MBB: Skyline Conference

[mid-range j]

mt st vincent, martime, and purchase are all in the playoffs, wow what is the world coming too? 

jus kidding, thats really a great thing..maybe there programs are starting to turn around, props to the coaches.. but after seeing a lot of skyline games the past couple of years that is pretty funny..

[Raptormania!]

Well, I would steer clear of criticizing the other teams in the Skyline. But Bard, Poly and Purchase were playing in an unrecognized conference, the HVMAC, just a few years ago. (Bard only got its first win in THAT conference 5-6 years ago!) So I think it is worth giving them some adjustment time before writing them off.

And apparently, so does Yeshiva:

Bard 75, Yeshiva 70

[raptor31]

Before we get a 29 year old we will keep our stud PG. Another standard day for J Dubs! No big deal though! Just an easy 39 and 7 steals to lead the Raptors to that first win! Took all season but they finally did it. I mean have the best player in the conference will eventually help you. I mean the kid who could only start for 3 teams in the skyline avg 34 pts 8 reb and 3 steals for his last week. That probably not good enough to start for most division III schools though. Great job to all the guys for stepping up and playing a big game today. It was meaningless in the grand scheme but to be 0-24 and put it all out there for pride is tough to do and these kids went all out for 40 minutes. Maccabi Assasin Yonah Greenstein hit the game winning 3 off a J White assist with under a minute left. He wrapped the game up by hitting the sealing 2 FTs too!! Big game for the kid against a team that didn't really recruit him out of the Yeshiva league. Adam Shear has been playing great basketball and scored 14 on 4 3s for another great game. Expect 15 ppg from him next year and this kid will work to add more to his game than just a 3 pt shot.

I didn't mean any disrespect but it is tough when your academic standards are above your comp it is tough to recruit in the same class. Obviously, you need better players to win but when people who are ignorant to the situation rip on the school and a kid who played his ass off all year in a bad situation I am going to take it a little personal. I mean let's be serious, 23 ppg at any level means you can play. The crazy thing is this kid isn't a pure scorer but in the role he has shot close to 40% from 3, 50% from the field and scored about 30 ppg in the final 7 games since they made a couple changes and got J off the ball a little more. They played Farmingdale at home to a tough game that ended up being an 8 pt loss and played great basketball for what they have on the court over that final stretch.

What I am saying is that there is no coach in the Skyline who wouldn't take him as their starting PG. On his HS city runner up team he was a playmaker and in his first two years at Bard he was used primarily setting up his teammates. Only because of the lack of supporting scorers and impact players has he been forced to take on that role. If you talk to this kid he would rather have 4 guys around him and just distribute the ball and in this role is where he truly thrives. We will see who is brought in and what the progress of the guys on the team is. There are a lot of nice pieces in place to be role players they just need a couple more bodies, the return and improvement of Alvarez-Ringer, and hopefully another great year from the BEST GUARD IN THE SKYLINE HANDS DOWN!!! LETS GOOOO!!!

Good luck to hopefully St. Joes and Farmingdale in the tourney, two great teams with some potential to make a little noise if given the right matchup.

[Queens]

Is this post serious? Did you really just 4 paragraphs about a 0-24 team?  If anyone is interested im going to write a 3 page game recap of the Medgar Evers VS Pratt game ( probably the worst game in the history of division 3, on paper at least)...

It playoff time raptor get your head in the game kid!

[Raptormania!]

No, he wrote about one of the finest players in the Skyline Conference, who just posted 46 and 39 on back-to-back games, shooting 55% and turning the ball over just twice while playing all 40 minutes against teams that keyed their defenses on him.

If you don't think this is worth writing about, then I feel sorry for you.

[Queens]

Raptor and Raportmania is this the same person? Only people in the world that care about 0-24 team... its impressive dont get me wrong but lets keep things in perspective he played Yeshiva.  Yes Yeshiva, put any of the starting 5 from farmingdale on Bard let them play against the vaunted Yeshiva defense, let them take 24 shots, and have the rock every time down the court the same thing will happen...I've seen Yeshiva play, lets be serious Raptor(s) the team is miserable.  Kids a very good player but hes playing for one of the worst teams in the country, playing in meaningless games with no consquences. 

Two teams ranked in the top 5 in the region and were talking BARD BASKETBALL!!! Thats like going into a Big east message board and start talking about a guy on south florida dropping 38 on St Francis College...

[Raptormania!]

We'll agree to disagree. White averaged 34 points in four games this week, put up 46 in the second game playing back-to-back nights, shot 55 percent with defenses keying on him, and in today's game didn't commit a single turnover.
I think any serious student of basketball knows when you are facing double and triple teams, it is harder to score. White not only scored, he did it efficiently.

[Pat Coleman]

Two teams ranked in the top 5 in the region and were talking BARD BASKETBALL!!!

So why are you talking Bard basketball instead of talking about what you want to talk about? Change the subject instead of whining.

[BklynBasketball]

while i dont believe he is the best pg in the skyline, or the best guard in the sjyline i DO have to commend the young man for playing his tail off even though as Queens said there was little to no motivation. White is a very good player and deserves accolades.

[Raptormania!]

Pat,

It is a tribute to the extent Bard basketball defines the conversation that even those who don't wish to are magnetically drawn to this proud program set to rise again next season. It's not his fault.

[Queens]

Damien Santana on Farmingdale just became all time leading scorer in school history last week, on a team that wins 20+ games every season and makes the NCAA tournament year after year...Now thats impressive

[Raptormania!]

Damien Santana on Farmingdale just became all time leading scorer in school history last week, on a team that wins 20+ games every season and makes the NCAA tournament year after year...Now thats impressive Now that's also impressive

Fixed. Not looking to run down Santana- how about you give some credit to White? Or is it too hard to recognize 34 points per game, tremendous shooting and continued effort in the face of an adversity-laden season?

[Pat Coleman]

Raptormania -- we got it, you like White. He and Bard don't have to be injected into every topic. All in favor of Bard basketball being talked about but let's not go overboard.

[123456]

Damien Santana on Farmingdale just became all time leading scorer in school history last week, on a team that wins 20+ games every season and makes the NCAA tournament year after year...Now thats impressive Now that's also impressive

Fixed. Not looking to run down Santana- how about you give some credit to White? Or is it too hard to recognize 34 points per game, tremendous shooting and continued effort in the face of an adversity-laden season?

Only my second post, but I feel the need to ask you where you get your stats on Justin White??  Last I checked he averaged 22.3 points per game (http://www.skylineconference.org/Sports/stats/mbb/0809/HTML/BC.HTM#team.ind)....then i look at his assist to turnover ratio and it's 79-114.....his shooting % doesnt even get him in the top 10 in the conference..i will give you the fact that he shoots a pretty good % from 3 (40.6) but thats honestly it.  


ANYWAY, more important than BARD COLLEGE is the fact that the tournament is starting up tomorrow.  #5 Purchase goes to #4 OW...the two teams split the regular season games with both teams winning on their homecourt.  In the other game, #6 MSV goes to #3 Maritime...MSV beat the Privateers twice this season, including a 20 point win in the Bronx.  Both games should be rpetty exciting, any calls on who comes out ahead??

[Raptormania!]

"Raptormania -- we got it, you like White. He and Bard don't have to be injected into every topic. All in favor of Bard basketball being talked about but let's not go overboard."

I assume this is a joke, Pat- just defending Justin White's accomplishments against those running him down in this thread.
But notice that even in your note urging people to talk about something other than Bard basketball, you mentioned "Bard" twice, "White once", and "Raptormania" as well. Bard basketball and D3Hoops are inextricably linked!