MBB: University Athletic Association

[Jacketfan2011]

So WashU winout = AQ

Chicago winout = AQ

Brandeis winout, combined with any WashU loss = AQ

then there's all the everyone has 4 loss scenarios

THAT'S the one I'm rooting for.  Just for parity's sake.

[Hugenerd]

So WashU winout = AQ

Chicago winout = AQ

Brandeis winout, combined with any WashU loss = AQ

then there's all the everyone has 4 loss scenarios

THAT'S the one I'm rooting for.  Just for parity's sake.

Which one?  The 4 loss scenarios or the Chicago AQ?

[Jacketfan2011]

So WashU winout = AQ

Chicago winout = AQ

Brandeis winout, combined with any WashU loss = AQ

then there's all the everyone has 4 loss scenarios

.

THAT'S the one I'm rooting for.  Just for parity's sake.

Which one?  The 4 loss scenarios or the Chicago AQ?

As many teams with as many losses as UR as possible.  Works for me

[sac]

I don't think Chicago makes the tournament with another loss, but if they win the AQ the UAA likely gets 4 teams in.

...and unlike other conferences, their teams would be kept apart in the tournament better.

[Gregory Sager]

Chicago was as smooth as a silk Hermes tie last night. Only four turnovers on the night, and the ball movement and the post offense were fantastic. Nate Hainje, who is now the only player in Maroons history to score 1,000 points, grab 500 rebounds, and dish out 200 assists, had a spectacular night: 30 points and 12 rebounds. He's always fun to watch, but last night he was even more of a human highlight reel than usual. NYU simply had no answer for him.

Attendance was only 500 or so in the Ratner Center, and the crowd was listless and uninvolved. I wonder if the growing drama surrounding Chicago's run at a UAA title -- which is most likely the only way that the Maroons will get into the tournament -- might bring out more and/or louder fans on Sunday afternoon against Brandeis.

[ILive4This]

Fans on a sunday is often an oxymoron especially at the Rat

[martin]

hopefan,

And Martin, of course, has no connection to Wash U - maybe he should have quit while he was 'ahead' with 'trashing' the MWC and CCIW!

SLIAC friends,

Re-read all the posts and see if it doesn't come off as an 'inferiority complex' (IMO, totally unnecessarily), rather than a 'hatchet job' by Martin.  It was a joke, with the main target being the MWC (then the CCIW after I riposted him).

Martin,

I've tried to get your back, but I'd like to remain on good terms with the SLIAC guys.  From here on out, you're on your own!  (Well, maybe once more, if you admit that UC's real motivation was less 'peer institutions' than fear of consistent bottom-half finishes in the CCIW! )

[And, of course, jabs at 'Wheaties' can't hurt your case! ]

Thanks for watching my back Mr. Ypsi.

I was away from the board for a while and did not realize all the trouble I caused.  Sorry if I offended anyone.  That was not my intent. 

I do not want to restart this thread.  But there was a serious component to my original comment which I should probably take over to the "Future of D3" board.  There are large disparities between D3 schools - public vs private, money vs broke, etc.  I am not sure if they can or should be reconciled.  I need to give all this some more thought and I will try to write something on the topic.

This was inspired by the recently released endowment numbers.  They raise questions like why does Harvard even charge tuition.  I am not going to pick on the UAA schools - research universities have a different mission.  Chicago is weird in having 4,000 undergraduates and 8,000 graduate students.  No one is close to that - I think Columbia is one to one. 

But a school to be picked on is Trinity.  Their endowment is $1.8 billion - for 1,800 students and no research programs.  And they are in the middle of a fundraising drive.  They spend over $100,000 per year per student.  Illinois Wesleyan has an endowment of $190 million.  It has about 2,100 students.  It spends about $35,000 per year per student.  Is Williams providing triple the educational value of IWU? 

Some of this questions are being asked now about these massive endowments schools are gathering.  While this is going on, state schools are falling apart.   The University of Illinois was concerned about spending $3million to renovate the historic building at the center of its campus.  The University of Chicago just completed Phase 1 of its construction program ($700 million) and started Phase 2 (over $1 billion).

Those are just some random thoughts - I need to pull them together more coherently.  Also - why Jake Pancratz is the best point guard in the UAA.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Martin,

I'd agree this is probably not the proper forum for this discussion, but a couple of quick thoughts.

You mention IWU as a 'poor' school (which compared to UC, it is), but it is 'upper middle class' by d3 standards.  I haven't seen endowment figures in 3-4 years, but while its endowment is barely half of Wheaton's, it is nearly double the third place CCIW school (and would probably be highest in a majority of d3 conferences).  Whether or not that should matter is a different discussion!

The cases I find fascinating are the publics who are also rich (e.g., Texas, Texas A&M, U of Michigan).  I'm not enough of an insider to know if there are any 'real' discussions on the topic, but perennial scuttlebutt on the U of M campus is whether or not they should declare their independence and go private (their endowment is well into 10 figures, perhaps 11 by now).

d3 has certainly had contention between the haves and have nots (and especially between the privates and publics, which is NOT the same debate, though it often gets confused); your input would certainly be welcomed on the 'future of d3' board.

[ILive4This]

Chicago and Brandeis about to tip off in a few seconds, from the sounds of the broadcast, there are actually people at the Ratner center. It will be interesting to see who the big scorer/if there is a big scorer for chicago today as Corning lit up the Judges for 27 in waltham in that 2 point win, and Hainje had 30 friday night against NYU.

[ILive4This]

The audio is ahead of the live stats, this is kind of an interesting experience, knowing what happens and then finding out how it happened.

6-5 Brandeis with 16 to go.

[ILive4This]

Scary  moment for the Judges as backup PG Andre Roberson hits the floor hard and play is stopped for a few minutes, he is up so nothing too serious, but not sure when we will see him back again....22-17 Judges with 8:30 left in the first

[howardjp]

39-36 Brandeis at the half, close most of the way

NYU leads Washington

[ILive4This]

39-36 Brandeis at the Half as Hainje makes a jumper at the buzzer to make it a 3 point game.

Side note, Roberson has come back into the game, and seems to be okay as he connected on a three-pointer and drew the foul, completing the 4 point play.

Also I continue to hear roaring cheers when Brandeis scores, and very little when the Maroon add points.

[ILive4This]

Also Hill has 12, and Hollins 11 for the Judges, so it is clear they are trying to exploit a bit of a mismatch down low, as most of the Brandeis points have come in the paint in the form of layups.

[howardjp]

Wash U goes on 12-4 second half run, leads by 4 w/6 min gone by