NCAA Tournament

[troutman]

Whats a fodder(that does upset me)

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

I took the regional rankings and the conference leaders to "if the season ended today" determine the field of 64.  The east coast isn't too hard to figure out, but the further south and west you go gets hard, with that 500 mile rule, teams aren't that close together.  I told myself, forget it, let Pat Coleman and his team figure it out

Guy,

Are you gonna bless us with what you came up with? It would be great fodder for discussion (and to upset Troutman).

I gave up and deleted it all (Central-Great Lakes region was tough).  I didn't have much of a plan going into it.  I really want to wait to see the SOS numbers before I proceed with at least attempting something serious.

Troutman might get upset.  Gallaudet will probably end up playing one of the top teams in the their bracket in the first round.

[Pat Coleman]

Well, they would probably play someone with whom they'd be evenly matched in the first round. As a four right now, theoretically they'd play a five in the opening game, then a one. It doesn't always work out because of geography but that's the basics.

[troutman]

Pat, If we messed up and lost out conf title game do you think we would still get in the ncaa turny?

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

Where are these regional rankings?  I know the team I support is where they are expected to be still, but there couldn't have been a huge shake-up on women's side for there to be this much of a delay from the men's rankings.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

I took the regional rankings and the conference leaders to "if the season ended today" determine the field of 64.  The east coast isn't too hard to figure out, but the further south and west you go gets hard, with that 500 mile rule, teams aren't that close together.  I told myself, forget it, let Pat Coleman and his team figure it out

Guy,

Are you gonna bless us with what you came up with? It would be great fodder for discussion (and to upset Troutman).

Ok I have put together a bracket of 64 teams based on the last regional rankings.  We wanted fodder for discussion it be coming very shortly.  I did my best to limit my travel under 500 miles.  I think there was maybe 4-5 teams that were affected by it. Mostly those teams out west.

I will post a bracket set of 16 and either edit my post to add other teams or wait a little later to see the debates roll out  Then post again.  

First 16 teams

Teams in bold host the 3 teams below.  I will not post seeds, but you should be able to figure it out. (Sounds like the NCAA).  If you want to know i will be glad to give you what you want.  Top 4 seeds are in bold. 

Lebanon

Emmanuel

Galluadet

Messiah

CNU

Scranton

Johns Hopkins

Mary Washington

Greensboro

Maryville

Gettysburg

Bridgewater

Rochester

Neumann

Louisiana College

Western CT

Louisiana College only one that has to travel over 500 miles

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

ILL Wesleyan

St. Norbert

Denison

U of Chicago

Hope

Mount Union

UW-La Crosse

DePauw

Thomas More

Wis-Luther

UW-Whitewater

Hanover

UW-Stevens

St Thomas

Calvin College

Washington U

Sorry lost track of time....

#3

Amherst

Husson

Cortland St

Richard Stockton

Juanita

Union

William Patterson

Misericordia

Medaile

Daniel Webster

Babson

Ithaca

Bowdoin

Westfield State

Colby

Widener

#4 One with a bunch of travel and seeds playing not exactly the 1v16, 4v13 standard.

Kean

Salve Regina

Williams

Randolph-Macon

Champan

Puget sound

Lewis Clark

Redlands

Coe

Westminster

Simpson

Minn-Morris

Mount St Mary's

Baruch

Genesco st

Wartburg

[gadk]

GuyFormerlyPSBBG,  I will be sure to check how close you come with the NCAA bracket

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

Well this will be updated each week with the regional rankings coming out and I would like to post newer ones each week until the end of the season. I want to try and get one posted Sunday the night before selection.  Pat Coleman and staff usually have what they think too, before the brackets come out on the d3hoops site.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/

[WLCALUM83]

Let me throw this one out there:  Does Wisconsin Lutheran absolutely have to win out in the NAthCon tournament in order to get into NCAA?

[deiscanton]

Let me throw this one out there:  Does Wisconsin Lutheran absolutely have to win out in the NAthCon tournament in order to get into NCAA?

I will give a full answer later, but in short, Wisconsin Lutheran should not count on Chicago winning at Wash U on Saturday, Feb. 26.    A Wash U victory over Chicago on Feb. 26 vaults the Bears back into the top 6 in the Central rankings regardless of whether or not Wisconsin Lutheran wins the NathCon tournament.  Count on Wash U winning out their remaining home games vs Brandeis and Chicago-- the Bears rarely lose a UAA game at the Wash U Field House.  

The situation with Wisconsin Lutheran being ranked ahead of Wash U in the Central regional rankings has caused some discussion in the Pool C and UAA forums.....

I'd rather see Wisconsin Lutheran win the NathCon tournament to make the NCAAs-- congratulations on Wisconsin Lutheran's school record for program wins.  

(Afternoon update-- at 5:44 PM Eastern-- after seeing (via on-line video stream, of course) WLC play Dominican (IL) today-- on the road at Dominican-- (battle of the top 2 teams in the conference) and seeing the Warriors put on that come-from-behind gutsy rallying performance led by Erika Laete's career high 50 points-- WLC deserves a spot in the NCAA field....  Wash U will just have to keep on winning....)

[Ralph Turner]

Let me throw this one out there:  Does Wisconsin Lutheran absolutely have to win out in the NAthCon tournament in order to get into NCAA?

I will give a full answer later, but in short, Wisconsin Lutheran should not count on Chicago winning at Wash U on Saturday, Feb. 26.    A Wash U victory over Chicago on Feb. 26 vaults the Bears back into the top 6 in the Central rankings regardless of whether or not Wisconsin Lutheran wins the NathCon tournament.  Count on Wash U winning out their remaining home games vs Brandeis and Chicago-- the Bears rarely lose a UAA game at the Wash U Field House. 

The situation with Wisconsin Lutheran being ranked ahead of Wash U in the Central regional rankings has caused some discussion in the Pool C and UAA forums.....

I'd rather see Wisconsin Lutheran win the NathCon tournament to make the NCAAs-- congratulations on Wisconsin Lutheran's school record for program wins. 

WLC will have to lose to get into Pool C.  That loss alone might drop WLC below WashU.

Wash U is not going to have a post-season tourney loss.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/

[Ralph Turner]

Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/

Women's rankings

As of Sunday, these are the projections for Pool C.  The leading team in the conference is awarded the Pool A status.  Pool A bids are stricken.  Pool C bids are in bold.  Chapman is the only ranked Pool B team and will get the bid.  (Yes, upsets have already happened.)

Atlantic
1. Kean 19-1 22-3   NJAC
2. Mount Saint Mary (New York) 23-2 23-2  SKY
3. William Paterson 20-3 21-3      NJAC
4. Baruch 20-4 21-5  CUNYAC
5. Gallaudet 21-2 23-2    NEAC
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5    CAC

Central
1. Illinois Wesleyan 17-3 20-4   CCIW
2. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 23-2 23-2   WIAC
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater 17-5 20-5   WIAC
4. Wisconsin-La Crosse 18-6 19-6 WIAC
5. Chicago 21-3 21-3   UAA has awarded the  Pool A bid
6. Washington U. St. Louis 17-3 20-4   UAA

East
1. Rochester (New York) 17-5 19-5  UAA
2. SUNY Geneseo 20-2 22-3  SUNYAC
3. Medaille 21-3 21-3   AMCC
4. Ithaca 18-4 19-6    E8
5. Oneonta State 18-5 19-6   SUNYAC
6. Keuka 21-2 22-2    NEAC

Great Lakes
1. Thomas More 24-0 25-0  Pres AC
2. Hope 22-1 24-1  MIAA
3. Denison 23-0 25-0   NCAC
4. Hanover 22-1 23-1  HCAC
5. Calvin 17-1 21-4   MIAA
6. DePauw 19-2 22-3   SCAC

Mid-Atlantic
1. Lebanon Valley 23-2 23-2  MACC
2. Juniata 19-3 19-6  LAND
3. Johns Hopkins 20-4 20-4   CC
4. Messiah 18-5 18-6                MACC
5. Muhlenberg 19-5 19-5  CC
6. Gettysburg 18-6 19-6   CC

Northeast
1. Amherst 24-1 24-1  NESCAC
2. Bowdoin 21-3 21-4   NESCAC
3. Colby 19-4 21-4   NESCAC
4. Williams 19-4 21-4   NESCAC
5. Babson 23-0 25-0   NEWMAC
6. Western Connecticut State 21-3 21-3   LEC
7. Eastern Connecticut State 18-5 18-7    LEC
8. Bates 15-7 17-8       NESCAC
9. Tufts 17-6 18-6        NESCAC  
10. Southern Maine 16-7 16-9    LEC

South
1. Greensboro 23-1 24-1   USAS
2. Louisiana College 21-2 21-1   ASC
3. Christopher Newport 20-3 20-3   USAS
4. Randolph-Macon 19-4 19-3           ODAC
5. Maryville (Tennessee) 21-2 17-6    GSAC
6. Bridgewater (Virginia) 20-3 20-4    ODAC

West
1. Coe 21-3 22-3     IIAC
2. Lewis & Clark 16-3 20-5   NWC
3. George Fox 15-3 20-5  NWC
4. Chapman 14-3 20-5   IND
5. Simpson 18-4 20-5   IIAC
6. Wartburg 20-4 21-4   IIAC


EDITED to correct Denison's league affiliation...dc