MBB: University Athletic Association

[fcnews]

Yes, NCAA rep. Either way, Martin's comments are way of base.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Lighten up, guys - Martin was joking (note the  , and the even worse 'trashing' of the CCIW when I replied to him in kind).  I think Greg had the much more appropriate response to Martin's (self-mocking) 'elitism'.

[pantherpride06]

I'd agree with my SLIAC colleagues on this one.  There's to riff between Wash. U and SLIAC schools.  Yes, I believe Chris Bunch as the NCAA Rep at the Wash. U regional last year, which most of the SLIAC posters attended as a conglomerate.  Joking or not, those sorts of statements need to be follow by some facts to back up your claim.  That's a great way to seriously get a riff between Wash. U and the SLIAC.  I think all the St. Louis schools and Greenville compete with Wash. U annually in many sports.  Greenville, for instance, always plays them in baseball, softball, track/field, and occasionally regular season basketball or pre-season scrimmage.

This is not an all-out attack on Martin, just watch how you make claims and who it affects.

[hopefan]

I recognized Martin's comment as a joke, but it does leave a wrong impression to non local readers  -  the SLIAC is what it is -small private schools who attract mostly local kids looking for a small school environment.  Wash U  does obviously not fit into that catagory.  There is a tremendous amount of respect flowing to each other from each other...  Wash U doesn't belong in the SLIAC just like they don't belong in in the Missouri system of Division 2 schools.

I doubt that anyone associated with Wash U would refer to the SLIAC as "rabble"..

[sully309]

Lighten up, guys - Martin was joking (note the  , and the even worse 'trashing' of the CCIW when I replied to him in kind).  I think Greg had the much more appropriate response to Martin's (self-mocking) 'elitism'.

I must respectfully disagree with this view.  The " " wasn't until after and martin may have thought he could get away with that jab thinking SLIAC posters wouldn't read this board. Whatever the case, as has ben mentioned before, I think Wash U's non-conference schedule says a lot about the vilidity of this claim, if in fact I can call it that.

[Mr. Ypsi]

hopefan,

And Martin, of course, has no connection to Wash U - maybe he should have quit while he was 'ahead' with 'trashing' the MWC and CCIW!

SLIAC friends,

Re-read all the posts and see if it doesn't come off as an 'inferiority complex' (IMO, totally unnecessarily), rather than a 'hatchet job' by Martin.  It was a joke, with the main target being the MWC (then the CCIW after I riposted him).

Martin,

I've tried to get your back, but I'd like to remain on good terms with the SLIAC guys.  From here on out, you're on your own!  (Well, maybe once more, if you admit that UC's real motivation was less 'peer institutions' than fear of consistent bottom-half finishes in the CCIW! )

[And, of course, jabs at 'Wheaties' can't hurt your case! ]

[y_jack_lok]

Joke or not, it was the use of the word "rabble" that is at the core of my objection to martin's post. We SLIAC fans know we are not on the same level as UAA schools, so we graciously accept our conference's inferiority without having a "complex". I go to many Wash U games because we are fortunate that their conference games are on Fridays and Sundays while the SLIAC conference games are on Wednesdays and Saturdays. I root for Wash U when they play any team but a SLIAC team. I even have friends, both of whose kids attend Augustana, but I was rooting for Wash U when they played Augie.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Understood, but he said the same about the MWC (none of whom complained, or [more likely] perhaps none of them read the board), and, after I jabbed him back, he said "I got the impression that the CCIW had an even higher rabble content than the MWC. "

What I found hard to believe in your post is confirmation of the old vaudeville joke: we don't have an inferiority complex, we really are inferior.  C'mon, y_jack!  Their students may come in with better test scores (and their parents with fatter wallets) and their teams may (usually) beat yours on the athletic fields, but don't you dare say they do a better job of taking kids from wherever they begin to becoming whatever a college can help them become!  If SLIAC schools ever cave in to that, they may as well close their doors.

This is starting to weird me out - how'd I set myself up to simultaneously be the defender of Martin, the booster of SLIAC schools, and the guy whose karma is dropping like a rock?   But (the devil made me do it ) that rooting for Wash U vs. the heathens from Rock Island - how'd that turn out for ya?!

[fcnews]

The SLIAC is one of the youngest conferences. Our schools may not have the long tradition, like others. But, we do enjoy our basketball and are very protsctive of how it may be perceived. FU, for one will put it's graduation rate of athletes up against anyone. And several of our departments rank in the top of their field nationally (ie: Deaf Ed, Speech Pathology, Finance, ect....). I'm not defending Yjak's stance. I don't have to. It's just that every year about this time, we're referred to as "Bottom Feeders" and our AQ is called into question. It's just a case of circling the wagons and should not be taken as anything else.

[Hugenerd]

Speaking of rabble, hasnt this conversation been dragged on long enough? 

There are 4 conference games tomorrow, none as intriguing as the Friday matchup between 1 and 3, but there could be some pretty good games.

[y_jack_lok]

What I found hard to believe in your post is confirmation of the old vaudeville joke: we don't have an inferiority complex, we really are inferior.  C'mon, y_jack!  Their students may come in with better test scores (and their parents with fatter wallets) and their teams may (usually) beat yours on the athletic fields, but don't you dare say they do a better job of taking kids from wherever they begin to becoming whatever a college can help them become!  If SLIAC schools ever cave in to that, they may as well close their doors.

I tought the inferiority being referred to was in relation to the athletic programs, this being a basketball posting site. I have no doubt that students who attend SLIAC schools get a good education, no matter which school they are at.  And I agree with hugenerd that this has gone on long enough.

[howardjp]

what is going on today?  pretty wild scores so far ...

does Emory have a broadcast?

[Pat Coleman]

Emory only has a pay-per-listen service.

[Pat Coleman]

The Wash U/CMU game is incredible! But watching the live stats on that and listening to Rochester/Chicago.

[y_jack_lok]

CMU had a videocast of its game w/Wash U, but I couldn't get any sound. Watched all of the 2nd half. An amazing performance by CMU. Seemed like they must have hit 70% of their shots in the 2nd half. Got tons of open looks all over the court and underneath the basket. Wash U was constantly having defensive breakdowns. Friday's rematch will be interesting.