MBB: University Athletic Association

[deiscanton]

To be blunt ... no one has all the answers right now. It is a very fluid situation and even situations where conferences had set plans going in are getting thought about again.

And I'm not following the Hopkins reference ... or I'm forgetting it.

Johns Hopkins never played a double round-robin-- the Bluejays always played a single round robin in UAA basketball.  In the late 1990s, UAA teams were only eligible for the AQ in basketball if they played a double round-robin vs the other 7 UAA teams who also played a double round robin, as well as a single round robin vs Johns Hopkins.  Since JHU competed in both the Centennial and UAA leagues, Johns Hopkins competed for the Centennial Conference AQ in basketball.  Therefore, the teams eligible for the UAA title played 15 UAA games, and the results in the games vs Johns Hopkins could not be used to settle tiebreakers, since JHU never played home and away UAA games vs all of the other 8 teams in the same season.  For example, in one season, Brandeis would host Johns Hopkins in basketball, and the following basketball season, Brandeis would travel to Baltimore.  Since JHU did not play 15 UAA games in a season, they were not eligible for the UAA title.

The standings those years would always have an asterisk beside the name of Johns Hopkins.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Oh those Hopkins policies ... okay.

I think at this point it would have to be something very different.

I'll ask this as well ... I understand "postponed" ... but when is a UAA team going to be able to make another trip to Boston this year to make up a basketball game? How could they afford it? And the same for Brandeis to make a trip anywhere else?

I understand the games are postponed ... but the reality is ... I don't see how they reschedule these games. This isn't a two hour drive down the interstate to another conference foe.

[deiscanton]

Oh those Hopkins policies ... okay.

I think at this point it would have to be something very different.

I'll ask this as well ... I understand "postponed" ... but when is a UAA team going to be able to make another trip to Boston this year to make up a basketball game? How could they afford it? And the same for Brandeis to make a trip anywhere else?

I understand the games are postponed ... but the reality is ... I don't see how they reschedule these games. This isn't a two hour drive down the interstate to another conference foe.

The point that I am trying to make is that the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct is not written the way that the new UAA Baseball and Softball Codes of Conduct are written.

When UAA baseball and softball decided to go single round robin to the other UAA campuses just a few years ago in a new policy to determine their championship titles (Remember, there are no AQs for the UAA in baseball and softball), the policy for determining a championship became best win-loss percentage among the teams competiting for the title, provided that each team plays a minimum number of UAA games.  The single round robin consists of 4 baseball games at each site that each team must play-- for a maximum of 16 games, as there are only 5 baseball teams playing for the UAA baseball title.  In softball, 6 teams compete for the UAA softball title.  In baseball, a UAA team must complete a minimum of 10 regulation games to be eligible for the baseball title, and in softball, each UAA team must also complete a minimum of 10 regulation games.  If there is a tie in win-loss percentage among the top teams who completed a minimum of 10 games, co-champions are determined.   The baseball and softball codes of conduct recognized that inclement weather can wipe out games on a permanent basis.  For example, a UAA team can travel to another baseball or softball site, but not be able to play due to heavy rain on all the eligible days of competition.

The basketball code of conduct, on the other hand, states that in order to be eligible for the championship, a team must complete a full schedule (which means a full double round robin) against all teams competing in UAA basketball-- in other words, all 14 games must be completed.  The best win loss percentage among all teams who successfully complete all 14 games is the Association Champion.  In the case of a tie between teams with the best win loss percentage among all teams who successfully complete the double round robin, co-champions shall be declared and we go to the tiebreakers.

When decisions are made on rescheduling UAA games according to the new COVID 19 cancellation and forfeit policy, due consideration must be given to the effect of not rescheduling on the potential selection of either team or other UAA teams to post-season play whether by automatic qualification or by at-large selection.

We do agree that there are substantial expenditures beyond the normal budget involved in rescheduling UAA games.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

deis... I'll leave this for you: https://twitter.com/CMU_TartanHoops/status/1479225883370131462

[deiscanton]

deis... I'll leave this for you: https://twitter.com/CMU_TartanHoops/status/1479225883370131462

Carnegie Mellon still has one non-conference game to reschedule.  The Tartans are 6-3 on the men's side, and they already have a 10th non-conference game scheduled vs La Roche on Monday, Jan. 10 (a make up game from a game cancelled earlier this season).    The game that CMU is looking for is non-conference game #11.  The Tartans already had games against Allegheny and Bethany (WV) cancelled this season.  The home game vs La Roche makes up for the lost game vs Allegheny, and CMU is now looking for one to replace the cancelled game vs Bethany, as the originally scheduled makeup game vs Messiah which was to be played earlier this week also got cancelled as well.

CMU plays at NYU on Sunday, January 16, so they can use January 13 or 14 to play non-conference game #11 (another makeup game from a non-conference game that was cancelled this season.)

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I am just hearing that isn't the only ones being looked at right now.

[WUPHF]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but Rochester has moved to a no spectator policy, but they offering up their live stream for free: https://uofrathletics.com/news/2022/1/6/general-ur-emory-hoop-doubleheader-will-be-streamed-at-no-charge.aspx

[stlawus]

I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

[deiscanton]

I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

I don't like the $7.95 day fee for 24 hours of access for live and on-demand viewing of Rochester home games, but $10.95 a month for a whole month's access to Rochester home games for live and on-demand viewing (with JC DeLass on commentary for basketball and football) does seem reasonable to me (YMMV)-- assuming, of course, that you remember to cancel the subscription when you no longer need it.   Of course, I am a "sap" who now is investing $16.95 a month to Big Ten Plus to watch former Wash U women's basketball coach Nancy Fahey lose basketball games at Illinois, and I did not even try to subscribe to Big Ten Plus until a month ago.    I'll have to cancel both the Rochester and Big Ten Plus subscriptions at the end of the basketball season.

[stlawus]

I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

Well that's part of the larger issue.  Is anyone supposed to believe the UR athletic budget can't handle livestreaming?  This is a school with an endowment the size of of some countries' GDP.

Admittedly, I was a sap back in 2014 when I purchased a stream when SLU soccer played at UR.  The only one I ever purchased since.  Hobart used to pay wall their streams too but removed it 5 years ago.   If everyone else can do it, I don't see why UR can't.

[WUPHF]

Of course, I am a "sap" who now is investing $16.95 a month to Big Ten Plus to watch former Wash U women's basketball coach Nancy Fahey lose basketball games at Illinois, and I did not even try to subscribe to Big Ten Plus until a month ago.    I'll have to cancel both the Rochester and Big Ten Plus subscriptions at the end of the basketball season.

Sadly, I don't think you'll need that subscription after this season.

[deiscanton]

Of course, I am a "sap" who now is investing $16.95 a month to Big Ten Plus to watch former Wash U women's basketball coach Nancy Fahey lose basketball games at Illinois, and I did not even try to subscribe to Big Ten Plus until a month ago.    I'll have to cancel both the Rochester and Big Ten Plus subscriptions at the end of the basketball season.

Sadly, I don't think you'll need that subscription after this season.

By "sadly" and "that subscription", you mean Big Ten Plus, correct?   I don't mind.  ESPN Plus gives more value for the buck, anyway.

[y_jack_lok]

Of course, I am a "sap" who now is investing $16.95 a month to Big Ten Plus to watch former Wash U women's basketball coach Nancy Fahey lose basketball games at Illinois, and I did not even try to subscribe to Big Ten Plus until a month ago.    I'll have to cancel both the Rochester and Big Ten Plus subscriptions at the end of the basketball season.

Sadly, I don't think you'll need that subscription after this season.

Gotta say I'm surprised Fahey hasn't done better at Illinois.

[WUPHF]

Gotta say I'm surprised Fahey hasn't done better at Illinois.

I am just as surprised.  I thought that was a great hire and great decision by everyone involved, but I think they are currently second to last or last in the Big 10 in her fifth year with losses to mid majors.  It is a tough, tough business...