MBB: University Athletic Association

[Greek Tragedy]

I thought about it for a minute and then gave up because I am unsure what happens if we have a three way tie at 7-7 if Rochester defeats Emory, Case Western Reserve defeats Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis defeats NYU.

Then we have a potential two way tie at 8-6 if Washington loses to Chicago and NYU defeats Brandeis.

Do we simply look at all the head-to-heads or do we move on to the next team in line?  Or maybe I am missing something.

Incidentally, the Field House had a great crowd on Friday, but I think the Chicago game will bring the people in for sure.

I would guess they would take the records against each other first. Team one was 3-1 against the other two and Team 2 and 3 were 2-2 against the other two teams. After Team 1 was eliminated, winning the 3-way breaker, then it would go to H2H. If they split, possibly start from top to bottom. Team 2 was 1-1 against the 1st place team and Team 3 was 0-2. Then Team 2 wins the tie breaker against team 3. Make sense?

[WUPHF]

That must be it.

I think I'll just wait until Saturday to figure it out.  I think the safest bet in the UAA is an Emory win over Rochester at home, but who knows...Rochester continues to prove me wrong.

[WUPHF]

I was reading through the press release for the Rochester win over Case Western Reserve and it sounds like one wild and ultimately heartbreaking finish for the Spartans.

Matt Clark scored 18 more than his season average for 24 points including 14 in the last 1:11.  Clark was fouled from three point range with four seconds left and forced an overtime period after knocking down all three.

The Spartans had trailed by as many as 19 in the second half. 

[jeffjo]

I thought about it for a minute and then gave up because I am unsure what happens if we have a three way tie at 7-7 if Rochester defeats Emory, Case Western Reserve defeats Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis defeats NYU.

Then we have a potential two way tie at 8-6 if Washington loses to Chicago and NYU defeats Brandeis.

Do we simply look at all the head-to-heads or do we move on to the next team in line?  Or maybe I am missing something.

If WashU beats Chicago: Emory and WashU will be tied in the "top 2," and they split. So the first tiebreaker, head-to-head, doesn't do anything.

If NYU also wins: Emory, WashU, Chicago and NYU will constitute the "top 4." WashU is 3-3 (split all around) and Emory is 2-4 (lost twice to NYU).

If NYU loses, the second tiebreaker adds in at least Rochester, requiring at least the top 5. WashU's advantage increases to 2 games since they won 2 and Emory (would have) split. If CWRU wins, we need the top 6. Emory won twice and Wash U split, offsetting the increase from Emory. So it is the Emory-NYU record still establishes it.

+++++

If Chicago wins: they get +1 for two wins over WashU, and Emory gets -1 if NYU adds into the top 4.

[WUPHF]

The UAA had three players named to the Capital One Academic All-America list.  No other conference had more than one.  The players were: Seth Cordts, Matt Palucki, and Jack Serbin.

http://cosida.com/documents/2015/2/24/2014_15_CapOne_D3_Basketball_Teams.pdf

[mck99]

Mark Edwards and Nancy Fahey made an appearance on ESPN 101.1 FM in St. Louis on Friday:

EDWARDS: http://www.101sports.com/podcasts/wash-u-mens-bball-coach-mark-edwards-tells-the-turn-why-it-is-so-easy-to-call-wash-u-home/

FAHEY: http://www.101sports.com/podcasts/wash-us-nancy-fahey-credits-her-parents-when-it-comes-to-discipline-and-her-coaching-style/

[7express]

Here are the latest standings with just one game to go.  Emory has clinched a share of the championship and will host Rochester with a chance to win it all.

Emory University 9-4
Washington University 8-5
University of Chicago 8-5
New York University 7-6    
Case Western Reserve 6-7    
University of Rochester 6-7    
Carnegie Mellon 4-9
Brandeis University 4-9

If I understand the tiebreakers correctly, Emory still has to win against Rochester to receive the Pool A bid. If they lose to Rochester, they will be co-champions with either WashU or Chicago. Emory loses the tiebreaker with WashU because Emory lost twice to NYU, and with Chicago because Chicago would have beaten WashU twice.

While these tie-breakers sound validated because they require beating the "better teams" more, they are equally invalidated because they require losing to the "worse teams" more.

I think it was Hoopsfan that mentioned this on another board but you should start from the bottom and work your way up for the tiebreaker.  if 2 teams tie for first with 12-2 records (1-1) vs. each other while team A lost the 7th place team and team B lost to the 3rd place team you should reward team B with the championship for losing to the better team and not the other way around.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Here are the latest standings with just one game to go.  Emory has clinched a share of the championship and will host Rochester with a chance to win it all.

Emory University 9-4
Washington University 8-5
University of Chicago 8-5
New York University 7-6    
Case Western Reserve 6-7    
University of Rochester 6-7    
Carnegie Mellon 4-9
Brandeis University 4-9

If I understand the tiebreakers correctly, Emory still has to win against Rochester to receive the Pool A bid. If they lose to Rochester, they will be co-champions with either WashU or Chicago. Emory loses the tiebreaker with WashU because Emory lost twice to NYU, and with Chicago because Chicago would have beaten WashU twice.

While these tie-breakers sound validated because they require beating the "better teams" more, they are equally invalidated because they require losing to the "worse teams" more.

I think it was Hoopsfan that mentioned this on another board but you should start from the bottom and work your way up for the tiebreaker.  if 2 teams tie for first with 12-2 records (1-1) vs. each other while team A lost the 7th place team and team B lost to the 3rd place team you should reward team B with the championship for losing to the better team and not the other way around.

On the other hand, as the Guru likes to say "it's not who you lost to, it's who you beat".

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I was saying you work top to bottom for teams above you, first - then move to a bottom to top for teams below you.  That's what seemed most fair to me, anyway, and it wouldn't be that hard to do.

[WUPHF]

No tiebreakers needed as Emory wins the conference with a 88-69 win over Rochester at home.  Michael Florin led all scorers with 17.  Congratulations to the Eagles.

Washington University leads Chicago 43-30 at the half while NYU leads Brandeis 52-37.

[jeffjo]

I think it was Hoopsfan that mentioned this on another board but you should start from the bottom and work your way up for the tiebreaker.  if 2 teams tie for first with 12-2 records (1-1) vs. each other while team A lost the 7th place team and team B lost to the 3rd place team you should reward team B with the championship for losing to the better team and not the other way around.

Except - the first tie-breaker should be head-to-head, which implies you should start from the top. My point was that anything past this is arbitrary since, by virtue of the tie, any such set merely trades wins in what is included, for loses in what is excluded.

[WUPHF]

Washington University is taking it to Chicago, 70-45 with nine minutes left.

[iwumichigander]

Washington University is taking it to Chicago, 70-45 with nine minutes left.

Your Bears are taking care of business today as is UWW in the north country.

[WUPHF]

The Washington University-Chicago game was more or less a mirror image of the first game.  The win today was every bit as big as the win by the Maroons to start the conference season. 84-67 was the final with the Bears holding a 25 point lead late in the game.

Washington University started slow, but would eventually begin to pull away, finishing strong in every statistical category.  54% shooting from the field (40% from three point range). 24 assists and a mere five turnovers. 

Very excited to see senior Kent Lacob score in double figures with three assists on Senior Day.  Great games by seniors Matt Palucki, Nick Burt and David Fatoki.  Palucki scored 15 to lead all shooters which was more than enough to move past Sean Wallis for career scoring.  Burt had 14 points and 13 rebounds.  No one in the conference works harder than Nick Burt.  Fatoki had 11 points and 10 assists and 0 turnovers. 

Mitch Styczynski barely missed scoring in double figures, but played maybe his best defensive game ever.  Luke Silverman-Lloyd continued his strong late season play.

[WUPHF]

A look at the final UAA standings.

Emory University 10-4    
Washington University 9-5    
New York University 8-6    
University of Chicago 8-6    
Case Western Reserve 6-8    
University of Rochester 6-8    
Carnegie Mellon 5-9    
Brandeis University 4-10