Pool C -- 2009

[Ralph Turner]

What's interesting is there really aren't many Pool C teams in the North (barring upsets of Witt, MUC or CWR) the only pool C candidates in the North are Wabash and Wheaton. Where they end up relative to each other MAY be important but I have to believe if they both finish with 1 loss they both get in.

You may also see Concordia, Il make this list as they are the likely AQ from their conf after their win over Concordia WI.

The 2 loss team scenario is a lot more real this week than it was last week. Still a lot of 1 loss teams but their are some big games for many of them coming up.

Wabash still has DePauw in the Monon Bell game.  That might be for the Pool C bid, too.

[usee]

What's interesting is there really aren't many Pool C teams in the North (barring upsets of Witt, MUC or CWR) the only pool C candidates in the North are Wabash and Wheaton. Where they end up relative to each other MAY be important but I have to believe if they both finish with 1 loss they both get in.

You may also see Concordia, Il make this list as they are the likely AQ from their conf after their win over Concordia WI.

The 2 loss team scenario is a lot more real this week than it was last week. Still a lot of 1 loss teams but their are some big games for many of them coming up.

Wabash still has DePauw in the Monon Bell game.  That might be for the Pool C bid, too.

True but it only affects the North Region pool C teams if Wabash loses. DePauw is  a South Region Team. That's important since only 1 pool C team from each region is at the table on Selection Sunday at a time.

[Schwami]

What's interesting is there really aren't many Pool C teams in the North (barring upsets of Witt, MUC or CWR) the only pool C candidates in the North are Wabash and Wheaton. Where they end up relative to each other MAY be important but I have to believe if they both finish with 1 loss they both get in.

You may also see Concordia, Il make this list as they are the likely AQ from their conf after their win over Concordia WI.

The 2 loss team scenario is a lot more real this week than it was last week. Still a lot of 1 loss teams but their are some big games for many of them coming up.

Wabash still has DePauw in the Monon Bell game.  That might be for the Pool C bid, too.

True but it only affects the North Region pool C teams if Wabash loses. DePauw is  a South Region Team. That's important since only 1 pool C team from each region is at the table on Selection Sunday at a time.

While the Monon Bell game may turn in to a "play in" game, it may be another forlorn hope for DePauw even with a victory.  DePauw cannot finish better than 8-1, which may put it behind all other Pool C hopefuls.  They could also line up third behind UMHB and W&J in the South Region.  It would help DePauw if Wabash remained regionally ranked, but there could be a logjam of quality 8-2 teams in the North that keeps Wabash out of the final regional rankings at that point.  (Does it matter if a team has a win over a regionally ranked opponent from a different region? Or does it count only if the team is from the same region?)

[wally_wabash]

As far as the selection committee goes, Wabash would only be 8-1 at the end of the year as well, Schwami.  That @#*$#'n Washington game that Wabash has to take and I hate with a passion is non-regional and doesn't help Wabash at all.   If Pool C is as tight after 11/14 as it is right now, that one game that doesn't count for squat could be a difference maker. 

[usee]

It is certain that the final Regional rankings are an important excercise to determine pool C bids. If a 1 loss Depauw is sitting behind 2 other 1 loss teams they may never get to the table while a 1 loss Wheaton will be there from the start (if Wabash loses to Depauw--that is NOT a predicition). There are still so many key games to play that it won't surprise me at all to see a 2 loss team in the picture.

Wally,
I don't think 8-1 is looked at any differently than 9-1 in the rankings.

[Ron Boerger]

DePauw will have a win against a regionally ranked opponent - Centre, should both they and DePauw win on Saturday.  That should help.  

[DPU3619]

DePauw will have a win against a regionally ranked opponent - Centre, should both they and DePauw win on Saturday.  That should help. 

It should indeed, particularly since neither UMHB or W&J have one.  I know you guys touched on it above, but if 2 loss Wabash stays in the North ranking, DePauw would be 8-1 overall with a 2-0 record vs. region ranked opponents.

EDIT: Nevermind.  DePauw didn't beat Centre.  I regret the error.  Maybe Millsaps sneaks up there, else they'd be 1-0 against region ranked teams.

[Ron Boerger]

Duh, that's right.  Sorry.   

[DPU3619]

[Hawks88]

Didn't stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night? tsk tsk

[d-train]

I feel like I'm looking over four lists to get a vague picture of Pool C likelihoods.  Does this help?  

One-loss Pool C candidates:

UMHB
St. Thomas
Wheaton (@ IWU this week)
Coe
Wabash/DePauw winner (DePauw still roughly 50/50 for Pool A - depending on Centre @ Trinity)
Wash. & Jeff.
Springfield
St. Norbert
Redlands (still to play @ Cal Lu)

Obviously teams need to win to stay on that list.  Others might be added if they lose grip of their Pool A (perhaps Centre; Albright?).

Strongest two-loss teams:
ONU/Capital winner
Bethel (if they knock off St. Thomas)
Others? Willamette?


Thoughts, edits, corrections, etc. are welcome...

[Ralph Turner]

In a 3-way tie in the SCIAC, Cal Lu gets the bid on the SICAC's "Rose Bowl" rule.

Redlands could be a one-loss (Oxy) SCIAC tri-champ.

If St Thomas beats Bethel, then their only loss is in OT to SJU.

Coe has one loss, 24-6 to Central.

[Ron Boerger]

D-train, Centre would be a one-loss Pool C candidate should they win this weekend (50-50) and DePauw lose to Austin (maybe 20% chance).  

[d-train]

D-train, Centre would be a one-loss Pool C candidate should they win this weekend (50-50) and DePauw lose to Austin (maybe 20% chance). 

Okay, I noted that above. DePauw holds the head-to-head for the Pool A over Millsaps if Centre loses, right?

I don't know teams outside the West very well (especially East teams/scenarios).

[Ralph Turner]

I feel like I'm looking over four lists to get a vague picture of Pool C likelihoods.  Does this help?  

One-loss Pool C candidates:

UMHB
St. Thomas
Wheaton (@ IWU this week)
Coe
Wabash/DePauw winner (DePauw still roughly 50/50 for Pool A - depending on Centre @ Trinity)
Wash. & Jeff.
Springfield
St. Norbert
Redlands (still to play @ Cal Lu)

Obviously teams need to win to stay on that list.  Others might be added if they lose grip of their Pool A (perhaps Centre; Albright?).

Strongest two-loss teams:
ONU/Capital winner
Bethel (if they knock off St. Thomas)
Others? Willamette?


Thoughts, edits, corrections, etc. are welcome...

+1!  Looks good.

Let's overlay the Wednesday regional rankings on your table.