Pool C -- 2009

[AUKaz00]

Maine Maritime beats Curry to impose some 500-mile limits on the brackets.

I just posted this on an East Region board, but thought I'd pose it to a national audience as well:

Does anyone know how the 500 mile rule works exactly?  Is it driving mileage or a linear distance?  Castine, ME is 475 miles from Alfred, but over 600 miles by car.

For the record, here are how I think the East teams will be matched up in the MUC bracket:
2 Del Valley vs. 7 Susquehanna
3 Alfred vs. 5 Albright
4 Montclair vs 6 Maine Maritime

[Ralph Turner]

All races now decided (as of 7:30 pm, Saturday).

Pool A-B-C Races

Pool C comes down to this:

7 one-loss teams for 6 spots.  I've also included the two-loss teams:

"East"
Albright (9-1/9-1  Loss to Del Valley) (win Saturday)
Plymouth State (8-2/8-1)
Kean (8-2/8-2 lost to Del Valley) (lost Saturday)
Lebanon Valley (8-2/8-2  losses Del Valley and Albright) (lost Saturday)

"South"
Mary Hardin-Baylor (9-1/7-1 lost to Miss College) (win Saturday)
Washington & Jefferson (9-1/9-1 lost to TMC) (win Saturday)
Dickinson (8-2/8-2  Loss to JHU and Ursinus) (lost Saturday)
Franklin & Marshall (8-2/ lost to Dickinson and JHU) (win Saturday)

"North"
Wabash (9-1/ 8-2 Lost to Witt) (win Saturday)
Ohio Northern (8-2/ 8-2 Lost to MUC and Otterbein) (win Saturday)
Otterbein (8-2/ 8-2  Loss to MUC and Marietta ) (win Saturday)
North Central (8-2/ 8-2  Loss to ONU and IWU) (win Saturday)

"West"
St. Thomas (9-1/ Loss to SJU) (win Saturday)
Coe (9-1/ Loss to Central) (win Saturday)
St. Norbert (9-1/ Loss to Monmouth)
Concordia (Ill) (8-2/) (lost Saturday)   North Region
Willamette (8-2/7-2 Losses  to Concordia-Moorhead and Linfield) (win Saturday)
Occidental (7-2/7-2 Loss to Linfield and Cal Lutheran) (win Saturday)

This looks too easy.  I think that SNC is left on the table and the other 1-loss teams are in.

[pg04]

Maine Maritime beats Curry to impose some 500-mile limits on the brackets.

I just posted this on an East Region board, but thought I'd pose it to a national audience as well:

Does anyone know how the 500 mile rule works exactly?  Is it driving mileage or a linear distance?  Castine, ME is 475 miles from Alfred, but over 600 miles by car.

For the record, here are how I think the East teams will be matched up in the MUC bracket:
2 Del Valley vs. 7 Susquehanna
3 Alfred vs. 5 Albright
4 Montclair vs 6 Maine Maritime

I answered you on the other board as well, but it's done using the NCAA mileage calculator

[Bob.Gregg]

The way I see it, there may never have been a field of 32 with as strong a won-loss record:

one team with 4 losses.

six teams with 2 losses.

the other 25 teams will have one loss or none

[usee]

Bob,

Great work. I agree with Ralph although I haven't compared the numbers of SNC to the others that will be on the board at the end. I don't see any way ONU gets in over any of these teams. (I think they should.....but I don't think they will.)

[smedindy]

All races now decided (as of 7:30 pm, Saturday).

Pool A-B-C Races

Pool C comes down to this:

7 one-loss teams for 6 spots.  I've also included the two-loss teams:

"East"
Albright (9-1/9-1  Loss to Del Valley) (win Saturday)
Plymouth State (8-2/8-1)
Kean (8-2/8-2 lost to Del Valley) (lost Saturday)
Lebanon Valley (8-2/8-2  losses Del Valley and Albright) (lost Saturday)

"South"
Mary Hardin-Baylor (9-1/7-1 lost to Miss College) (win Saturday)
Washington & Jefferson (9-1/9-1 lost to TMC) (win Saturday)
Dickinson (8-2/8-2  Loss to JHU and Ursinus) (lost Saturday)
Franklin & Marshall (8-2/ lost to Dickinson and JHU) (win Saturday)

"North"
Wabash (9-1/ 8-2 Lost to Witt) (win Saturday)
Ohio Northern (8-2/ 8-2 Lost to MUC and Otterbein) (win Saturday)
Otterbein (8-2/ 8-2  Loss to MUC and Marietta ) (win Saturday)
North Central (8-2/ 8-2  Loss to ONU and IWU) (win Saturday)

"West"
St. Thomas (9-1/ Loss to SJU) (win Saturday)
Coe (9-1/ Loss to Central) (win Saturday)
St. Norbert (9-1/ Loss to Monmouth)
Concordia (Ill) (8-2/) (lost Saturday)   North Region
Willamette (8-2/7-2 Losses  to Concordia-Moorhead and Linfield) (win Saturday)
Occidental (7-2/7-2 Loss to Linfield and Cal Lutheran) (win Saturday)

This looks too easy.  I think that SNC is left on the table and the other 1-loss teams are in.

Who's the last one in? Albright? W&J?

[wally_wabash]

W&J is the last one in there. I'm still not sold that W&J and their schedule grade out better than ONU with their SOS and win over a RR team. We shall see. I think either selection is justified.

[HScoach]

It would be a shame if W&J got in over ONU.  W&J beat nobody.

[Ralph Turner]

W&J is the last one in there. I'm still not sold that W&J and their schedule grade out better than ONU with their SOS and win over a RR team. We shall see. I think either selection is justified.

Well. the front page poll asks how many two-loss teams will earn Pool C bids.

[Bob.Gregg]

It would be a shame if W&J got in over ONU.  W&J beat nobody.

And ONU lost to Otterbein

[ADL70]

and Otterbein lost to Marietta.

Haven't we been here before?   

[Bob.Gregg]

I imagine, if Ralph's right, that W&J would be the 6th Pool C team in, IF they get in.

While not a published criteria, here's one of those "human factors" that will be considered:

UMHB lost to Miss Coll by 3
Wabash lost to Wittenberg by 3
St. Thomas lost to St. Johns by 3 in OT
W&J lost to Thomas More by 7
Coe lost to Central by 18
St Norbert lost to Monmouth by 28
Albright lost to Delaware Valley by 29

St. John Fisher also has only ONE in-region loss, but two other losses to D-III teams.  Their in-region loss was by 3 to Alfred.

We'll see what tomorrow afternon brings.

[Bob.Gregg]

and Otterbein lost to Marietta.

Haven't we been here before?   

We have.  My very point.  And the published criteria says Otterbein gets a bump with the h-t-h win, plus a win over a regionally ranked opponent (ONU)...

last comment on the Ott/ONU topic

[pg04]

I imagine, if Ralph's right, that W&J would be the 6th Pool C team in, IF they get in.

While not a published criteria, here's one of those "human factors" that will be considered:

UMHB lost to Miss Coll by 3
Wabash lost to Wittenberg by 3
St. Thomas lost to St. Johns by 3 in OT
W&J lost to Thomas More by 7
Coe lost to Central by 18
St Norbert lost to Monmouth by 28
Albright lost to Delaware Valley by 29

St. John Fisher also has only ONE in-region loss, but two other losses to D-III teams.  Their in-region loss was by 3 to Alfred.

We'll see what tomorrow afternon brings.

I actually think Fisher is probably the better team when compared to Albright, but Record wise I just don't see any way the comittee would chose them. 

[usee]

In the end, I am simply not convinced the committee will take a 2 loss team over a 1 loss team.