Conference Tournaments

[7express]

Looks like this is the NJAC tournament:

#6 New Jersey City (14-11, 9-9) (51)
@ 2/16 1:00
#3 Richard Stockton (18-6, 13-5) (55)

#5 Rowan (17-8, 10-8) (56)
@ 2/16 2:00
#4 William Patterson (16-9, 11-7) (71)

Ramapo #1 (21-4, 15-3) and Rutgers-Newark #2 (19-6, 13-5) get the bye's

#3 Richard Stockton (19-6, 14-5)
@ 2/20 7:00
#2 Rutgers-Newark (19-6, 13-5)

#4 Willliam Paterson (17-9, 12-7)
@ 2/20 7:00
#1 Ramapo (21-4, 15-3)

[Hugenerd]

NEWMAC Tournament February 20, 23-24 at #1 seed (MIT/WPI)

Wednesday, February 20
#5 Babson at #4 Clark

Saturday, February 23
Semifinals
#4/#5 at #1 MIT/WPI
#3 Springfield/WPI vs. #2 MIT/WPI

Sunday, February 24
Championship

If WPI loses to Clark next Saturday, MIT is the #1 seed (MIT has already completed the conference slate at 10-2, WPI is currently 9-2).  If WPI beats Clark, then MIT and WPI would be tied and I believe all tiebreakers would be tied (MIT and WPI split, and each lost at Springfield).  Therefore, a coin toss would decide the host, unless the conference has recently come up with new tiebreaker criteria that I am unaware of.  I also believe that Springfield would hold the tiebreaker against WPI, if WPI loses on Saturday and Springfield wins (as a result of sweeping Clark, and WPI splitting). So WPI could go from 1st to 3rd in just 2 games.

Apparently the NEWMAC has a tiebreaker criteria I was unaware of.  I thought all tiebreakers had to do with conference games, but apparently non-conference common opponents is a tiebreaker, according to boston.com:

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/2013/02/mit_men_topple.html

"WPI (21-2, 9-2) can still secure home court in next week's NEWMAC tourney, however, with a win against Clark Saturday, with its sweep of nonleague foes Salem State and Rhode Island College serving as the tiebreaker (MIT lost to both teams)."

[hickory_cornhusker]

NEWMAC Tournament February 20, 23-24 at #1 seed (MIT/WPI)

Wednesday, February 20
#5 Babson at #4 Clark

Saturday, February 23
Semifinals
#4/#5 at #1 MIT/WPI
#3 Springfield/WPI vs. #2 MIT/WPI

Sunday, February 24
Championship

If WPI loses to Clark next Saturday, MIT is the #1 seed (MIT has already completed the conference slate at 10-2, WPI is currently 9-2).  If WPI beats Clark, then MIT and WPI would be tied and I believe all tiebreakers would be tied (MIT and WPI split, and each lost at Springfield).  Therefore, a coin toss would decide the host, unless the conference has recently come up with new tiebreaker criteria that I am unaware of.  I also believe that Springfield would hold the tiebreaker against WPI, if WPI loses on Saturday and Springfield wins (as a result of sweeping Clark, and WPI splitting). So WPI could go from 1st to 3rd in just 2 games.

Apparently the NEWMAC has a tiebreaker criteria I was unaware of.  I thought all tiebreakers had to do with conference games, but apparently non-conference common opponents is a tiebreaker, according to boston.com:

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/2013/02/mit_men_topple.html

"WPI (21-2, 9-2) can still secure home court in next week's NEWMAC tourney, however, with a win against Clark Saturday, with its sweep of nonleague foes Salem State and Rhode Island College serving as the tiebreaker (MIT lost to both teams)."

I don't know how I feel about that as a tiebreaker. I think conference tiebreakers should only consider conference results and/or stats. However, it is using common opponents which is better than the MIAA tiebreaker in football which goes to the better non-conference record.

[mailsy]

CSAC Tournament

Saturday February 16
#6 Centenary @ #3 Keystone
#5 Neumann @ #4 Immaculata

Cabrini #1 and Gwynedd Mercy #2 get byes
Lowest seed remaining plays at Cabrini  2/19
Next lowest plays at Gwynedd 2/19

Finals Friday February 22 at highest remaining seed.

[Hugenerd]

NEWMAC Tournament February 20, 23-24 at #1 seed (MIT/WPI)

Wednesday, February 20
#5 Babson at #4 Clark

Saturday, February 23
Semifinals
#4/#5 at #1 MIT/WPI
#3 Springfield/WPI vs. #2 MIT/WPI

Sunday, February 24
Championship

If WPI loses to Clark next Saturday, MIT is the #1 seed (MIT has already completed the conference slate at 10-2, WPI is currently 9-2).  If WPI beats Clark, then MIT and WPI would be tied and I believe all tiebreakers would be tied (MIT and WPI split, and each lost at Springfield).  Therefore, a coin toss would decide the host, unless the conference has recently come up with new tiebreaker criteria that I am unaware of.  I also believe that Springfield would hold the tiebreaker against WPI, if WPI loses on Saturday and Springfield wins (as a result of sweeping Clark, and WPI splitting). So WPI could go from 1st to 3rd in just 2 games.

Apparently the NEWMAC has a tiebreaker criteria I was unaware of.  I thought all tiebreakers had to do with conference games, but apparently non-conference common opponents is a tiebreaker, according to boston.com:

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/2013/02/mit_men_topple.html

"WPI (21-2, 9-2) can still secure home court in next week's NEWMAC tourney, however, with a win against Clark Saturday, with its sweep of nonleague foes Salem State and Rhode Island College serving as the tiebreaker (MIT lost to both teams)."

I don't know how I feel about that as a tiebreaker. I think conference tiebreakers should only consider conference results and/or stats. However, it is using common opponents which is better than the MIAA tiebreaker in football which goes to the better non-conference record.

Especially since it also doesn't take into account any home/away distinction.  So a team could lose a close non-conference game on the road, while the team they are tied with in the conference win against the same opponent at home, and the tiebreaker goes to the team that won at home...  I only bring this up because both MIT and WPI are undefeated at home this year, so both of MITs common losses were on the road, while WPI played one at home.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Considering getting to this kind of tie-breaker means they have gone through all of the conference-based options to break the tie... they have to go somewhere to break it. Some conferences use the NCAA SOS numbers, which then takes into account all of the regional games those teams have played. So if we are going to break a tie that hasn't been broken by several other, better options... and to avoid going to a coin flip... you might as well look at common opponents no matter where the games were played.

[KnightSlappy]

Considering getting to this kind of tie-breaker means they have gone through all of the conference-based options to break the tie... they have to go somewhere to break it. Some conferences use the NCAA SOS numbers, which then takes into account all of the regional games those teams have played. So if we are going to break a tie that hasn't been broken by several other, better options... and to avoid going to a coin flip... you might as well look at common opponents no matter where the games were played.

I'm not sure a coin flip is worse than looking at common opponent results played at different locations.

A 0-3 point loss on the road is as good or better than a 0-3 point win at home versus the same team.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I am talking about trying to keep a somewhat sad decision maker like the coin flip from deciding something the players and teams have been deciding on the court.

I know some conferences that used to draw numbers at the beginning of the academic year (and they may still) and that number was for every team in every sport. Seemed fair in some ways, but also was incredibly unfair since the same school would win the decision every time if they were a low enough number (1, 2, etc.).

I just would rather have them decide it based on what teams have done in the season then saying - "heads or tails."

[KnightSlappy]

I just would rather have them decide it based on what teams have done in the season then saying - "heads or tails."

Sure, but a going gives both teams 50-50 odds where as a common opponent that differed home/road for two teams stacks the odds something like 53-47.

Would you rather flip a fair coin in the future, or flip a (potentially) unfair coin that's already been flipped?

[smedindy]

I think the NCAC works out this way. There was a tie for 3rd (three way), 6th and 8th. Sorry Hiram, you go home.

EDITED! I had the tiebreaker in Wabash's favor, but the NCAC had Denison as #6. Hmmm...

#8 Oberlin @ #1 Wooster
#7 Wabash @ #2 Ohio Wesleyan
#6 Denison @ #3 Kenyon
#5 Wittenberg @ #4 DePauw

[Hugenerd]

NEWMAC Tournament February 20, 23-24 at #1 seed (MIT/WPI)

Wednesday, February 20
#5 Babson at #4 Clark

Saturday, February 23
Semifinals
#4/#5 at #1 WPI
#3 Springfield vs. #2 MIT

Sunday, February 24
Championship

[njf1003]

Centennial Tournament

Wednesday Night
#5 Gettysburg at #4 Muhlenberg

Semifinals all at F&M Friday 6:00 and 8:00
well...it might be 5:30 and 7:30 (they can't get it straight!)
#2 Dickinson vs #3 Johns Hopkins
Winner 5/4 at #1 F&M

Finals at F&M Saturday 7:00
Winner 5/4/1 vs. Winner 2/3

[smedindy]

Well, the NCAC just fixed the bracket. I had it RIGHT the first time!

#8 Oberlin @ #1 Wooster
#7 Denison @ #2 Ohio Wesleyan
#6 Wabash @ #3 Kenyon
#5 Wittenberg @ #4 DePauw

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

HCAC Tournament

2/19
#6 Mount St Joseph @ #3 Transylvania 7:30pm
#5 Franklin @ #4 Defiance 7:30pm

2/22
#3/#6 vs #2 Hanover 6:00pm at RHIT
#4/#5 @ #1 Rose-Hulman 8:00pm

2/23
Championship 7:00pm at RHIT

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

2012-13 MIAC Men's Basketball Playoff Schedule
Quarterfinals: Wednesday, Feb. 20
No. 6 Saint John's at No. 3 Augsburg | Minneapolis, Minn. | 7:30 p.m. |
No. 5 Bethel at No. 4 Carleton | Northfield, Minn. | 7:30 p.m. |

Quarterfinals: Friday, Feb. 22
Lowest-remaining seed at No. 1 St. Thomas | St. Paul, Minn. | 7:30 p.m. |
Second-lowest remaining seed at No. 2 Concordia | Moorhead, Minn. | 7:30 p.m. |

Championship: Sunday, Feb. 24
Semifinal winners at top remaining seed | Site: TBA | 2 p.m. |
*Playoff champion earns the MIAC's automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament


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