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hugenerd

Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2007, 02:07:30 AM
The Bears are yet to lose at home this season (13-0). For that reason alone, I can't bet against them. UC does has the experience factor, but with the expected packed house in WashU's favor, I can't see the Maroons pulling it out. It wouldn't shock me if they did, but they have no answer for Ruths. WashU 78, UC 74.

Tough to lose when you have that sixth man on your team, dressed in stripes.

mark_reichert

Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2007, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2007, 02:07:30 AM
The Bears are yet to lose at home this season (13-0). For that reason alone, I can't bet against them. UC does has the experience factor, but with the expected packed house in WashU's favor, I can't see the Maroons pulling it out. It wouldn't shock me if they did, but they have no answer for Ruths. WashU 78, UC 74.

Tough to lose when you have that sixth man on your team, dressed in stripes.

The game hasn't even been played and the griping has already begun.

Hoop Dreams

I think hugenerd was talking about the NYU game, and how it relates to Wash U's perfect home record.

dblock

Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2007, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2007, 02:07:30 AM
The Bears are yet to lose at home this season (13-0). For that reason alone, I can't bet against them. UC does has the experience factor, but with the expected packed house in WashU's favor, I can't see the Maroons pulling it out. It wouldn't shock me if they did, but they have no answer for Ruths. WashU 78, UC 74.

Tough to lose when you have that sixth man on your team, dressed in stripes.
you are correct sir

ILive4This

So the Pool C bids are reduced by one, this is not good news, what is good news is that the DEIS! DEIS! DEIS! I'M _______ shirts have arrived and will be available at the NYU game for anyone who would like to purchase them for $15 the proceeds go to the Doug Flutie Jr Foundation for Autism. I know some people on here wanted to purchase one so just letting you know that if you are at the coles center and want a piece of UAA memorabilia it will be available to you.

On a side note, Brandeis and NYU's chances of making the tournament are that much tougher. I vaguely remember a numbers game earlier this year that had Brandeis as the 18th Pool C team at that time, so I can say I am a little nervous for our guys now, and the mood around the offices did not appear enthusiastic about this math error. Just wondering how everyone here thinks this will affect the teams in the conference if at all.

deiscanton

UAA Internet coverage

Men's basketball

Saturday, Feb. 24, 2007

1.)  Case at Emory

Tip time:  Noon Eastern (11 AM Central)

Emory videocasts and audiocasts are on a pay-per view/listen basis.

Emory videocast:  http://www.hrptv.com  ($10 for the videocast)

Emory audiocast is on the Teamline service-- http://www.teamline.cc

Team Code: 1028  ($10 for internet; $25 to listen via. any telephone line.)

Note:  All other UAA men's games tip at 3 PM Central/ 4 PM Eastern.

2.)  Chicago at Wash U

(Winner of this game wins the UAA's Pool A automatic bid-- Wash U clinches a UAA co-championship with Chicago with a victory.)

Wash U audiocast:  http://www.kwur.com

Chicago audiocast:  http://maroon.uchicago.edu/sportsreport/?page_id=4

3.)  Brandeis at NYU

(Match between 2 bubble teams for the NCAA DIII tournament.)

NYU audiocast:  http://www.wnyu.org
Brandeis audiocast: http://www.wbrs.org

(Note:  I anticipate that WBRS will be making the trip to New York, given the nature of the game.)

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Rochester

Rochester videocast:  http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/webcast

Rochester audiocast:  http://www.wysl1040.com

(J.C. DeLass on play-by-play for Rochester with Eddie Baron doing the color commentary.)

Carnegie Mellon audiocast:  http://www.wrct.org

 

ILive4This

WBRS will be at the game from what people have told me. It is also my understanding that some Alumni who have called games in the past will take the mic for this game.

TheKatzInTheHat

It'll be interesting to see what Brandeis does to combat the big bodies of NYU. Last time they played, Hollins had a huge presence but without him Brandeis loses another big body down low. A win for Brandeis in this game would give them tremendous momentum going into the postseason with a series of big wins in a row...

Quote from: ILive4This on February 22, 2007, 09:16:08 PM
WBRS will be at the game from what people have told me. It is also my understanding that some Alumni who have called games in the past will take the mic for this game.

WBRS will be there and the Alumni will definitely be on the mic throughout the game. Even moreso than actual Alumni day at Brandeis, this NYU game brings out the Alumni to come root on the Judges. It'll be interesting to see if the Brandeis fan presence that has been so large this season at the home games makes the trek to NYU to see this game...

mark_reichert

Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 22, 2007, 11:37:14 AM
I think hugenerd was talking about the NYU game, and how it relates to Wash U's perfect home record.

This once again assumes a vast conspiracy among all the St. Louis referees of those home games and I can't think of a bigger insult to the Bears or its fans.

hugenerd

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Quote from: mark_reichert on February 23, 2007, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 22, 2007, 11:37:14 AM
I think hugenerd was talking about the NYU game, and how it relates to Wash U's perfect home record.

This once again assumes a vast conspiracy among all the St. Louis referees of those home games and I can't think of a bigger insult to the Bears or its fans.

First of all, mark, you seem like a very excitable person.  Second of all, I do not understand why you keep bringing up this "conspiracy."  Perhaps I feel that refs at one game (v. NYU) were biased.  And if you would like to prove that the refs were not biased, maybe you could explain to me how: WashU shot 33 more free throws than NYU, NYU committed 20 more fouls than WashU, NYU was able to average close to a foul per minute throughout the entire game, and why NYU committed 18.5 more fouls in that game than their season average.  As a matter of fact, NYU has not committed more than 22 fouls in any game this season, besides the game against WashU where they committed 36.  I am not a statistics major, but here is a statistical analysis for you:

# of games NYU has played: 24 (assuming that this a large enough sample to encompass the population mean and standard deviation)
fouls committed per game: 17.54
standard deviation of fouls committed per game: 4.65
Fouls versus WashU: 36

Z score for fouls in WashU game = (36-17.54)/ 4.65 = 3.97

What that Z score means (once you look it up in a Z score table) is that, the chance of NYU committing 36 fouls or more in any game would be 0.0036% and the percentage of games they would commit less than 36 fouls is 99.9964%.  So that means that the 36 fouls against WashU is what one would call an EXTREME outlier, meaning that the 36 fouls most likely did not happen by chance. 

Let me also point out that if you take out the first WashU game, NYU only averages 16.7 fouls a game and the standard deviation is only 2.54 fouls (which is a rather tight distribution considering that there are so many possible variables involved in a statistic such as fouls- such as playing style, refs, game situation, etc.).  If you compute a Z-score for 36 fouls in a game considering this new mean and standard deviation, you get a value of 7.56.  The z-score table I have does not go up to z-scores that large, meaning that the odds of NYU fouling 36 times in a game is less than 0.00001% if you throw out the first WashU game.  In addition, only 5 days after the first meeting, NYU committed exactly half as many fouls (18) against the same WashU team.

What I am trying to convey by these calculations is not that my assumptions are correct or that these calculations are even needed.  You could see this just by looking at the numbers.  The refs in that game, for whatever reason, did not call the game fairly or evenly.  That is my opinion by analyzing the numbers for that game and comparing them to what NYU has done all season long. 

I stick by my opinion and if that offends you, so be it.

howardjp

Quote from: ILive4This on February 22, 2007, 09:16:08 PM
WBRS will be at the game from what people have told me. It is also my understanding that some Alumni who have called games in the past will take the mic for this game.

Darn!  I knew I should have gone, and I actually did a NYU game one year, long, long ago ....or was it CCNY?

Mr. Ypsi

hugenerd,

As a retired statistics instructor, I salute your analysis!

Of course, technically, it is all a waste of time, since it assumes that number of fouls called is a random variable (as opposed to somehow tied to real world behavior).  But as a bball fan, I suspect you're right that the discrepancy reflects referee bias (and/or incompetence) rather than a sudden 'thuggishness' by your team! ;)

hugenerd

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 23, 2007, 08:54:22 PM
hugenerd,

As a retired statistics instructor, I salute your analysis!

Of course, technically, it is all a waste of time, since it assumes that number of fouls called is a random variable (as opposed to somehow tied to real world behavior).  But as a bball fan, I suspect you're right that the discrepancy reflects referee bias (and/or incompetence) rather than a sudden 'thuggishness' by your team! ;)

Thanks for your approval.  Also, just to clarify, NYU isnt my team.  I am a CMU alum.

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: hugenerd on February 23, 2007, 09:13:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 23, 2007, 08:54:22 PM
hugenerd,

As a retired statistics instructor, I salute your analysis!

Of course, technically, it is all a waste of time, since it assumes that number of fouls called is a random variable (as opposed to somehow tied to real world behavior).  But as a bball fan, I suspect you're right that the discrepancy reflects referee bias (and/or incompetence) rather than a sudden 'thuggishness' by your team! ;)

Thanks for your approval.  Also, just to clarify, NYU isnt my team.  I am a CMU alum.

Sorry about that. :)

hugenerd

No need to apologize, there is no way you would have known from my post.