MBB: University Athletic Association

[Ralph Turner]

WSL's nading gets his 4th foul.  NYU's Clark at the line 1&1, misses the second and NYU misses the put back and Nading rebs.

[Ralph Turner]

NYU Wilson Ft 1-2. WSL leads 75 -70.
WSL ball and they have the possession arrow.

[username1111]

I can't speak about the refs, but the Wash U broadcasters are hilarious. Late in the 2nd half they thought a foul should have been called on Boone, and when it wasn't they launched into a long lecture on NYU's "dirty play" and the refs' bias against Wash U... meanwhile, NYU has been called for more than twice as many fouls. Obviously, it's entirely possible that NYU has fouled more, but it is incredibly silly for the announcers to complain that their team is getting a raw deal. On the other hand, it has made the game an entertaining listen.

[Ralph Turner]

I sometimes wonder about the variation in officiating around the country.  We saw a similar disparity when UW-Stout women came to Southwestern in Dec, and played McMurry.  The game was called "more Naismithain" for the women in Texas, and McMurry did not get their 3rd foul in the second half until 3 minutes left.  UW-Stout had 9 by that time.

0:22 WSL 75-70. Nading misses both FT.
NYU at the line.

[Ralph Turner]

WSL 77-72. 0:12.

[Ralph Turner]

A discussion about the most recent NYU 3FG.  One announcer says that the foot was on the arc, and the other is discussing a 22-footer running jump shot.

[Ralph Turner]

Final WSL 79 NYU 78 OT, a downtown buzzer beater 3FG by the Violets.

[Pat Coleman]

and there seem to be far fewer away from the ball and "touch fouls" on wash please pat running this site doesnt give you the right to ignore well discussed biased nature of wash's refs

Nor does it mean I automatically assume everything a poster hears over the radio from student broadcasters is 100% correct and well interpreted.

Obviously, it's entirely possible that NYU has fouled more, but it is incredibly silly for the announcers to complain that their team is getting a raw deal.

Often this is the case. Just because a team gets called for more fouls doesn't automatically mean it is biased officiating. Often it's biased fandom.

[violet15]

obviously it is entirely possible, and probable that nyu had more fouls, it is simply the gap between the number of fouls, and the number of nyu players fouled out (in particular the 3 leading scorers) that i found to be rather egregious. i dont think you will ever find a disparity like that in  a game that took place at Coles in NY i'm sure if you looked through past stats you'd find this.

[Marty Peretz]

I thought the Wash U announcers did a solid job.
-one of the Wash U announcers.

Seriously though, we stayed as impartial as possible until Mike Tyson...err...Michael Decorso...PUNCHED Sean Wallis in the face. Then, a few minutes later, Boone threw an incredibly blatant elbow to Nading's face and was called for nothing. Anyway, I appreciate the feedback. Glad to know people are listening. It was a tremendous basketball game today and the officiating was suspect on both sides. NYU has a nice team, but just couldn't seal it down the stretch. Wilson is going to be a great player. Also, why doesn't Badford shoot more? Kid has an absolute stroke.

[Marty Peretz]

Also, I will give Violet 15 this: we were all over Decorso. Save for the sock armed lefty though, we were mostly complimentary of the NYU team. And perhaps you should reveal your true stripes, as number 15 on the violets is, of course, Decorso.  Boone got nothing but praise from us and we repetedly spoke of NYU's strong play and strong team. While it would be fair of you to say we were unprofessional in our comments concerning Decorso, it is unfair to say we were biased overall.

[violet15]

Also, I will give Violet 15 this: we were all over Decorso. Save for the sock armed lefty though, we were mostly complimentary of the NYU team. And perhaps you should reveal your true stripes, as number 15 on the violets is, of course, Decorso.  Boone got nothing but praise from us and we repetedly spoke of NYU's strong play and strong team. While it would be fair of you to say we were unprofessional in our comments concerning Decorso, it is unfair to say we were biased overall.

well id first like to say that the 15 is acoincidence in all seriousness having nothing to do with decorso. seriously. dont want to drag him into this. much of my anger was probably feuled by what was going on in the game. the main problem i had with the broadcast was only with value judgements which seemed to be being made against nyu players as being "dirty" whereas (though i am of course biased, i will admit that) i have never experienced any underhandedness on thier part.
no hard feelings marty?

ps i wouls LOVE to see the game film cause it seems hard to believe an elbow or a punch could have been missed by refs who found 36 other problems with nyu's play

[sean-o]

I would really like to thank both Brandeis fans and d3hoops.com writers for e-mailing in to the Chicago-Brandeis brodacast today. It's great to make it interactive as well as learn something about our opponents. In my experience with both soccer and basketball, Brandeis fans e-mail the most other than our own hometown ones... today even more so.

(By the way, sorry if we couldn't actually get to every thing in each e-mail... despite being commercial-free, there's just not as much time to read things at length as there is in soccer or baseball. Hopefully we integrated them well today, though, and the comments are always appreciated.)

About broadcasting, though we called our student startup Go Maroons audio a year ago (you wouldn't know now because we are using Teamline, though I suspect we will go back in the future), we really try to be as unbiased as possible. If not, we do try to make it drippingly obvious (as we do the puns). While we of course root for our home teams, we also decided from the start that the biggest compliment you can pay to a team is to take the games seriously. We also try to have fun and exaggerate the superlatives, of course (Omar's British influence).

About officiating, my personal feeling (and we did focus on the officiating more this weekend than I ever have before) is that broadcasters should mainly say that the player invovled or coaches are protesting. We don't have the best view, and every player always thinks they didn't commit or did draw the foul. Really our protests against officials is if the game is called too tight, dragging the game down. I think it's a different situation.

Again, thanks so much for listening and communicating, and we're looking forward to listening to Brandeis's and NYU's broadcasts this upcoming weekend!

[y_jack_lok]

I was at the Wash U-NYU game today. Huge descrepancy in fouls called, as noted. Just so you NYU fans won't feel alone, about 2 weeks ago I saw another game played in St. Louis between two teams in another conference. The visiting team was whistled for 33 fouls. All five of their starters fouled out, as did one other player, leaving only 3 fouls called on the five other players who played a combined 61 minutes. In that game the home team was whistled for 21 fouls. Unfortunately, the names of the officials of that game were omitted from the box score, so I can't determine if any of them were the same as those officiating at Wash U today.

[Rhodes Scholar]

A couple of observations about this weekend's UAA games:

1) The home team won every game.
2) The team with the better in-conference record going into the contest won every game.
3) Four teams retained their "mirror image" composition: Washington U. was 5-0 and Case Western Reserve was 0-5 going into the weekend. Now Washington U. is 7-0 and Case is 0-7. Chicago was 4-1  and Emory was 1-4 going in and now Chicago is 6-1 and Emory is 1-6.
4) Four teams "flip-flopped": Carnegie Mellon and Rochester were  both 2-3 going in and are now 4-3. While NYU and Brandeis were both 3-2 going in and are now 3-4.