MBB: University Athletic Association

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Makes them a better prospect... but they still have more regional losses than the other two - if I remember correctly. Though... I could be wrong since I am doing this off the top of my head.

[howardjp]

Makes them a better prospect... but they still have more regional losses than the other two - if I remember correctly. Though... I could be wrong since I am doing this off the top of my head.

five losses - Chicago twice, Washington, U-Mass Dartmouth, Emory (?), memory is fading ...

top 25 will be interesting this week too, how high will Chicago climb?

[Jacketfan2011]

Actually adding up the numbers. I think Brandeis might move ahead of UMD into the #2 spot in the NE.

[pabegg]

Brandeis is a candidate for the "16th regional."

Historically, the NCAA has given regional hosting bids to the two top teams from each region. Since the decline  of the Atlantic region, the Atlantic has only gotten one host and the extra bid has been used to balance the bracket in the Eastern "half" of the tournament.

There is no question that Brandeis is the strongest of the 3rd seeds from the Northeast-East-Atlantic-MidAtlantic foursome, and will get to host a regional if there are enough teams from that half of the country.

But they probably won't get to host a regional instead of Amherst or Mass-Dartmouth.

[howardjp]

Thanks!  Good information ... guess we'll all see soon enough.

[Hugenerd]

Makes them a better prospect... but they still have more regional losses than the other two - if I remember correctly. Though... I could be wrong since I am doing this off the top of my head.

five losses - Chicago twice, Washington, U-Mass Dartmouth, Emory (?), memory is fading ...

top 25 will be interesting this week too, how high will Chicago climb?

Actually, Brandeis 5 losses have all been to (potential) NCAA tournament teams: Chicago (2), WashU, Rochester, and UMD.  I dont know what the NCAA will do, but Brandeis has 0 bad losses and has played in a much much tougher conference.  On the other hand,  UMD has one bad loss (to Keene State, who is 16-11) and two losses to LEC champ RIC.  UMD owns the head to head, but how much will the NCAA penalize Brandeis for losing on the road, in over time, 3 months ago (8th game of the year).  I honestly think Brandeis' record is the most impressive in UAA, in the sense that they have not had any big letups.  WashU has had an upset (at the hands of Calvin) and was obliterated by CMU by 31.  Brandeis conversely has not lost by more than 8 points and 2 of their losses were by 2 points and one was in OT (the other losses were by 6 and 8 points, respectively).  Rochester has lost to Emory and NYU, and Chicago has lost to 4 teams with 7+ losses.  I think Brandeis deserves hosting over UMD, but obviously my opinion doesnt count.

[Jacketfan2011]

Actually, UR lost to Emory in OT on the road, to NYU in 2OT on the road, by 1 to Wash U on the road, by four to Brandeis  on the road and to Chicago by 9 after beating #1 Wash U. (the same day Wash U lost to CMU by 31) after one of the most intense games I've ever seen.  They beat #2 Brandeis, beat #1 Wash U.  While inarguably good, I'm not sure Brandeis can claim the most impressive record in the UAA.

And as an impartial observer, I'd agree Brandeis should host.

[guitarhero]

any chance Chicago will get to host a first round game?

[Hugenerd]

Actually, UR lost to Emory in OT on the road, to NYU in 2OT on the road, by 1 to Wash U on the road, by four to Brandeis  on the road and to Chicago by 9 after beating #1 Wash U. (the same day Wash U lost to CMU by 31) after one of the most intense games I've ever seen.  They beat #2 Brandeis, beat #1 Wash U.  While inarguably good, I'm not sure Brandeis can claim the most impressive record in the UAA.

And as an impartial observer, I'd agree Brandeis should host.

Im not trying to take anything away from UR (they are a great team), but they still have two losses to bottom 3 teams in the league (at places that Brandeis won).  Brandeis's only league losses are to the other top 3 teams in the league.

By your definition, I am impartial also (not a Brandeis fan, but I follow the UAA).

[Hugenerd]

any chance Chicago will get to host a first round game?

I would say not so good.  Their chance of getting a top 2 seed in the Midwest is rather low (they were ranked #5 last week).  They may pass Wheaton (IL), with their loss to IWU, but, even if they passes WashU (which they might, since WashU now has 6 losses), Augustana won the CCIW and Lawrence won the MWC.  Therefore, I think the have a chance to move up to the #3 team in the Midwest, but it isnt likely that they would move ahead of the top two teams.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Let's also remember that hosting has a lot to do with teams in the area - easily to bus to a hosting site. Not sure the NCAA is going to be able to send nine teams to three sites in the first round all in the Boston/Providence area. That would also mean the NCAA men's committee did a pretty lousy job moving teams around in the brackets to at least make the backets a bit balanced!

One way I could see Brandeis hosting is if the committee moves a team like UMass-Dartmouth or Amherst out of the region... but I really don't see that happening. They may have an easier time moving Brandeis to another location!

[fcnews]

What are the chances of Wash U hosting in the STL?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

any chance Chicago will get to host a first round game?

I would say not so good.  Their chance of getting a top 2 seed in the Midwest is rather low (they were ranked #5 last week).  They may pass Wheaton (IL), with their loss to IWU, but, even if they passes WashU (which they might, since WashU now has 6 losses), Augustana won the CCIW and Lawrence won the MWC.  Therefore, I think the have a chance to move up to the #3 team in the Midwest, but it isnt likely that they would move ahead of the top two teams.

The answer is pretty much here... with 6 losses... I don't think the men get a hosting chance. BUT there are other determining factors... so who knows.

[Gregory Sager]

Makes them a better prospect... but they still have more regional losses than the other two - if I remember correctly. Though... I could be wrong since I am doing this off the top of my head.

five losses - Chicago twice, Washington, U-Mass Dartmouth, Emory (?), memory is fading ...

top 25 will be interesting this week too, how high will Chicago climb?

Actually, Brandeis 5 losses have all been to (potential) NCAA tournament teams: Chicago (2), WashU, Rochester, and UMD.  I dont know what the NCAA will do, but Brandeis has 0 bad losses and has played in a much much tougher conference.  On the other hand,  UMD has one bad loss (to Keene State, who is 16-11) and two losses to LEC champ RIC.  UMD owns the head to head, but how much will the NCAA penalize Brandeis for losing on the road, in over time, 3 months ago (8th game of the year).  I honestly think Brandeis' record is the most impressive in UAA, in the sense that they have not had any big letups.  WashU has had an upset (at the hands of Calvin) and was obliterated by CMU by 31.  Brandeis conversely has not lost by more than 8 points and 2 of their losses were by 2 points and one was in OT (the other losses were by 6 and 8 points, respectively).  Rochester has lost to Emory and NYU, and Chicago has lost to 4 teams with 7+ losses.  I think Brandeis deserves hosting over UMD, but obviously my opinion doesnt count.

None of that margin-of-victory stuff included in your post is relevant to the D3 tourney, although it may or may not be relevant in terms of the Top 25. And in the eyes of the selection committee, "good" losses can be even more punitive than "bad" losses, because the former constitute entire criteria all by themselves (head-to-head vs. other Pool C aspirants, and record vs. regionally-ranked teams).

[Gregory Sager]

any chance Chicago will get to host a first round game?

I would say not so good.  Their chance of getting a top 2 seed in the Midwest is rather low (they were ranked #5 last week).  They may pass Wheaton (IL), with their loss to IWU, but, even if they passes WashU (which they might, since WashU now has 6 losses), Augustana won the CCIW and Lawrence won the MWC.  Therefore, I think the have a chance to move up to the #3 team in the Midwest, but it isnt likely that they would move ahead of the top two teams.

If UW-Whitewater draws an opening-round bye, which is still at least somewhat of a possibility, I can easily envision a scenario in which Chicago would host a first-round game against, say, Aurora or Loras, with the winner traveling up to Whitewater on Saturday as the concluding game of a three-team pod. That's because I suspect that the Maroons will be seeded somewhere in the middle of the Midwest/West Section.