MBB: University Athletic Association

emory_eagle · February 12, 2006, 04:23:00 PM

13.3 sec. left in 2OT @ Wash. U.

Emory 100 - Wash U. 101

(Breshears misses 2 FTs then Nading steals from Jeff Hall and layups for Wash. U.)

2 FTs coming up for Wash. U.

sandman · February 12, 2006, 04:25:56 PM

Thanks for the updates, Emory Eagle. I keep losing the signal from my computer.

emory_eagle · February 12, 2006, 04:27:27 PM

2OT Final @ Wash. U

Wash. U. 102 - Emory 100

Jeff Hall misses 3 at end of game.

86 FTs taken, 64 fouls called...ugly...and the women's game is next.

ds · February 13, 2006, 01:21:37 AM

An exciting game in St. Louis. Federigos had 34 in the second half and 23 straight Emory points to pull them out of an 18 pt deficit--they could have used him in the OT's though, he fouled out with two to go in regulation and only played 28 minutes.

Rhodes Scholar · February 13, 2006, 03:02:08 PM

UAA Standings

Carnegie Mellon 8-3
NYU 7-4
Rochester 7-4
Washington 7-4
Chicago 6-5
Brandeis 5-6
Emory 2-9
Case 2-9

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 13, 2006, 03:14:54 PM

That last game of the year with Rochester in Pittsburgh may be for the title. Of course a lot can happen, but it seems like they are charging hard at each other. I never thought Rochester would get back in it, but they've done well.

bamm · February 13, 2006, 04:32:42 PM

What are the tiebreakers?

If Rochester beats CMU and NYU beats Wash U ( and they hold serve otherwise) then there will be three-way tie between Rochester, CMU, and NYU, with every team splitting their games against the other.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 13, 2006, 04:37:58 PM

I don't know the tiebreakers. I was counting on WashU beating NYU. I just think NYU doesn't have the experience to handle this kind of pressure late in the season.

Rhodes Scholar · February 13, 2006, 05:06:34 PM

Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 13, 2006, 04:37:58 PM

I don't know the tiebreakers. I was counting on WashU beating NYU. I just think NYU doesn't have the experience to handle this kind of pressure late in the season.

This group of NYU players might not have experience contending for a UAA title, but they do have playing experience. Jared Kildare, their floor general, is a senior. And three of the other starters are juniors: Jason Boone, Mike DeCorso and Matt Basford. Chael Clark, one of their top reserves, is also a junior.

bouttime · February 13, 2006, 06:21:47 PM

Quote from: bamm on February 13, 2006, 04:32:42 PM
What are the tiebreakers?

If Rochester beats CMU and NYU beats Wash U ( and they hold serve otherwise) then there will be three-way tie between Rochester, CMU, and NYU, with every team splitting their games against the other.

I was wondering the same thing, I can look into what the tiebreakers are and get back to you.

hugenerd · February 13, 2006, 06:25:38 PM

Tiebreakers, in this order:

1: head-to-head among all tied teams,
2: best record vs. remaining finishers from top to bottom,
3: best record in road conference games,
4: coin flip.

sandman · February 13, 2006, 06:28:30 PM

Well, hugenerd beat me to the punch. And the coin flip has happened, most recently with the women in 2001.

hugenerd · February 13, 2006, 06:44:18 PM

For the purpose of this analyses I will assume CMU will lose at most 1 game of the last 3. Since the best that anyone can do is tie CMU for the top tiebreaker (since CMU has beaten all of the top 4 teams at least one time), the second tiebreaker is as follows currently:

CMU is 2-0 vs. WashU, 1-0 vs. Rochester, 1-1, vs. NYU
NYU is 1-1 vs. CMU, 1-1 vs. Rochester, 0-1 vs. WashU
WashU is 0-2 vs CMU, 1-0 vs. NYU, 1-1 vs. Rochester
Rochester is 0-1 vs. CMU, 1-1 vs. WashU, 1-1 vs. NYU

These are the scenarios, all dependent on how CMU does:

Scenario 1: CMU goes 3-0, they win the division

Scenario 2: CMU goes 2-1, the 3 2nd place teams must win all 3 in this case to get a share of the title. This said, NYU and WashU play eachother, so one of them will eliminate the other. Also, if CMU beats Rochester at the end of the season, they eliminate Rochester. If NYU beats WashU and CMU beats Rochester and both NYU and CMU have the same record, CMU would get the tiebreaker since they are 4-0 against WashU and Rochester and NYU lost to both WashU and Rochester. If NYU beats WashU and CMU loses to Rochester and both NYU and CMU have the same record, CMU still gets the tiebreaker since they are 3-1 against WashU and Rochester and NYU is 2-2. If WashU is the only school to tie CMU atop the standings, CMU wins the tiebreaker since they are 2-0 vs. WashU. If CMU ties with Rochester, they win the tiebreaker since CMU was 3-1 vs. WashU and NYU and Rochester was 2-2.

If CMU loses more than one game the scenarios are numerous and I will not do them.

In summary, if the top 4 schools in the UAA stay the same as they are now (CMU, NYU, WashU and Rochester) and CMU either goes undefeated or only loses 1 game, they still hold all tiebreakers and thus cannot be caught (someone check this because I am not 100% sure but according to my calculations this is correct, this also changes if one of the top 4 schools changes, for example if Chicago enters the top 4, which is not likely since they play both NYU and WashU, but it is possible). This is due to either the first or second tiebreaking criteria (and mainly a function of CMU going 2-0 vs WashU and all the other top schools splitting against eachother).

Thus, unless something extreme happens, CMU must lose 2 of its last 3 games to have a chance of losing the conference.

hugenerd · February 13, 2006, 06:48:02 PM

One last note, for the 3rd tiebreaker, if it gets there, CMU only has 1 road loss, while Rochester has 3, NYU has 3, and WashU has 3.

hugenerd · February 13, 2006, 11:57:58 PM

Another stat I found interesting, Carnegie Mellon has given NYU, Rochester, and WashU their only home conference losses this season. These 3 teams are a combined 16-0 vs. the rest of the UAA (including eachother) and 0-3 vs. CMU in their respective home gymnasiums.