BB: General West Region Discussion

[tigerfan_2001]

most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.

Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.

[El Hombre]

I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.

not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.

[Ralph Turner]

I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.

not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.

Travel costs.  The only region that needs plane flights is the West.

D-3 owes vurtually all of its monies, including the expansion from 3 Pool C baseball bids to the current 15 or so, to the D1 March Madness contract.

The baseball and men's basketball teams are roughly comparable in their distribution of teams.  The same conferences have AQ's with the exception of the UAA, the CUNYAC, and the Empire 8, which do not have the AQ in baseball.  You can look at the challenges for bracketing a men's basketball playoff and baseball and they are about the same.

[ILVBB]

Crash:

You are a baseball fan (so am I). The only problem is that the NCAA does not have baseball fans. After last season's nightmare in terms of planning and execution by the NCAA at the west regional, I can only assume that they would rather shrink the tournament rather than expand it.

But it is always nice to dream!

[CrashDavisD3]

I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.

not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.

One year they did place a West team in another Regional. That year 2 teams were in Appleton WI winning Regionals

Linfield AND Chapman

[El Hombre]

I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.

not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.

Travel costs.  The only region that needs plane flights is the West.

D-3 owes vurtually all of its monies, including the expansion from 3 Pool C baseball bids to the current 15 or so, to the D1 March Madness contract.

The baseball and men's basketball teams are roughly comparable in their distribution of teams.  The same conferences have AQ's with the exception of the UAA, the CUNYAC, and the Empire 8, which do not have the AQ in baseball.  You can look at the challenges for bracketing a men's basketball playoff and baseball and they are about the same.

Are the UAA, CUNYAC, and E8 the only conferences without AQ's?  What about the NECC and UMAC?  Weren't they part of the Pool B teams in the past? 

[macdade77]

Good analysis.... Wooster had 18 days off between the NCAC tourney and the Mid-East Regional. Averaged 13 runs a game in the conference tourney and scored 8 runs in two games at Marietta. It certainly behooves teams to close the gap between the end of the regular season and NCAA tourney play. 4-5 days or a week seems optimum......... pitchers get rested and hitters stay sharp!!

[CrashDavisD3]

I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.

not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.

Travel costs.  The only region that needs plane flights is the West.

D-3 owes vurtually all of its monies, including the expansion from 3 Pool C baseball bids to the current 15 or so, to the D1 March Madness contract.

The baseball and men's basketball teams are roughly comparable in their distribution of teams.  The same conferences have AQ's with the exception of the UAA, the CUNYAC, and the Empire 8, which do not have the AQ in baseball.  You can look at the challenges for bracketing a men's basketball playoff and baseball and they are about the same.

Are the UAA, CUNYAC, and E8 the only conferences without AQ's?  What about the NECC and UMAC?  Weren't they part of the Pool B teams in the past?  

My first guess at Pool B will be 25 27 schools, as 2 3 Pool B bids as, Johnny U suggests.

(I don't think that the access ratio will be 9 of above.)

Central Region:  (3)
Univ. of Chicago(IND)
Nebraska Wesleyan(IND)
Washington U St Louis (UAA)

Mid-Atlantic:  (1)
Lancaster Bible  (IND)

Mideast:  (2)
Case Western Reserve (UAA)
Finlandia(IND)

Midwest:  (0 1)  
North Central U MN (IND)
UMAC goes to Pool A.

New England:  (8  2)
Brandeis (UAA)
U Maine-Presque Isle(IND)

NECC to Pool A
Becker (NECC)
Daniel Webster (NECC)
Elms (NECC)
Lesley New for 2011 (NECC)
Mitchell (NECC)  
Newbury (NECC)
Southern Vermont (NECC)

New York:  (10)
Baruch (CUNYAC)
City College of New York  (CUNYAC)
Ithaca (E8)
John Jay (CUNYAC)
Lehman  (CUNYAC)
Rochester Institute of Technology (E8)
St John Fisher (E8)
College of Staten Island (CUNYAC)
Stevens Tech (E8)
Utica (E8)
St Joseph's (IND)* (Provisional Yr #3)

South:  (6)
Emory (UAA)
Huntingdon (GSAC)
LaGrange (GSAC)
Maryville (GSAC)
Piedmont (GSAC)
Rust(IND)

West:  (4 2)
Chapman(IND)
Univ of Dallas(IND)
Menlo (IND)  Moved to NAIA in 2011
La Sierra(IND) Moved to NAIA in 2011

Man, I love it when a really talented and inquisitive fan can double-check me and find changes, e.g., the new full members for 2011, that I missed.  It means that we are building a corps of strong knowledgeable D3fans who enjoy baseball!  Thanks Johnny U,  +1!

[Tarheel0550]

most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.

Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.

Your weather might have been in the 60s but I know in the N-west it was in the 20s and 30s not baseball weather.College baseball in general does not provide any revenue to the schools and in fact can be a drain on the school if they dont have revenue producing sports like basketball and football.I dont believe there are as many d3 schools out west with the close proximity to other D3 schools as there are in the east also.There are almost no NAIA schools around the east anymore as I think there are more out west ,meaning from say mid west to west.D3 baseball in the east is a much better product than D2 baseball in the east and many schools would compete well at the D1 level.Coach T Sinicki from Binghamton University has said he wouldnt want to play Cortland State in a best of 5 series,after that the pitching depth of the D1 schools would probably make the diff.in a best of 7 series.

[tigerfan_2001]

most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.

Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.

Your weather might have been in the 60s but I know in the N-west it was in the 20s and 30s not baseball weather.College baseball in general does not provide any revenue to the schools and in fact can be a drain on the school if they dont have revenue producing sports like basketball and football.I dont believe there are as many d3 schools out west with the close proximity to other D3 schools as there are in the east also.There are almost no NAIA schools around the east anymore as I think there are more out west ,meaning from say mid west to west.D3 baseball in the east is a much better product than D2 baseball in the east and many schools would compete well at the D1 level.Coach T Sinicki from Binghamton University has said he wouldnt want to play Cortland State in a best of 5 series,after that the pitching depth of the D1 schools would probably make the diff.in a best of 7 series.

but what does that have to do with anything when it comes to baseball in texas.  you asked about freezing temps and i said we haven't had them here.  we have to finish our season before finals, leaving a 3 week break.  we would love to schedule a school or two to play if we are going to a regional, but who would that be?

[Tarheel0550]

most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.

Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.

Your weather might have been in the 60s but I know in the N-west it was in the 20s and 30s not baseball weather.College baseball in general does not provide any revenue to the schools and in fact can be a drain on the school if they dont have revenue producing sports like basketball and football.I dont believe there are as many d3 schools out west with the close proximity to other D3 schools as there are in the east also.There are almost no NAIA schools around the east anymore as I think there are more out west ,meaning from say mid west to west.D3 baseball in the east is a much better product than D2 baseball in the east and many schools would compete well at the D1 level.Coach T Sinicki from Binghamton University has said he wouldnt want to play Cortland State in a best of 5 series,after that the pitching depth of the D1 schools would probably make the diff.in a best of 7 series.

but what does that have to do with anything when it comes to baseball in texas.  you asked about freezing temps and i said we haven't had them here.  we have to finish our season before finals, leaving a 3 week break.  we would love to schedule a school or two to play if we are going to a regional, but who would that be?

I forgot Texas is the only state in the west with baseball,my bad. As far as finishing finals that early it sounds like that is something most of the schools out west and N-West do ,Why?I was also never given an answer on how its possible to be game ready on the first LEGAL day and week of  NCAA practice.I know teams that started playing and was wondering how?Are there different rules for the teams on the left coast?

[CrashDavisD3]

most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.

Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.

Your weather might have been in the 60s but I know in the N-west it was in the 20s and 30s not baseball weather.College baseball in general does not provide any revenue to the schools and in fact can be a drain on the school if they dont have revenue producing sports like basketball and football.I dont believe there are as many d3 schools out west with the close proximity to other D3 schools as there are in the east also.There are almost no NAIA schools around the east anymore as I think there are more out west ,meaning from say mid west to west.D3 baseball in the east is a much better product than D2 baseball in the east and many schools would compete well at the D1 level.Coach T Sinicki from Binghamton University has said he wouldnt want to play Cortland State in a best of 5 series,after that the pitching depth of the D1 schools would probably make the diff.in a best of 7 series.

but what does that have to do with anything when it comes to baseball in texas.  you asked about freezing temps and i said we haven't had them here.  we have to finish our season before finals, leaving a 3 week break.  we would love to schedule a school or two to play if we are going to a regional, but who would that be?

I forgot Texas is the only state in the west with baseball,my bad. As far as finishing finals that early it sounds like that is something most of the schools out west and N-West do ,Why?I was also never given an answer on how its possible to be game ready on the first LEGAL day and week of  NCAA practice.I know teams that started playing and was wondering how?Are there different rules for the teams on the left coast?

One school in the WEST got used to taking finals either at the Hotel Lobby, Dugouts, baseball stands since they were still playing baseball when finals took place. Some had to wait until June to take finals  for a few instructors who will hold out.

[CrashDavisD3]

17.2.2 Preseason Practice. A member institution shall not commence practice sessions in baseball before
the following dates:
(b) Nontraditional Segment. For an institution that conducts its nontraditional segment in the fall, September
7 or the institution's first day of classes for the fall term, whichever is earlier. For an institution that conducts
its nontraditional segment in the spring, February 1

[infielddad]

Tarheel0550,
You are referring to the DI uniform start date for practice and trying to apply it to D3. It does not apply.  
There is no NCAA uniform start date for D3 baseball, which is why games start at different times regionally  and practices start at different points regionally.

[Tarheel0550]

Crash thanks for info I knew there was a date for starting times I just couldnt find it ,and I knew it had something to do with the starting times of classes.This is what I was referring to Infield Dad,not the DI rule which was changed because it gave a distinct advantage to Southern and West coast teams over teams from colder climates.As for taking exams in odd places well?I know some of the New England schools and some SUNYAC schools were done with finals before conference tourney was played.If you lost you went back to dorm packed up and went home.I feel that this is an issue and some type of uniform date should be inacted.Like some of you have said it can be tough to have a 2 or 3 week layoff before regionals,this would only benefit your programs I would think,so why are some of the responders to my question so aghast that I would mention a change?