYU love in the early, out-of-conference season and then NYU disappears once conference season starts. I would be shocked if NYU is even getting points by the time January is over (if not far sooner).

Lancaster Bible, out of the NEAC conference and in Pennslyvania, but in the East Region, continues to impress the voters as they are in 26th place with 52 points and sit just outside the Top 25 in the Others Receiving Votes. They are still undefeated at 8-0 and continue to receive support, despite their weak schedule and conference, based on that 94-66 pounding they laid on #17 Franklin and Marshall back on 11-21-15.

Another team, I'm not voting for... but here may be why they are getting love: there are clearly voters buying in with F&M (again, I am not). If they are... they have a loss against Lancaster Bible that is monstrous and unexplained... unless they also vote for LB. I'm not saying that's the case... just a theory... but it's one that is based on knowing what goes on in a Top 25 voter's mind. I am sure there are voters who are high on F&M and if they are, they need to vote for a team that manhandled them even if it was on 11/21. LB will get more and more love if they roll through their conference, stay undefeated, and that win over F&M starts looking bigger and bigger.

Dave,

I know that gaining points and dropping in the polls isn't a rarity and it's dependant on the teams around you. I just think it's a little unusual when you gain 36 points and drop 2 places.  I agree with you on your decision to not vote for NYU. It seems like every year the same thing happens. The Violets play a bunch of teams with less than stellar records in a number of less than stellar conferences, build up a nice looking 11-1 (2013-14) or 9-1 (2012-13) or 9-0 (2011-12) record and then get roughed up when the UAA starts.

Also agree on your decision to pass on Lancaster Bible for the reasons you stated. I believe if they played in one of the 3 major East Region Conferences they would be hard pressed to make the conference playoffs in any of them.

I said it was interesting that Brooklyn College got as many points as they did and Buffalo State got so few. I know that Buffalo State had no prior mention in the Top 25 poll and therefore will have to slowly climb their way up that ladder. Frankly I was a little surprised they even got 6 votes. I think that they deserve more but I believe I know a bit more about this team than the average Top 25 voter does, so naturally I have a stronger opinion on that matter than you do, Dave. I was just trying to make a point that the Bengals are only 3 points from an undefeated season, and have some quality wins.

Brooklyn College has played a decent schedule, I agree. Not impressed with the Case Western Reserve win though. Case has won 6 games and 5 of those were teams with a losing record. The combined won-loss of those 5 losing teams is 11-43.

The SUNYAC has 7 decent teams this year and I don't think that Oswego State is the best of them. Those 7 teams will, as usual, beat up on each other and the long road trips that necessitate travel from one end of the state to the other will take their toll. I hope that 2 teams can emerge from the battles so that we may get a Pool C bid this year in addition to the automatic bid to our conference champion. I think the SUNYAC is the dominant league in the East Region. Our top 7 teams have gone 39-7 in their non-conference DIII games. I think that will stack up nicely against most any other conference.         

First off, I had a couple of mad misprints in my first go-around. "Awesome" should have been "assume." "Nothing" should have been "noting." I went back and fixed those... they were poorly placed. Blame the sleep derivation.

I honestly think Lancaster Bible is a pretty good team and there are many who think they can finish the season undefeated. They are worth following. I just need to see them get into the meat of the conference before I buy in.

Buffalo State is probably worth getting more love, but man they are probably one of 70 teams on my radar. It is ridiculous this season how deep the pool is this season. Parity is unreal.

As for the points, that is what I was talking about. It isn't as rare as you think to gain points and fall spots. Usually that is a sign of the Top2 5 consolidating a bit with the voters (less teams getting votes or more agreement on the Top 10, 15, whatever amongst the voters. It isn't an often occurrence, but I think I see it happen a few times a year and this time of year is a popular time to see it.

The SUNYAC does look much stronger this year, but two or three teams can't afford to fall into the "beating up" of the conference if the conference and region hopes to get at-large bids and succeed in the NCAA tournament. Too much beating up in conference is a sign of a strong conference from top to bottom (argue whether good, bad, or middle of the road), but not a sign the conference should get extra bids.

Dave basically destroyed all the teams in my futures tournament picks. 

Sorry... not sorry?

Did I ever say how much I like Dave???   plus k!!