Where would you like to see Division III grow?

Ralph Turner · July 04, 2010, 04:06:24 PM

NAIA map.

The NAIA map does not have these teams denoted.

Source--NAIA 2009-10 Link

Independents -- Ohio Dominican is going to D-2 next season.

Frontier Conference -- Add Montana Western

Great Plains AC -- Add Dordt NE

Mid-South East -- Realign from the Mid-South West Cumberlands KY)

Mid-South West -- Add Faulkner, Montgomery AL

Mid-State Football Association Mideast
--No Geneva (D3) or Ohio Dominican and Urbana (D2)
--Add Marian IN.
--Re-align from the MSFA-Midwest -- Olivet Nazarene, St Xavier IL and Trinity International IL

Mid-State Football Association Midwest
--Add Grand View IA and Waldorf IA

doolittledog · July 05, 2010, 12:46:48 AM

From the NAIA map you can delete Dana College from the GPAC...that school closed their doors on July 1st after a sale of the school to investors fell through. The GPAC will also lose the NAIA national champ next year when Sioux Falls goes over to D2.

The DAC should be losing Minot St, Black Hills St, and South Dakota Mines to D2 in the next year.

Ralph Turner · July 05, 2010, 03:07:36 AM

Quote from: doolittledog on July 05, 2010, 12:46:48 AM
From the NAIA map you can delete Dana College from the GPAC...that school closed their doors on July 1st after a sale of the school to investors fell through. The GPAC will also lose the NAIA national champ next year when Sioux Falls goes over to D2.

The DAC should be losing Minot St, Black Hills St, and South Dakota Mines to D2 in the next year.

Jason Dannelly, the "Pat Coleman" of the NAIA equivalent of D3sports.com was a Dana alum.

Gray Fox · July 05, 2010, 02:03:24 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 05, 2010, 03:07:36 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 05, 2010, 12:46:48 AM
From the NAIA map you can delete Dana College from the GPAC...that school closed their doors on July 1st after a sale of the school to investors fell through. The GPAC will also lose the NAIA national champ next year when Sioux Falls goes over to D2.

The DAC should be losing Minot St, Black Hills St, and South Dakota Mines to D2 in the next year.
Jason Dannelly, the "Pat Coleman" of the NAIA equivalent of D3sports.com was a Dana alum.

Aren't you still an alum if your school closes?

dahlby · July 05, 2010, 05:22:47 PM

Once an alum, always an alum. In fact several schools in the midwest still have web pages run by alumni. This is especially true with the smaller schools where classmates created close relationships.

etbu27 · March 02, 2011, 11:54:30 PM

I personally think growth in the Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona area would be great for us. As anyone can see there is a significant lack of (football) programs in the area. I feel like filling this gap could really allow more unique pre-season games.

I know nothing of D-2 or NAIA but my feeble mind tells me growth here (the region) could result in some decent pulls to local College games.

Gregory Sager · March 03, 2011, 12:05:20 AM

Quote from: etbu27 on March 02, 2011, 11:54:30 PM
I personally think growth in the Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona area would be great for us. As anyone can see there is a significant lack of (football) programs in the area. I feel like filling this gap could really allow more unique pre-season games.

... and more unique regular- season games, too.

Ralph Turner · March 03, 2011, 12:19:18 AM

Quote from: etbu27 on March 02, 2011, 11:54:30 PM
I personally think growth in the Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona area would be great for us. As anyone can see there is a significant lack of (football) programs in the area. I feel like filling this gap could really allow more unique pre-season games.

I know nothing of D-2 or NAIA but my feeble mind tells me growth here (the region) could result in some decent pulls to local College games.

When you are looking for growth, you gotta see what schools are out there.

To get teams into D-III, the schools have to come from somewhere. Those places include the NCCAA, NAIA and the USCAA. The only schools to reclassify to D-III from another NCAA division in the last 3-4 years are Birmingham-Southern (AL) and Centenary. Centenary will be a provisional NCAA member in year #1 of 4 and a member of the ASC next season. (I do not think that Centenary will be eligible for post-season until 2015-16.)

smedindy · March 03, 2011, 01:45:22 AM

Frankly, there are a lot of D-1 schools that should back off their D-1 dreams.

Ron Boerger · March 03, 2011, 10:42:03 AM

Quote from: smedindy on March 03, 2011, 01:45:22 AM
Frankly, there are a lot of D-1 schools that should back off their D-1 dreams.

True, but the alums scream whenever someone even thinks about moving away. So they bleed hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars a year for the 'prestige' of being D1 and getting on regional TV once in a while.

smedindy · March 03, 2011, 12:55:35 PM

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2011, 10:42:03 AM
Quote from: smedindy on March 03, 2011, 01:45:22 AM
Frankly, there are a lot of D-1 schools that should back off their D-1 dreams.

True, but the alums scream whenever someone even thinks about moving away. So they bleed hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars a year for the 'prestige' of being D1 and getting on regional TV once in a while.

Well, I don't the schools like Savannah State, SIU - Edwardsville, or NJIT even make the regional networks!

etbu27 · March 03, 2011, 02:08:13 PM

Quote from: smedindy on March 03, 2011, 01:45:22 AM
Well, I don't the schools like Savannah State, SIU - Edwardsville, or NJIT even make the regional networks!

As a former athlete at Georgia Southern I can vouch for Savannah State, if they went D3 they would never have the opportunity to play GSU or schools like GSU. Though they dont get to play on TV or even really get noticed during conference (they were 30 mins away and I couldnt even tell you their conference) but they did get profile games in preseason.

I think this is a real problem we have to overcome.

Knightstalker · March 03, 2011, 05:48:19 PM

Quote from: smedindy on March 03, 2011, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2011, 10:42:03 AM
Quote from: smedindy on March 03, 2011, 01:45:22 AM
Frankly, there are a lot of D-1 schools that should back off their D-1 dreams.

True, but the alums scream whenever someone even thinks about moving away. So they bleed hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars a year for the 'prestige' of being D1 and getting on regional TV once in a while.

Well, I don't the schools like Savannah State, SIU - Edwardsville, or NJIT even make the regional networks!

NJIT moved to D1 for their soccer and volleyball programs, the rest can't compete and they were not eligible to be grandfathered. They need to make a decision to either fully commit to D1 or drop down a division or two.

Pat Coleman · March 03, 2011, 06:15:53 PM

Quote from: smedindy on March 03, 2011, 01:45:22 AM
Frankly, there are a lot of D-1 schools that should back off their D-1 dreams.

+1

Pat Coleman · March 03, 2011, 06:16:50 PM

Quote from: etbu27 on March 03, 2011, 02:08:13 PM
Quote from: smedindy on March 03, 2011, 01:45:22 AM
Well, I don't the schools like Savannah State, SIU - Edwardsville, or NJIT even make the regional networks!

As a former athlete at Georgia Southern I can vouch for Savannah State, if they went D3 they would never have the opportunity to play GSU or schools like GSU. Though they dont get to play on TV or even really get noticed during conference (they were 30 mins away and I couldnt even tell you their conference) but they did get profile games in preseason.

Preseason games are televised? I could see televising a non-conference game, but televising a scrimmage or an exhibition seems excessive.