MBB: University Athletic Association

[Titan Q]

Thoughts after this one exhibition game, for what it's worth...


Wash U positives:

1) Perimeter game.  The Bears have two players on the D3hoops.com preseason All-America team (point-guard Sean Wallis and wing Tyler Nading), and their best player might be shooting-guard Aaron Thompson.  Wash U's perimeter game is about as good as it gets.

2) Defense.  There are a lot of pretty good D3 teams that would have been lit up bad by UMSL.  Mark Edwards probably isn't happy with the way his team defended tonight, but considering the gap in athleticism and quickness, I thought the Bears did really well.  Wash U gets after it on defense.

3) Coaching.  Wash U is one the most well-coached teams you will find.  They just run their stuff so crisply.

4) Chemistry.  I saw Wash U's last 4 games of '07-08 (Sectional, Final Four) and it felt like tonight they just picked up right where they left off in March.  I figured they'd look a little "off" tonight, without Ruths.  They did not.  This is a veteran group that is very comfortable with each other.


Wash U negatives:

1) The center positon/low post game.  Replacing one of the best players in the country is hard, but Wash U seems to have a big hole in the middle.  I am not sold on that Zach Kelley/Tom Blount platoon at all.  In general, I'm not sure the Bears really have a legitimate, back-to-the-basket scoring threat...a consistent one at least.  I think they are going to have to stick 6-7 Nading down there quite a bit this year...they did a few times tonight.  We'll see how it develops, but until I see more out of the 5 and the low post, I don't view Wash U as a #1 team.  Top 10 - definitely.  Top 5 - maybe.  #1 - I'm not sure.  Lets see how the bigs do vs a D3 team -- the Augustana test right out of the gates will tell us a lot.

2) Depth (surprisingly).  Down the stretch of regulation and in 10 minutes of ovetime play, I don't think Coach Edwards substituted once.  He had the starters in there.  It was clear that at this very early stage of '08-09, those are the guys he trusts with the game on the line.  7 other Bears played and I do like Caleb Knepper, Ross Kelley (who was very good in Salem last year), and Dylan Richter, a freshman who will be a good player.  Will be interested to see how the rotation shapes up this year.

[Titan Q]

Not sure if this has been mentioned here already, but Chicago has a D1 transfer this year - 6-9 F/C Joe Guiler from Colgate.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/mbk-roster0809.htm

http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/roster.asp?playerid=892&sport=2&path=mbball

http://patriotleague.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/122005aab.html

http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/sports/mbball/2008/TEAMCUME.HTM




Dec. 20, 2005

The Colgate University men's basketball program has signed two student-athletes to national letters of intent. The announcement was made by Raider head coach Emmett Davis.

Players announcing their plans to attend Colgate include Joe Guiler and Ben Jonson.

"One of our goals for this recruiting class was to bring in two talented inside players and another was to sign these players early," commented Davis. "I'm excited about the addition of Joe and Ben."

Guiler is a 6-9, 210-pound center-forward, who is playing at Johnstown Monroe High School in Johnstown, Ohio. During the 2004-05 season, he led his team to a 19-3 record, while averaging 11 points and 9.7 rebounds per game. They won the Mid-Buckeye Conference and Newark Sectional Championships.

He already holds records for career rebounds, blocks and field goal percentage. In addition, he was named first team Associated Press Division III all-state, Central District Division III Player of the Year, and first team all-Central District, all-District 11, Mid-Buckeye Conference and Newark Advocate.

Guiler chose the Raiders over Wofford, Western Carolina, Army, Navy, Canisius and Belmont.

"Joe is a long, lanky player whose best basketball is ahead of him," states Davis. "He's very skilled around the basket and has shown a knack to block and alter shots on the defensive end. He has the combination of high level academics and athletics that we look for in our student-athletes."

[y_jack_lok]

I don't view Wash U as a #1 team.  Top 10 - definitely.  Top 5 - maybe.  #1 - I'm not sure.  Lets see how the bigs do vs a D3 team -- the Augustana test right out of the gates will tell us a lot.

The last two seasons Wash U has lost to Augustana early in the regular season and beat them in the NCAA tournament.

Thanks for all that great information. hopefan and I tried to find a way to make it to the game but schedules just wouldn't let it happen.

[Titan Q]

The last two seasons Wash U has lost to Augustana early in the regular season and beat them in the NCAA tournament.

Wash U and Augie did not face each other in the 2006-07 NCAA tournament - Augie bowed out early, losing to Carroll at home in Round 2.  Wash U went to the Final Four.

Keep in mind, in the last two Wash U/Augie early season games, the Bears were dealing with significant injuries.  Last year (neutral court), it was the first game after the Wallis injury...

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/2007-08%20Statistics/game4.htm

The year before (at Augie), Wash U lost Danny O'Boyle to an achilles rupture during the game...

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/2006-07%20Statistics/game4.htm


This year it appears both will be at full strength (knock on wood).

[y_jack_lok]

My mistake, Titan Q. It's what happens when a guy my age tries to do things from memory instead of checking the facts.

I saw last year's Wash U-Augie regular season game. In spite of not having Wallis I heard a comment that Coach Edwards was not thrilled with his team's effort in that game. Someone said to him "you finished the game strong." His no excuses response was that they hadn't started the game strong.

[aronik53]

So I know that Rochester graduated 5 seniors, but everyone seems to be totally writing them off as not even being better than the lower part of the middle of the pack this year.  Do we know anything about any new Freshman/Transfers they have as if any of them are really solid, they could step right up this year.

One transfer - a guard from Elon.  Good solid freshman class with some size.  Kaplan and Chmielowiec are the only seniors and only 3 juniors (transfer plus two with not much PT), 5 sophs and 5 freshman so they will be young.  On the plus side, the returning players spent a year playing against the seniors before they left.  First scrimmage, against LeMoyne, is tomorrow so they'll get to see how the parts fit.

Any information on how the scrimmage went how anyone played?

[Ethelred the Unready]

So I know that Rochester graduated 5 seniors, but everyone seems to be totally writing them off as not even being better than the lower part of the middle of the pack this year.  Do we know anything about any new Freshman/Transfers they have as if any of them are really solid, they could step right up this year.

One transfer - a guard from Elon.  Good solid freshman class with some size.  Kaplan and Chmielowiec are the only seniors and only 3 juniors (transfer plus two with not much PT), 5 sophs and 5 freshman so they will be young.  On the plus side, the returning players spent a year playing against the seniors before they left.  First scrimmage, against LeMoyne, is tomorrow so they'll get to see how the parts fit.

Any information on how the scrimmage went how anyone played?

Some good things....some that need work.  UR jumped out to an 11-5 lead in the first of 3 20 minute periods.  LeMoyne woke up and went ahead 18-11 and won the period by 4-5.  Second period won by LeMoyne by 11 I believe and the third by LeMoyne by 4.

Positives - Chmielowiec can still shoot, Kaplan can still pass and the team still hustles.
Things that need work - rebounding & boxing out.  I know that things are going to be different without Oniyiruka and Ndubizu but this team is pretty small.

Freshman Nate Novosel from Lexington is a player.  6'5" and an offensive presence.  Started and played a lot of minutes against LeMoynes bigs.  Scored in the 16-20 point range. 

John Charlesworth, transfer from Elon is still fitting in, but nice handle, gets to the paint and can shoot from mid-range.

Labinowski was solid, Roberson is developing nicely inside, freshman big Williams will be a force pretty soon.

Freshman and sophs got bulk of PT in the third period and did very well.  Serle seems to have a nice stroke from 3, hitting a couple deep ones, and Martin and Dende both hit some shots.  And the Williams kid is LONG.  Should be a fun group to follow as they mature

LeMoyne is picked to finish in the middle of the 15 team NE10 (go figure) and have some pretty athletic kids, including pre-season All-American Ekperigin, and some nice size.  All in all not a terrible first scrimmage.  I think coach got a preety good idea of what he has and will fine tune some things before the scrimmage Friday at Brockport.

[ADL70]

'08-09 Preseason-Men Pts. UAA Overall
1. Washington 47 10-4 25-6
2. Chicago 43 11-3 18-8
3. Brandeis 39 10-4 23-6

4. Carnegie Mellon 28 6-8 19-9
5. Rochester 25 9-5 22-6
6. NYU 20 6-8 16-1

7. Emory 10 3-11 10-15
8. Case 9 1-13 8-17

Breaks down to three levels.

[Hugenerd]

'08-09 Preseason-Men Pts. UAA Overall
1. Washington 47 10-4 25-6
2. Chicago 43 11-3 18-8
3. Brandeis 39 10-4 23-6

4. Carnegie Mellon 28 6-8 19-9
5. Rochester 25 9-5 22-6
6. NYU 20 6-8 16-1

7. Emory 10 3-11 10-15
8. Case 9 1-13 8-17

Breaks down to three levels.

That looks pretty reasonable.  I think it will be really tight among the top 3.  You could make an argument for Brandeis at 2, but I think the groupings are correct. 

[Hugenerd]

'08-09 Preseason-Men Pts. UAA Overall
1. Washington 47 10-4 25-6
2. Chicago 43 11-3 18-8
3. Brandeis 39 10-4 23-6

4. Carnegie Mellon 28 6-8 19-9
5. Rochester 25 9-5 22-6
6. NYU 20 6-8 16-1

7. Emory 10 3-11 10-15
8. Case 9 1-13 8-17

Breaks down to three levels.

Also, those vote totals dont make sense (im not saying this is your fault cwru70).  I know that each coach ranks the 7 other teams in the conference (cant vote for yourself) and they are given points in decreasing amounts from 7 yo 1 (28 points * 8 coaches = 224 points total).  However, all the votes in the reported list only add up 221.  There is something wrong at the bottom of the list for sure. If Case was # 8 with 9 points that means they got 5 last place votes and 2 second to last place votes (5*1+2*2=9).  However, if this is true, it is impossible for emory to have only 10 points.  The least they could have is the 3 remaining last place votes + 4 second to last place points, meaning they would have 3*1+4*2 = 11.  I dont know if they allowed ties and then truncated numbers resulting in the 3 lost points, but in any case that doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

[ADL70]

I didn't have time to check the totals.  They had the football points wrong for awhile too.  Just checked UAA's site, the numbers are the same.

[Hugenerd]

I had double checked the numbers also.  You had them as reported, but what is reported seems to be wrong.

[Marty Peretz]

WUSTL cruises in its opener against North Park...86-64 win with Wallis going for 20, 5 boards, and 4 assists...tops in all three categories for a very balanced Bears offense...anyone still questioning his readiness?

[BUBeaverFan]

Reasonable minutes for several players off the bench.  WashU wins big on day that Nading and Thompson didn't really light it up.  Glad to Sean get out of the block well.  This will do wonders for his confidence. Go Bears!

[fcnews]

Edgewood Defeats Chicago?