MBB: University Athletic Association

[Hugenerd]

UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.

Brandeis gets a Pool C bid in our projections thru last night's action. Their winning percentage could be better but a strength of schedule ranked 23rd nationally plays to their advantage.

Do you have them ranked ahead or behind Colby in the NE?

[ziggy]

UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.

Brandeis gets a Pool C bid in our projections thru last night's action. Their winning percentage could be better but a strength of schedule ranked 23rd nationally plays to their advantage.

Do you have them ranked ahead or behind Colby in the NE?

behind

[Hugenerd]

Thats interesting, what about Bridgewater?  In other words, if Bridgewater doesnt win the MASCAC, could that shake things up?

[ziggy]

Thats interesting, what about Bridgewater?  In other words, if Bridgewater doesnt win the MASCAC, could that shake things up?

Hard to say quickly, but as all the numbers sit now they might be able to contend for a Pool C although taking a loss would hurt them considering their advantage is in regard to winning percentage.

I should add the disclaimer that this projection gives out the 19 pool c bids after taking out all the pool a schools. Bigger conference tourney upsets would limit the pool, so to speak.

[dblock]

UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.

Brandeis gets a Pool C bid in our projections thru last night's action. Their winning percentage could be better but a strength of schedule ranked 23rd nationally plays to their advantage.

Do you have them ranked ahead or behind Colby in the NE?

what happens if NYU completes the Brandeis sweep?

do they get in to the tourney at 17-8 and 2nd in the UAA?

[ziggy]

UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.

Brandeis gets a Pool C bid in our projections thru last night's action. Their winning percentage could be better but a strength of schedule ranked 23rd nationally plays to their advantage.

Do you have them ranked ahead or behind Colby in the NE?

what happens if NYU completes the Brandeis sweep?

do they get in to the tourney at 17-8 and 2nd in the UAA?

The final place in the UAA standings won't have anything to do with it.

Another win over Brandeis will cap off a season of impressive wins for NYU but the overall winning percentage might not be enough to get them over the hump. I think they will need a little more help from some of the teams around them to get consideration.

[deiscanton]

Dblock--

As you probably know from the UAA women's basketball standings last year, once you are a runner up, your whole resume is taken into account in determining whether or not you get a Pool C.  Don't focus on a potential second place finish in conference being the clincher.   Primary in-region percentage includes wins and losses in both UAA and non-conference play.

On the UAA women's side last year, the UAA got the second, third, and fifth place teams in based on their resumes for the whole season, but not the fourth place team.

A team with 8 regional losses is going to find it very difficult to get a Pool C no matter how strong their strength of schedule.  (See Chicago women from last season-- and perhaps the Brandeis women this season.)

The first thing for NYU to find out on this upcoming Wednesday's regional rankings is if they are even regionally ranked in the East going into Saturday's game.  If they are not regionally ranked going into Saturday, then a Pool C is going to be almost impossible to get.  

A head to head sweep over Brandeis would probably only count in getting a Pool C if Brandeis and NYU are both on the national table with 1 Pool C bid remaining, and both Brandeis and NYU are the top 2 teams on the national table of 8 candidates going for that final bid.  (Brandeis up on the table from the Northeast, and NYU up on the table from the East.)  Each region can have only 1 team on the national table at a time for Pool C consideration-- That is why the order in the regional rankings is so important in determing the order in which potential Pool C candidates from each region will get to the national table.

[magicman]

dblock,
I don't think NYU will have a chance at a Pool C bid. Even with a win over Brandeis this week they would only have a 15-8 regional record. I believe when the new East Region rankings come out this Wednesday that NYU will not be on the list. Even if some of the teams above them lose in their conference tournament this coming week they will still have a better in region record than NYU will have, come tournament selection time. If the projected Pool A teams hold form that will still leave a SUNYAC team, as well as an Empire 8 team, with a higher regional ranking than NYU and the East will not get more than 2 Pool C bids. And it's possible the East region will only get 1 bid.

[WUPHF]

Congratulations to Cameron Smith of Washington University and Eric Duerr of Case Western Reserve University for being named ESPN Academic All-Americans.  Smith has a 4.0 gpa majoring in Chemical Engineering while Duerr, a pre-med student, has a 3.96 gpa.

[Ethelred the Unready]

Congratulations to Cameron Smith of Washington University and Eric Duerr of Case Western Reserve University for being named ESPN Academic All-Americans.  Smith has a 4.0 gpa majoring in Chemical Engineering while Duerr, a pre-med student, has a 3.96 gpa.

Slacker......

[deiscanton]

I reread the Men's Basketball Championship Handbook an hour ago because I was confused as to where the records vs regionally ranked opponents were coming from.

The handbook cleared up confusion that I was suffering from the past few weeks.

When doing a record vs regionally ranked opponents for a men's tournament resume, the men's selection commitee goes by the principle of "once regionally ranked, always regionally ranked."   Therefore, if a team is regionally ranked at any week of the regional rankings, it will always be considered as a regionally ranked team even if the team is not listed in the current week's regional rankings for men's basketball.

The women's selection committee does not go by the principle of "once ranked, always ranked" for regional rankings.

By the principle of "once ranked, always ranked"-- the Brandeis men are listed this week at 3-3 vs regionally ranked opponents.

Brandeis has 2 wins vs Rochester and 1 win vs Wash U

Brandeis has a loss vs UMass-Dartmouth, a loss vs Wash U, and a loss vs NYU

Even though UMass-Dartmouth and Rochester are not regionally ranked in this week's poll, they were regionally ranked in a previous week's poll and are still considered as regionally ranked on the men's side.

I will post the tournament resumes for Brandeis and NYU tomorrow morning going in with the updated understanding of this rule.

[deiscanton]

Tournament resumes for UAA Pool C candidates

Brandeis-- #5 in Northeast

Regional record is 18-6    Regional percentage is .750

Strength of schedule is .552

Record vs regionally ranked teams (once ranked, always ranked)  3-3

Wins vs Wash U and Rochester (twice)

Losses vs UMass-Dartmouth, Wash U, and NYU

3 losses vs teams not regionally ranked (Case once, Emory twice).


NYU-- #6 in East

Regional record is 15-8   Regional percentage is .652

Strength of schedule is .551

Record vs regionally ranked teams (once ranked, always ranked)-- 4-3

Wins over Stevens, Merchant Marine, Brandeis and Rochester

Losses to Wash U (twice), Rochester (once).

[Hugenerd]

When doing a record vs regionally ranked opponents for a men's tournament resume, the men's selection commitee goes by the principle of "once regionally ranked, always regionally ranked."   Therefore, if a team is regionally ranked at any week of the regional rankings, it will always be considered as a regionally ranked team even if the team is not listed in the current week's regional rankings for men's basketball.

Alan, I believe this is new this year.  Charlie Brock mentioned it as an improvement over the old system when he appeared on Hoopsville after the first set of regional rankings were released.

[deiscanton]

Hugenerd--

When regional rankings first were used, "once ranked, always ranked" was the original rule that was done on both the men's and women's tournament for selection purposes.   What the men have done is to go back to the original rule.   It is simpler because people don't have to wonder from week to week if a regionally ranked team who was ranked low in the first few weeks of the poll and then drops out will hurt the record of the other teams.

[Hugenerd]

Hugenerd--

When regional rankings first were used, "once ranked, always ranked" was the original rule that was done on both the men's and women's tournament for selection purposes.   What the men have done is to go back to the original rule.   It is simpler because people don't have to wonder from week to week if a regionally ranked team who was ranked low in the first few weeks of the poll and then drops out will hurt the record of the other teams.

I didnt know of the original rule, just relaying what I heard Charlie Brock mention in the Hoopsville broadcast.