Pool C -- 2009

[wally_wabash]

It would be a shame if W&J got in over ONU.  W&J beat nobody.

And ONU lost to Otterbein

Otterbein isn't ranked higher than ONU.  They aren't in the discussion.  The discussion is between ONU and three 1-loss teams.  Otterbein couldn't matter less right now.  They blew their chance to matter. 

[Pat Coleman]

St. Norbert has a significantly better SOS than W&J. If a one-loss team gets taken ahead of the much better Ohio Northern, I would suspect it would be St. Norbert.

[K-Mack]

St. Norbert has a significantly better SOS than W&J. If a one-loss team gets taken ahead of the much better Ohio Northern, I would suspect it would be St. Norbert.

I agree, I think W&J is toast. They needed more help than just Dickinson losing.

Would not be surprised in the least if ONU got in over St. Norbert.

We shall see.

[HScoach]

and Otterbein lost to Marietta.

Haven't we been here before?   

We have.  My very point.  And the published criteria says Otterbein gets a bump with the h-t-h win, plus a win over a regionally ranked opponent (ONU)...

last comment on the Ott/ONU topic

We can only hope!

[Bob.Gregg]

Would not be surprised in the least if ONU got in over St. Norbert.

We shall see.

What specific criteria is it that puts ONU on the board ahead of North Central, by the way?

In region record?  no
OWP?  NCC (.575 v. .544)
OOWP?  NCC (.568 v. .524)
NCAA?  NCC (.573 v. .537)

We will see what happens...

[HScoach]

Would not be surprised in the least if ONU got in over St. Norbert.

We shall see.

What specific criteria is it that puts ONU on the board ahead of North Central, by the way?

In region record?  no
OWP?  NCC (.575 v. .544)
OOWP?  NCC (.568 v. .524)
NCAA?  NCC (.573 v. .537)

We will see what happens...

You're going to love this one:

HEAD TO HEAD

[Bob.Gregg]

We can only hope!

No big deal, HScoach.  You probably should spend some of your HOPE hoping that your team doesn't get screwed out by failure to use stated criteria...

Meanwhile, the rest of us who have SEEN some criteria followed and others, mysteriously, ignored, will continue to examine, discuss, ponder, consider and debate.  When, finally, we get down to the ESPNews announcement this afternoon, we'll be able to find you sitting over there in your Barney Chair, always hopeful.

Whether you like it or not, my postings in the discussion regarding Otterbein (not my team, by the way) were totally and completely based in the NCAA-stated criteria.  Not hope, not dreams, not wishes, not some mystical hopeful wishing of hscoach.  stated criteria.  period.

Will the AA follow that?  who knows.  But you just hope your day away and keep on smiling.  It'll make people wonder what you're up to.

[Bob.Gregg]

You're going to love this one:

HEAD TO HEAD

See, there you go.  Head to head matters when you want to make it matter.  But you just throw it out when you want to use just those other numbers...typical.

[wally_wabash]

Do we know that the regional advisory committees have to use the same listed criteria that the NCAA uses for selection and seeding?  I can't find information on this. 

[HScoach]

We can only hope!

No big deal, HScoach.  You probably should spend some of your HOPE hoping that your team doesn't get screwed out by failure to use stated criteria...

Meanwhile, the rest of us who have SEEN some criteria followed and others, mysteriously, ignored, will continue to examine, discuss, ponder, consider and debate.  When, finally, we get down to the ESPNews announcement this afternoon, we'll be able to find you sitting over there in your Barney Chair, always hopeful.

Whether you like it or not, my postings in the discussion regarding Otterbein (not my team, by the way) were totally and completely based in the NCAA-stated criteria.  Not hope, not dreams, not wishes, not some mystical hopeful wishing of hscoach.  stated criteria.  period.

Will the AA follow that?  who knows.  But you just hope your day away and keep on smiling.  It'll make people wonder what you're up to.

Wow.  Someone has their panties in a serious wad.  Hope you don't get a rash from that.

I have a feeling that I'll be just fine watching the selection show.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

We can only hope!

No big deal, HScoach.  You probably should spend some of your HOPE hoping that your team doesn't get screwed out by failure to use stated criteria...

There is a chance that MUC doesn't make the playoffs???  Interesting thought.

[Bob.Gregg]

Here's the funniest part, at least for me...

The team I cover shouldn't get in, not by the listed criteria...
There are probably six one-loss teams that have better numbers in the primary criteria.
If the team I cover gets in, somebody should be unhappy about being left out.

So, my panties aren't in a bunch. I've been on this road for a lot of years.

Have a good day, have a good tournament, have a good off-season.  Whatever your case is, be hopeful...

[Bob.Gregg]

Here are your Pool C's, by the criteria (at least the listed criteria):

Albright
St. Thomas
Wabash
Coe
St. Norbert
UMHB

All one-loss teams with SOS numbers between .463 & .528.
Regional record trumps higher SOS number.

That's the way I see.  Might be wrong, have been before.

[usee]

To be very clear, HSCoach is and always has been an MUC guy. He even does their games on the radio with some other lesser known  guy with a website. So I am pretty sure HSC won't be fretting the selection show too much.

That said I agree with Bob, I don't see how the committee can put a 2 loss ONU team in the field ahead of a 1 loss SNC or even WJ, even though they should and ONU is as good as most of the teams that will be in the tourney. I just can't see it happening.  I too have been wrong before.

[Bob.Gregg]

HScoach has nothing to do with Pool C then, and hasn't for a very long time.
Best wishes to the Purple People Eaters at MUC and their radio guy...more than one hs coach has found life in the booth better than that on the sidelines...

As far as whether ONU is as good as most of the teams in the tourney, that doesn't really matter.  That is NOT one of the criteria...

IF the AA is going to publish the qualifying criteria, they should follow them.
IF the AA isn't going to follow them, they should quit publishing them.
The AA really shouldn't be able to have it both ways, and neither should fans of any team.