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[tjcummingsfan]

It sure looked chippy all game.  Sad to hear that player broke his foot, what a terrible thing to happen at this point in the season. 

[augie77]

NSCAA-TV will be webcasting the November 1 (7:00 pm CDT) North Park at Wheaton game.  NSCAA-TV is a first rate outfit that will provide ESPN type graphics, instant replay, professional announcers and other features rarely found in D-3 sports broadcasts.  Look to the Wheaton website for further information as it is posted.

This will also be the final regular season home game for 13 Wheaton seniors, though formal senior night activities occurred last week-end versus Illinois Wesleyan.

[tjcummingsfan]

North Park grabbed the win at home against North Central last night 2-1.  With IWU knocking off Carthage, it moves NP into 2nd in conference and gives them a chance, with a win Friday at Wheaton, to share the regular season conference title with the Thunder. 

[voiceofseason]

IWU basically went "Dennis Rodman" on Thunder.  Lots of cheap fouls behind the play, trash talking and diving.  IWU 21 fouls, WC 13.  Center ref let game get out of control.  Brutal slide tackle from behind in the 78th minute was last straw.  Broke the foot of one of WC's top players.  Might be out for the rest of the season.  WC guy went after the offender and got the red.  Played the last 12 mins down a man.  I used to have a lot of respect for IWU and coach Lakin.  They have had some great teams the last several years and can play "soccer" and always have played hard, but never cheap.  They went way over the line on Saturday.  Sad to see.......... WC boys were tired (3rd game in 4 days in a mid term finals week) and probably could have handled it a little better but at some point you have to say enough is enough.

It will do no good to get into a back and forth here, but your comments are without merit and moreso, without fact.  To my view, Wheaton was constantly late and dirty, which is atypical and disappointing of such a storied program.  To each is own - you have your opinion, and I have mine.

But where facts don't lie, the Wheaton player received the red card for shoving the ref.  You can't pin that one on IWU.

The most factual thing you said is that Wheaton was tired.  I believe one of the games (Benedictine) had to get shoe-horned into the schedule - I'm sure Coach G didn't want to do that to the kids.  Soccer is too intense of a game to play 3 games in 4 nights.

[Thunder1]

IWU basically went "Dennis Rodman" on Thunder.  Lots of cheap fouls behind the play, trash talking and diving.  IWU 21 fouls, WC 13.  Center ref let game get out of control.  Brutal slide tackle from behind in the 78th minute was last straw.  Broke the foot of one of WC's top players.  Might be out for the rest of the season.  WC guy went after the offender and got the red.  Played the last 12 mins down a man.  I used to have a lot of respect for IWU and coach Lakin.  They have had some great teams the last several years and can play "soccer" and always have played hard, but never cheap.  They went way over the line on Saturday.  Sad to see.......... WC boys were tired (3rd game in 4 days in a mid term finals week) and probably could have handled it a little better but at some point you have to say enough is enough.

It will do no good to get into a back and forth here, but your comments are without merit and moreso, without fact.  To my view, Wheaton was constantly late and dirty, which is atypical and disappointing of such a storied program.  To each is own - you have your opinion, and I have mine.

But where facts don't lie, the Wheaton player received the red card for shoving the ref.  You can't pin that one on IWU.

The most factual thing you said is that Wheaton was tired.  I believe one of the games (Benedictine) had to get shoe-horned into the schedule - I'm sure Coach G didn't want to do that to the kids.  Soccer is too intense of a game to play 3 games in 4 nights.

Fair enough voiceofseason.  I can appreciate that someone might have a different opinion as to what transpired during the game.  Please keep in mind that my response was to someone who was NOT at the game looking for some context to the game statistics and why WC reacted, as you stated correctly, in an "atypical" manner.  Additionally, I was not condoning WC's behavior.  As I stated, I felt WC could have handled the situation better.  My point was that I felt it was in response to IWU.  I can understand your response to my statements of opinion, but to suggest that my comments were without merit and fact is disingenuous.

Facts from previous statement

Fouls.  IWU 21  WC  13 
Slide tackle from behind broke the foot of one of WC's top players in 78th minute.  Out the rest of the season.
WC got a red after that foul
Played last 12 mins a man down
3rd game in 4 days for WC

Just the foul totals alone would suggest who was instigating that type of play
Slide tackle from behind ends the season of one of WC's top players.  Enough said.
Was not trying to "pin" the red card on IWU.  He deserved the card.  And yes, he did push the referee (who was trying to restrain him from going after the offending player)

Additional facts to consider

Prior to that game, WC had a total of 5 yc's in the previous 15 games
In that same time period IWU had 21 yc's

Why would a team who has had only 5 yc's in 15 games get 6 cards in one game?  It was a fair question to ask.

The facts are pretty clear, but I guess the answer to that question is a matter of opinion.............

No hard feelings voiceofseason.  I appreciate your comments.  Just calling it as I see it.  Good luck against NC.  If the boys meet again, hopefully BOTH sides will be better behaved.

[blue_jays]

Great win by the Thunder over NPU in a match they dominated for long stretches. Golz getting his 15th goal late off yet another header. Smells like an All-American season for him.

[Gotberg]

Great win by the Thunder over NPU in a match they dominated for long stretches. Golz getting his 15th goal late off yet another header. Smells like an All-American season for him.

Watched a bit of the game on the internet yesterday.  Looked like Wheaton pretty much dominated the first half and was pretty even in the second.

North Park seems to struggle when playing against quick, athletic teams.

[voiceofseason]

IWU basically went "Dennis Rodman" on Thunder.  Lots of cheap fouls behind the play, trash talking and diving.  IWU 21 fouls, WC 13.  Center ref let game get out of control.  Brutal slide tackle from behind in the 78th minute was last straw.  Broke the foot of one of WC's top players.  Might be out for the rest of the season.  WC guy went after the offender and got the red.  Played the last 12 mins down a man.  I used to have a lot of respect for IWU and coach Lakin.  They have had some great teams the last several years and can play "soccer" and always have played hard, but never cheap.  They went way over the line on Saturday.  Sad to see.......... WC boys were tired (3rd game in 4 days in a mid term finals week) and probably could have handled it a little better but at some point you have to say enough is enough.

It will do no good to get into a back and forth here, but your comments are without merit and moreso, without fact.  To my view, Wheaton was constantly late and dirty, which is atypical and disappointing of such a storied program.  To each is own - you have your opinion, and I have mine.

But where facts don't lie, the Wheaton player received the red card for shoving the ref.  You can't pin that one on IWU.

The most factual thing you said is that Wheaton was tired.  I believe one of the games (Benedictine) had to get shoe-horned into the schedule - I'm sure Coach G didn't want to do that to the kids.  Soccer is too intense of a game to play 3 games in 4 nights.

Fair enough voiceofseason.  I can appreciate that someone might have a different opinion as to what transpired during the game.  Please keep in mind that my response was to someone who was NOT at the game looking for some context to the game statistics and why WC reacted, as you stated correctly, in an "atypical" manner.  Additionally, I was not condoning WC's behavior.  As I stated, I felt WC could have handled the situation better.  My point was that I felt it was in response to IWU.  I can understand your response to my statements of opinion, but to suggest that my comments were without merit and fact is disingenuous.

Facts from previous statement

Fouls.  IWU 21  WC  13 
Slide tackle from behind broke the foot of one of WC's top players in 78th minute.  Out the rest of the season.
WC got a red after that foul
Played last 12 mins a man down
3rd game in 4 days for WC

Just the foul totals alone would suggest who was instigating that type of play
Slide tackle from behind ends the season of one of WC's top players.  Enough said.
Was not trying to "pin" the red card on IWU.  He deserved the card.  And yes, he did push the referee (who was trying to restrain him from going after the offending player)

Additional facts to consider

Prior to that game, WC had a total of 5 yc's in the previous 15 games
In that same time period IWU had 21 yc's

Why would a team who has had only 5 yc's in 15 games get 6 cards in one game?  It was a fair question to ask.

The facts are pretty clear, but I guess the answer to that question is a matter of opinion.............

No hard feelings voiceofseason.  I appreciate your comments.  Just calling it as I see it.  Good luck against NC.  If the boys meet again, hopefully BOTH sides will be better behaved.

I am here to tell you both sides were equally aggressive.  There is archived film of the game if you care to watch it.

Wheaton had five YC's in that game alone. 

My initial response was predicated by your remarks about not respecting Coach Lakin, and by inferring he had formulated a game plan to draw Wheaton into a match of thuggery.  That couldn't be further from the truth.  I have other thoughts,  but I'm just going to leave it here.

Good luck to the Thunder in the tournament.  Based on ability, I said at the start of the season I thought they would win the national title this year.  Some of that was from seeing them play, some of that was assumption about the incoming players.  We shall see.

[KICKIN95]

The Wheaton v NP match is a hackfest! I have been watching since the start of the 2nd half and there has been 5 yellows and 2 that should have red cards.  Crazy stuff!

[tjcummingsfan]

And already someone sent off for Wheaton, yeah? 

[KICKIN95]

I just realized that after Wheaton scored to equalize things they were playing down 1.

[mr_b]

I just realized that after Wheaton scored to equalize things they were playing down 1.

Going into overtime; by my count, there have been seven yellow cards and two reds (one for each team).  All but one card issued in the second half.

[Gotberg]

I just realized that after Wheaton scored to equalize things they were playing down 1.

Wheaton scored when it was 10 v 10.

[KICKIN95]

I didn't even to think to count NP's players.  When these teams lose players?

[Gotberg]

I didn't even to think to count NP's players.  When these teams lose players?

55th for Wheaton 74 for NP.

I didn't see the Wheaton red.  2nd yellow for NP.