Pool C -- 2009

[usee]

I am thinking 2 teams from the west go north. I think UWW goes to the north as the #1 seed (MUC east) and one of the pool C's goes as teh 7 or 8 seed. It would be very convenient to put St. Norberts vs UWW as a north #8 v #1 in round 1. With so many 1 loss teams I have to think the 2 loss teams are on the outside looking in but I would rank them:

ONU
NCC
Wheaton/Otterbein

ONU could really benefit from a Wabash loss to Depauw as they would likely be at the pool C table right away (but possibly to no avail)

[Ralph Turner]

UMHB is in the position to be a nightmare for anyone who gets them.

I can imagine that the criteria may not have them any higher than 5th or 6th in the Region.  (With only 8-in-region games, all in conference, their OWP/OOWP will be around .500)

The only place that they can be bussed is to Mississippi College which has the head-to-head over UMHB.  Huntingdon can only be bussed to Mississippi College.  HC had very favorable comparisons, results versus common opponents, etc., with Mississippi College.


SOUTH REGION (Second Regional Rankings)
1. Wesley 5-0 8-0  Pool B
2. Hampden-Sydney 8-0 8-0  clinches Pool A with win over RandyMac
3. Thomas More 8-0 8-0          Pool A
4. Huntingdon 4-0 7-1            Pool B ( and no clarification on those SLIAC in-region games)
5. Mississippi College 6-1 6-2  Pool A
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor 5-1 7-1  Pool C
7. Centre 7-1 7-1                     Lost to Trinity. DePauw is Pool A
8. Dickinson 7-1 7-1                 JHU has inside track on Centennial Conference Pool A
9. Washington and Jefferson 7-1 7-1         Pool C
10. DePauw 6-1 6-1                 SCAC Pool A (play Wabash on Nov 14th)

WEST REGION  (Second Regional Rankings)
1. St. John's 8-0 8-0                     Pool A
2. UW-Whitewater 6-0 8-0          Pool A
3. Linfield 7-0 8-0                       Pool A
4. Central 9-0 9-0                          Pool A
5. Monmouth 9-0 9-0                       Pool A
6. St. Thomas 7-1 7-1                  Pool C
7. Coe 7-1 7-1                             Pool C
8. Cal Lutheran 6-1 6-1                Plays Redlands for Pool A
9. Redlands 6-1 6-1                         "     CalLU            "
10. St. Norbert 8-1 8-1                   Pool C

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There are lots of travel orphans out there.  It looks like Linfield and the SCIAC Pool A are travel orphans, too.  Does the committee create a sub-bracket of travel orphans?  Cal LU/Redlands  at Linfield is a nice #3 vs #8.

Do you send UMHB out of region?  Will there be "politicking" by AD's/Coaches who want UMHB sent bracketed anywhere but against them?  It sure looks interesting.

[PA_wesleyfan]

 Ralph looking at the regional rankings could give UMHB and W and J cause for concern. They are ranked ahead of three conference champions(if Johns Hopkins wins) and behind Wesley and Huntingdon two teams who with wins this week will get  B bids.  With Centre losing maybe N.C. Wesleyan or Johns Hopkins move into the top ten.   Could we see two south teams moving? As far as C bids go, are Wand J's and UMHB resumes strong enough to compete agains the other regons one loss teams?? A few teams have tough games this week and that could change some positioning ion the south region.

[Ralph Turner]

IMHO, I think that UMHB is first on table from the South Region.

I don't think that the committee goes thru 6 rounds of selection and bypasses them each time.

I also think that UMHB would rather fly out of the Region than play Miss College in the first round.

I also wonder if the unspoken sentiment of D3 is to send UMHB to Miss College in the first round to knock out one of those teams early.

[PA_wesleyfan]

The NCAA may be paying for a few more flights this year.

[@d3jason]

There are a lot of candidates to move in the South region. Thomas More could go North again, so could Depauw. Wesley could easily be moved east along with Dickinson, Hopkins and W &J (who could go North too if they get in.)

[altor]

I think Wesley almost has to stay "South," if only to give that bracket a true #1 seed.

At the risk of drawing some ire, what do y'all think of this bracket (seeds are negotiable):

1 Wesley vs. 8 NC Wesleyan/Averett
4 Huntingdon vs. 5 Mississippi College
3  Hampden-Sydney vs. 6 UMHB
2 Linfield vs 7 Cal Lu/Redlands

Seems to balance out pretty well compared to what the other three brackets would be and gives the committee some flexibility in the other brackets (like keeping Thomas More and DePauw closer to home).

[Ralph Turner]

I think Wesley almost has to stay "South," if only to give that bracket a true #1 seed.

At the risk of drawing some ire, what do y'all think of this bracket (seeds are negotiable):

1 Wesley vs. 8 NC Wesleyan/Averett
4 Huntingdon vs. 5 Mississippi College
3  Hampden-Sydney vs. 6 UMHB
2 Linfield vs 7 Cal Lu/Redlands

Seems to balance out pretty well compared to what the other three brackets would be and gives the committee some flexibility in the other brackets (like keeping Thomas More and DePauw closer to home).

Not ire, just good discussion...

That means that you can send Centennial to the East, which they would probably prefer.

I think that you have taken too many teams out of the West Region.  It is hard to fill that bracket, because you almost need MUC in the "East" and UWW in the "North".

[altor]

Not ire, just good discussion...

Perhaps, but I know the Texas and West Coast people hate their perennial sub-brackets.  I wasn't sure how y'all would feel about those two brackets being combined in the second/third rounds.   

[@d3jason]

Interesting scenario. Looks like a lot of flights though. What if Mount Union Was moved South and Wesley is moved East? What would that look like?

[Ralph Turner]

Not ire, just good discussion...

Perhaps, but I know the Texas and West Coast people hate their perennial sub-brackets.  I wasn't sure how y'all would feel about those two brackets being combined in the second/third rounds.    

I think that the Texas and West Coast "island" teams would like a little variety, especially in the first round.  I don't think that H-SC wants to fly to McMinnville, if they beat UMHB

[HSCTiger74]

I think Wesley almost has to stay "South," if only to give that bracket a true #1 seed.

At the risk of drawing some ire, what do y'all think of this bracket (seeds are negotiable):

1 Wesley vs. 8 NC Wesleyan/Averett
4 Huntingdon vs. 5 Mississippi College
3  Hampden-Sydney vs. 6 UMHB
2 Linfield vs 7 Cal Lu/Redlands

Seems to balance out pretty well compared to what the other three brackets would be and gives the committee some flexibility in the other brackets (like keeping Thomas More and DePauw closer to home).

Doesn't look too bad, except I think (not surprisingly) that if H-SC takes care of business next week they will have earned the right to at least a #2 seed and maybe a #1 if Wesley actually does move elsewhere. Plus I agree with Ralph that UMHB will be a nightmare for somebody and (selfishly) I'd rather it be somebody else for at least one round. 

[algernon]

My suggested bracket, with Hampden-Sydney moving upto #1 ahead of Wesley, since the Tigers (9-0) beat a common opponent (Salisbury) by 45 points that Wesley (9-0) beat by only 18 points:

1 Hampden-Sydney vs. 8 Johns Hopkins
4 Huntingdon vs. 5 Mississippi College
3 Thomas More  vs. 6 DePauw
2 Wesley vs 7 North Carolina Wesleyan

UMHB flies somewhere else.

[PA_wesleyfan]

Wesley ahs a win over a regionally ranked team in Del Val and the comittee doesn't take into score against common opponents

[wesleydad]

Plus Salisbury cared about the Wesley game as it was a rivalry, whereas the Hampden-Sydney game was just another game.  Proof would be the 8 turnovers.

Ralph, I agree with you, moving Linfield and Cal/Redlans winner south would leave the west a little short.

Algernon, I like the bracket if you switch Wesley and Hampden-Sydney.  The proximity would work well.  I also would like to see new teams, so if they ship Umhb elsewhere, great.  I have seen them the last 2 years and they are good, despite the lose, they will be tough to deal with for anyone.