MBB: University Athletic Association

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

... very likely some allowances are going to be made (or have been behind the scenes).

[WUPHF]

... very likely some allowances are going to be made (or have been behind the scenes).

I would bet good money that this is true.

[DagarmanSpartan]

CWRU just upset #3 Washington U.

Arguably the greatest victory in program history.

[deiscanton]

In my opinion, if the UAA basketball games that were initially declared postponed eventually end up being cancelled, the UAA will determine its champion by win-loss percentage, just like it is today.  We would be in a scenario similar to that of the 1987-88 season, the first year of the UAA's existence.   Of course, no AQ was on the line back in 1987-88, as the AQ system in DIII basketball as we know it did not get its start until the late 1990s, if I recall correctly.

1987-88 Men's Basketball Standings--

Team champion:  Wash U

Player of the Year:  Kevin Suiter, Wash U

Coaching Staff of the Year:  Mark Edwards, Pete Manuel, Dennis Kruse, Rick Shelton, Paul Jansen-- Wash U

1.)  Wash U  9-1 in UAA (.900)  22-6 overall
2.)  Brandeis  4-2 in UAA (.667)  13-13 overall
3.)  Rochester 5-3 in UAA (.625)  18-9 overall
4.)  NYU  6-5 in UAA (.545)  15-11 overall
5.)  Emory  6-7 in UAA (.462) 15-11 overall
6.)  Carnegie Mellon  2-3 in UAA (.400) 9-12 overall
7.)  Case Western Reserve 2-5 in UAA (.286)  3-21 overall
8.)  Chicago  1-8 in UAA (.111)  6-15 overall

Johns Hopkins was not eligible for the UAA title-- JHU went 0-1 in the UAA and finished 12-12 overall.

uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/MBasketball.pdf

[WUPHF]

In my opinion, if the UAA basketball games that were initially declared postponed eventually end up being cancelled, the UAA will determine its champion by win-loss percentage, just like it is today. 

I disagree with it, though I guess I can see it.

As a conference, you would certainly want to avoid the possibility that a coach would be perceived as having dodged a game to avoid a potential loss.

By the way, the only evidence I know of that Case Western Reserve is down a game from Emory is the Spartans presser.  It may well exist elsewhere, but I would need to see more to see that as the case as of today.

[deiscanton]

In my opinion, if the UAA basketball games that were initially declared postponed eventually end up being cancelled, the UAA will determine its champion by win-loss percentage, just like it is today. 

I disagree with it, though I guess I can see it.

As a conference, you would certainly want to avoid the possibility that a coach would be perceived as having dodged a game to avoid a potential loss.

By the way, the only evidence I know of that Case Western Reserve is down a game from Emory is the Spartans presser.  It may well exist elsewhere, but I would need to see more to see that as the case as of today.

Which is why the athletic directors are in charge of the UAA scheduling of the sports teams, not the coaches.   A UAA game cannot be declared cancelled without mutual consent of the athletic directors of all of the competing UAA institutions.  If the athletic directors cannot come to a mutual agreement on rescheduling or cancelling a particular UAA game, the matter gets referred to the UAA Voting Delegates, which are the Vice Presidents of Student Affairs of each competing UAA institution.  If neither the athletic directors at the first stage, nor the UAA Voting Delegates at the second stage can come to an agreement as to rescheduling or cancellation, the matter gets referred to the UAA Executive Officers Committee, which has the final say.

Under the UAA COVID 19 Cancellation and Forfeit Policy, every effort shall be made to reschedule a postponed UAA contest at an appropriate time in the season.   When considering whether or not to reschedule a game, due consideration shall be given to the effect of not rescheduling on the potential selection of either team or any other Association teams to post-season play whether through automatic qualification or at-large selection.

A contest declared cancelled due to COVID-19 circumstances shall be declared a "no contest" and shall be treated as such in the UAA standings.

UAA COVID Cancellation and Forfeit Policy adopted August 18, 2021

The determination of an Association Champion is determined by Section 2 of the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, and it states that the placement of the order of teams in the UAA standings competing in a full schedule of UAA basketball shall be by win/loss percentage against UAA opponents.  Any teams not eligible for the UAA Championship must be specifically noted as such in the standings.

UAA Basketball Code of Conduct for 2021-22 season

[deiscanton]

On another note, unless I hear otherwise, I am assuming that both Wash U and Chicago have agreed that the January 8 game initially scheduled to be played at Chicago is now a cancelled game or a "No contest" due to COVID-19 protocols and will not be made up.  The reason why I am making this assumption is that the initial entry of that game of January 8, 2022 is no longer listed on the UAA, Wash U or Chicago men's basketball schedules.  If it were just postponed, there would be an entry on all of these schedules saying that the game of January 8, 2022 is postponed to a future date to be determined.

Also, the NYU men's basketball schedule is yet to be updated with the change made on Friday morning, January 28, 2022 that both the Brandeis men's basketball schedule and the UAA men's basketball schedule reflect regarding a makeup of the January 8 game between Brandeis and NYU on Sunday, February 27, 2022, and the ensuing change to date, time, and place of the game at NYU initially scheduled for Saturday, Feb. 26, 2022 at St. Francis College in Brooklyn, but would now be played a night earlier on Friday, Feb. 25 at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility in order to accomodate the makeup game at Brandeis.

[deiscanton]

Top 5 scorers in UAA play through games played on January 30, 2022

1.)  Jack Nolan-- Wash U-- 24.5 PPG
2.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU-- 22.0 PPG
3.)  Matthew Schner-- Emory-- 21.6 PPG
4.)  R.J. Holmes-- Carnegie Mellon-- 18.2 PPG
5.)  Mitch Prendergast-- Case Western Reserve-- 17.0 PPG

Top 5 rebounders (and ties) in UAA play through games played on January 30, 2022--

1.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU-- 13.3 RPG
2.)  R. J. Holmes-- Carnegie Mellon-- 9.5 RPG
3.)  Chandler Jones-- Brandeis-- 7.0 RPG
T-4.)  Cole Frilling-- Case Western Reserve-- 6.8 RPG (6 UAA games played)
T-4.)  Zach Munson-- Chicago-- 6.8 RPG (6 UAA games played)
T-4.)  Justin Hardy-- Wash U-- 6.8 RPG (5 UAA games played)

Top 5 "dime droppers" in UAA play through games played on January 30, 2022--

1.)  Nick Stuck, Emory-- 6.3 APG
2.)  Griffin Kornaker, Case Western Reserve-- 4.7 APG
3.)  Hayden Doyle, Wash U-- 3.5 APG
4.)  Ross Gang, Rochester-- 3.4 APG
5.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU-- 3.3 APG

[WUPHF]

The determination of an Association Champion is determined by Section 2 of the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, and it states that the placement of the order of teams in the UAA standings competing in a full schedule of UAA basketball shall be by win/loss percentage against UAA opponents.  Any teams not eligible for the UAA Championship must be specifically noted as such in the standings.

UAA Basketball Code of Conduct for 2021-22 season

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This is why I say we have two teams in the standings and the rest are ineligible until they have demonstrated that they can complete a full schedule.

Especially for Case Western Reserve as they have to make up a game with a team that has three games to make-up.

I am not sure by the way that we should assume a game has been cancelled after being removed from the schedule.  I would have assumed that the game would have remained and been marked cancelled as it had last season.

[deiscanton]

The determination of an Association Champion is determined by Section 2 of the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, and it states that the placement of the order of teams in the UAA standings competing in a full schedule of UAA basketball shall be by win/loss percentage against UAA opponents.  Any teams not eligible for the UAA Championship must be specifically noted as such in the standings.

UAA Basketball Code of Conduct for 2021-22 season

__________________

This is why I say we have two teams in the standings and the rest are ineligible until they have demonstrated that they can complete a full schedule.

Especially for Case Western Reserve as they have to make up a game with a team that has three games to make-up.

I am not sure by the way that we should assume a game has been cancelled after being removed from the schedule.  I would have assumed that the game would have remained and been marked cancelled as it had last season.

Are you willing to pay for the extra charter flights and hotel space in Waltham, MA for the CWRU and Carnegie Mellon men's basketball teams for midweek Wednesday night games at the Auerbach Arena just to make sure these games get made up, WUPHF?  This is not Division I.  I would have also assumed that we would have had a makeup date and time for the Wash U at Chicago game as well by now.  (-k)

(Note:  I am not smiting you just because I disagree with you on your opinion.   The problem is that Dave McHugh explicitly pointed out some weeks back that neither Carnegie Mellon nor CWRU are just 2 hour bus rides away from Brandeis like schools in other DIII conferences with a narrower footprint.  Just the same, I would like a final decision on these games, soon, and I just got frustrated with your last post.  Nothing personal.)

[WUPHF]

+1 for being the first d3boards.com member ever to publicly admit to smiting another poster.

I think there is some confusion.

I have nothing but sympathy for Brandeis.  Especially the players. 

I would not fault Brandeis for being unable to make up any games.  Not only because of the financial constraints, but also for academic concerns.

I would be shocked if Brandeis makes up more than one.  I do hope they are able to for the sake of the players, but if they do, I think they prioritize the travel team and the final weekend.

My point was that Case Western Reserve may be less likely to make up the Brandeis game given the fact that the Judges have three to make up.

I feel confident that Emory and Case Western Reserve will lose more games before the end of the regular season, but if the Eagles win the league with the same number of losses, but a better winning percentage...

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I feel confident in saying this ... Brandeis isn't making up most if not all of the games they lost in the conference. The NYU game maybe, but none of the rest.

[DagarmanSpartan]

I agree.

It's highly unlikely that Brandeis will make up all of its cancelled games.

I'm pretty sure that there won't be a huge fight if the UAA declares its champion based on overall winning percentage, even if the number of games played isn't equal.

In the end, isn't UAA a multi-bid league anyway?

I doubt this will be a contentious issue.

[blue_jays]

On another note, unless I hear otherwise, I am assuming that both Wash U and Chicago have agreed that the January 8 game initially scheduled to be played at Chicago is now a cancelled game or a "No contest" due to COVID-19 protocols and will not be made up.  The reason why I am making this assumption is that the initial entry of that game of January 8, 2022 is no longer listed on the UAA, Wash U or Chicago men's basketball schedules.  If it were just postponed, there would be an entry on all of these schedules saying that the game of January 8, 2022 is postponed to a future date to be determined.

Also, the NYU men's basketball schedule is yet to be updated with the change made on Friday morning, January 28, 2022 that both the Brandeis men's basketball schedule and the UAA men's basketball schedule reflect regarding a makeup of the January 8 game between Brandeis and NYU on Sunday, February 27, 2022, and the ensuing change to date, time, and place of the game at NYU initially scheduled for Saturday, Feb. 26, 2022 at St. Francis College in Brooklyn, but would now be played a night earlier on Friday, Feb. 25 at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility in order to accomodate the makeup game at Brandeis.

The WashU at UChicago game is definitely going to be made up, they just haven't finalized the date yet therefore it is not on their schedules. 99.999% it will be played the last week so that they play each other twice that week. They're putting off announcing the reschedule because they need to see if any of their other games get nixed and adjust from there.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I agree.

It's highly unlikely that Brandeis will make up all of its cancelled games.

I'm pretty sure that there won't be a huge fight if the UAA declares its champion based on overall winning percentage, even if the number of games played isn't equal.

In the end, isn't UAA a multi-bid league anyway?

I doubt this will be a contentious issue.

Yes, the UAA would be a multi-bid league and being that it sits in multi regions, determining who gets the AQ could be important. It could be the difference between a team in one region sitting behind others ahead of them for at-large bids ... or being automatically in the tourney and not worrying about it. It actually could impact in a way how many bids the league gets.