NABC Awards Banquet

[fcnews]

For those that may be interested. Tonites NABC Guardians Dinner will be re broadcasted tomorrow evening at 6pm (Central), on CBS College Network.

[Hugenerd]

For those that may be interested. Tonites NABC Guardians Dinner will be re broadcasted tomorrow evening at 6pm (Central), on CBS College Network.

Awards recipients include Blake Griffen, Tom Izzo, and, of course, Jimmy Bartolotta.

[fcnews]

Along with Fontbonne's Coach McKinney and Wash U's Coach Edwards.

[Hugenerd]

Wabash head basketball coach Mac Petty will also be given an award.

[Gregory Sager]

I prefer Pat's awards banquet. I don't like the way that the NABC awards banquet portions out the dessert equally to each region's representatives.

[fcnews]

Greg - I think any exposure is good exposure, when it comes to D3. You may not like the process, but at least the kids get some other attention. It is the coaches who vote.

[thundermike]

I prefer Pat's awards banquet. I don't like the way that the NABC awards banquet portions out the dessert equally to each region's representatives.

Greg - I think any exposure is good exposure, when it comes to D3. You may not like the process, but at least the kids get some other attention. It is the coaches who vote.

I think Mr. Sager's post was intended to be humorous... which it is if I am interpreting it correctly

[fcnews]

Your right Thundermike. My Bad. As a past member of the NABC I get tired of their awards getting ripped.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Your right Thundermike. My Bad. As a past member of the NABC I get tired of their awards getting ripped.

As long as they insist that all regions are equal, they deserve all the ripping they get.

Not condemning the people (teams) they select as bad, but there ARE more deserving people (teams) if they would only recognize quality across the nation.  The d3.com awards clearly have more merit.

And (contrary to many) I think coaches are among the worst selectors: they know better than most about the teams they face, but have no time to follow the teams they don't face.  Why would a (for example) NESCAC coach know diddly about a WIAC, CCIW, or ASC player or team?

[fcnews]

I guess we should just propose that all awards, other then d3.com, be abolished. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

I guess we should just propose that all awards, other then d3.com, be abolished. 

Now don't go getting all huffy on me!

But awards allocated by regions, by voters who may know nothing about players outside their regions, are a little suspect.

I honor players who receive other awards, but admit I think d3.com awards are the 'gold standard'.

[Hugenerd]

I, for one, put the most merit and weight in the d3news post season awards.  Any publication that spells at least 90% of the players' names correctly and has complete transparency by not explaining any of their methodology gets my vote. 

But in all seriousness, d3hoops.com does the absolute best they can at trying to weigh all teams and players across the nation objectively, but they are not immune to some of the same issues you are arguing against the NABC.  The NABC may have coaches vote on all their polls, but the regional d3hoops voting is done by that regions SIDs.  This is a better system than having SIDs vote on the entire nation, but it still puts teams that are geographically isolated from their conference at a disadvantage.  For example, Carnegie Mellon and Case Western are the only UAA teams in the Great Lakes, while other conferences, like the OAC, NCAC, MIAA, PrAC, and the AMCC have all their members voting.  I am sure there are other cases, but I just used this as an example.  At least the NABC clearly states their methodology (that is, a coaches or coaches panel vote).  All these polls are subjective to some degreee, because the votes are being made by people based on their perception of a players skill, but as long as it is clear how the selection is made, I have no problem with it.  It is tough when a player you would like does not get selected (I would have liked Ryan Einwag to be selected to a Great Lakes team, for example), but you have to deal with the results given the framework.  Just like the OWP/OOWP, you may think that it is a flawed system, but the fact is that there is no easy fix and both d3hoops and NABC have defined a selection process and stick to it.

[CCIWchamps]

I guess we should just propose that all awards, other then d3.com, be abolished. 

Now don't go getting all huffy on me!

But awards allocated by regions, by voters who may know nothing about players outside their regions, are a little suspect.

I honor players who receive other awards, but admit I think d3.com awards are the 'gold standard'.

Say more about this... isn't it good that people in a region only vote on people in their region? 

[fcnews]

Now that I have actual access to a computer. If I knew starting this topic would result in dredging up the same old crap, I would have saved my effort. After, it was announced, that the show would be re-broadcast I thought some of the posters and viewers might enjoy watching the D3 honorees.

Some of the coaches I did recognize as coming from D3 institutions.

My personal congrats to.

Mark Edwards - D3 Coach of the year
Pillar Award for Advocacy - Mike Turner - Albion

NABC Honor Awards

Lee McKinney - Fontbonne
Steve Moore - Wooster
Brian Baptiste - UM-D
Mark Edwards - Wash U.
Dick Whitmore - Colby

I hope I didn't miss anyone. But, it's possible. I'm not perfect. I sure won't start this thread next year.

I'm done with this topic. It was a great evening for those in attendance.

[Pat Coleman]

I guess we should just propose that all awards, other then d3.com, be abolished. 

Now don't go getting all huffy on me!

But awards allocated by regions, by voters who may know nothing about players outside their regions, are a little suspect.

I honor players who receive other awards, but admit I think d3.com awards are the 'gold standard'.

Say more about this... isn't it good that people in a region only vote on people in their region? 

It is -- however, the fact that all regions get the same number of people on the team, whether it's the 30-some team East and Atlantic, the Northeast (double the size) or the Midwest/West/Great Lakes (where the best teams in Division III are most years) makes it open to ridicule.

Isn't it possible some years that more than one Midwest player should be on the first team? Or some years, more than one Northeast player, or some years more than one East player? There's no possibility of that with the NABC All-American team.

However, I have no problem with their Coach of the Year selection and their awards for milestone wins (the honor awards cited by fcnews). It's just where they try to appease all regions that they go wrong.