MBB: University Athletic Association

[deiscanton]

UAA Internet coverage

Men's basketball

Weekend of Feb. 16-18, 2007

Friday, Feb. 16, 2007

All tip times 8 PM Eastern (7 PM Central)

1.)  Chicago at Rochester

Rochester audiocast:  http://www.wysl1040.com
Rochester videocast:  http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/webcast

J.C. DeLass with the call

2.)  Brandeis at Emory

Note:  All Emory videocasts and audiocasts are on a pay-per view/listen basis.

Emory videocast:  http://www.hrptv.com  ($10 per game)

Emory audiocast is on the Teamline service-- http://www.teamline.cc

Team Code 1028  ($10 per game on Internet, $25 per game on telephone).

3.)  NYU at Case

Case audiocast:  http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast

4.)  Wash U at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon audiocast:  http://www.wrct.org

Live stats also available-- Link available on CMU Athletics page-- http://www.cmu.edu/athletic

Sunday, Feb. 18, 2007

Tip times Noon Eastern (11 AM Central)

1.)  Wash U at Rochester
2.)  Chicago at Carnegie Mellon
3.)  Brandeis at Case
4.)  NYU at Emory

To follow Sunday's games, please follow Friday's instructions relative to the home site of the game that you are interested in following.

[username1111]

Are the UAA teams all only competing with the teams in their own region for a pool C bid? In other words, is it in Washington U's best interest for Rochester to beat Chicago and in NYU's best interest for the opposite to happen, or does it not matter either way? Thanks, as I know this may be an easy question for grizzled D-III postseason veterans.

[hugenerd]

Are the UAA teams all only competing with the teams in their own region for a pool C bid? In other words, is it in Washington U's best interest for Rochester to beat Chicago and in NYU's best interest for the opposite to happen, or does it not matter either way? Thanks, as I know this may be an easy question for grizzled D-III postseason veterans.

I dont think it is very simple, but I think it is more important that those teams keep winning themselves.  The way I understand post season selection, and someone can correct me if I am wrong, is that there is not a set number from each region.  However, the rankings in-region are important because once all the automatic bids are taken out of the equation, the selection committee compares the top-ranked team remaining in each region against eachother and selects the most deserving out of that group.  That team is then taken out of the rankings, the teams are reranked and the process is repeated until all spots are filled. So for example, if Rochester were ranked above NYU at the end of the year (and neither won the UAA), Rochester would have to be accepted into the tournament before NYU is even considered.

[pabegg]

Are the UAA teams all only competing with the teams in their own region for a pool C bid? In other words, is it in Washington U's best interest for Rochester to beat Chicago and in NYU's best interest for the opposite to happen, or does it not matter either way? Thanks, as I know this may be an easy question for grizzled D-III postseason veterans.

The Pool C bids go in a two-step process. First, the teams get ranked within the region. Then a national process is started with the eight regional leaders. One of these teams will be picked for the first Pool C bid. Then the second team from their region replaces them in the national consideration, and this repeats until all 19 Pool C teams are chosen.

So by finishing better in your own region, you get to the national table earlier, but generally if you're in the top 19 competitors nationally, you'll get in anyway. There were a couple of exceptions to this last year (WashU graded out better than Lakeland in the Midwest region, but missed the cut nationally, while Lakeland would probably have gotten in if they could have gotten to the national table).

So generally, any Pool C competitor is hoping that all of their fellow competitors lose (to either Pool A teams or teams not in the running). When it comes to a game like Rochester-Chicago, between two likely Pool C teams, it's not clear who to root for.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Just to be clear... there used to be a time where the Pool C bids were selected by a certain number per region. However, that has been done away with for a more "national" pool... though it is still - as pabegg points out - influenced by the regional rankings.

However, that isn't to say four or five teams could get Pool C bids in the Midwest before any team is taken in the Mid-Atlantic!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

However, that isn't to say four or five teams could get Pool C bids in the Midwest before any team is taken in the Mid-Atlantic!

Sadly it's more likely to go the other way around, as the Midwest teams beat up on each other and push their regional records down.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yes... this is a fair point... but they also tend to have better QOWI's then the Mid-Atlantic.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Yes... this is a fair point... but they also tend to have better QOWI's then the Mid-Atlantic.

Right-o, but then that presupposes the NCAA is thinking logically.


In either event, it all works out well for the UAA that can have three or four teams "on the table" at the same time.

[Marty Peretz]

The CMU radio guys are hysterical. Good work fellas.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Halftime:  Chicago 46, Rochester 40.

[Marty Peretz]

Chicago pulls out the win, 76-73. Wash.U. ahead by close to 20 with a little less than three minutes to go. That means that regardless of Sunday's results, the WashU, Chicago game next Saturday will be for the league championship. Even if Chicago were to lose Sunday (which they almost definitely won't), they could still take the title with a win over WashU. However, my question for this board's more UAA-knowledgeable members is as follows (and follow carefully): Say WashU and Chicago were to split the season series and both finish 11-3 in the league. How would the UAA determine the league champion? Whatever happens, that Chicago WashU game is going to be tremendous. WashU has alumni weekend the same day and is doing a campus-wide promotion with the goal of selling out the 2950 seat field house. It's also senior day and Chicago isn't that far, so I'm they'll bring some people as well. Looking forward to it. Final WashU score: 94-73.

[pabegg]

Chicago pulls out the win, 76-73. Wash.U. ahead by close to 20 with a little less than three minutes to go. That means that regardless of Sunday's results, the WashU, Chicago game next Saturday will be for the league championship. Even if Chicago were to lose Sunday (which they almost definitely won't), they could still take the title with a win over WashU. However, my question for this board's more UAA-knowledgeable members is as follows (and follow carefully): Say WashU and Chicago were to split the season series and both finish 11-3 in the league. How would the UAA determine the league champion? Whatever happens, that Chicago WashU game is going to be tremendous. WashU has alumni weekend the same day and is doing a campus-wide promotion with the goal of selling out the 2950 seat field house. It's also senior day and Chicago isn't that far, so I'm they'll bring some people as well. Looking forward to it. Final WashU score: 94-73.

First UAA tie-breaker is head-to-head, so this would not apply.
Second tie-breaker is results against teams in descending order of finish. Since both schools lost to NYU, this comes down to the comparison of Brandeis (WU's 3rd loss) and Carnegie Mellon (Chicago's putative 3rd loss). Since Brandeis is 2 games up on Carnegie Mellon with 2 to play, this would favor Chicago.
If Brandeis and Carnegie Mellon finish tied, the next tiebreaker is road record (which would be the same), so it would go to a coin flip in this case.

[deiscanton]

Recapping the other 2 UAA men's final scores from Friday:

Brandeis 76 @ Emory 67
NYU 65 @ Case 47

[username1111]

Just to be clear... there used to be a time where the Pool C bids were selected by a certain number per region. However, that has been done away with for a more "national" pool... though it is still - as pabegg points out - influenced by the regional rankings.

However, that isn't to say four or five teams could get Pool C bids in the Midwest before any team is taken in the Mid-Atlantic!

Thanks to everyone for the answers.

[Hoop Dreams]

Nice piece in Friday's Chicago Maroon about overlooked senior starters Drew Adams (coach's son  ) and Jason Vismantas (undersized forward  ).

http://maroon.uchicago.edu/online_edition/sports/2007/02/16/coachs-son-undersized-forward-lead-mens-hoops-revival/

I agree 100 percent with the premise of the article: without Adams and Vismantas stepping up big in their fourth years, the Maroons are nowhere near UAA title contention right now.