D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

[ExTartanPlayer]

With all due respect to our pollsters...and I know only one person did this...how does one rank Linfield above Oshkosh when UWO won AT Linfield in the quarterfinals and had no loss other than UST in the semifinals? I understand that polls have an element of subjectivity and guesswork and sometimes we exercise the "I'm picking who I think would win if they played again on a neutral field" clause...but give me a break, UWO came from down 15 points on the road to win (and it's not as though they were out gained or outplayed and got a bunch of lucky bounces, at least judging from the box score).

It's one thing to rank UMHB over UST - I agree there; the teams did not play head to head and MHB gave UMU a sterner test in the semifinals than UST did in the Stagg. That makes perfect sense to me. But why overlook the head to head result in UWO vs Linfield?

[NCF]

I feel the same way with Elmhurst two spots above North Central. We handily beat them and  it wouldn't matter at what point in the season the game (or games had we seen them again) took place. Had EC won or kept it close-diferent story. Fan polls

[NCF]

Forgot to add-thanks for doing this-I'm sure it coud be frustrating at times. i enjoyed participating! +K!

[ExTartanPlayer]

I feel the same way with Elmhurst two spots above North Central. We handily beat them and  it wouldn't matter at what point in the season the game (or games had we seen them again) took place. Had EC won or kept it close-diferent story. Fan polls

Yes and no.

You blew out EC, sure, but this is different because there are OTHER results on the schedule that cloud the H2H comparison (you guys did lose two regular season games, including one to a Wheaton team that EC beat). Sure you can make an argument that NCC was better, but it's really not a slam dunk because of your other two losses. The playoff resumes are roughly equal, if anything Elmhurst is a bit stronger with a victory and then a one-score loss on the road to an eventual Stagg participant.

I see absolutely no argument for Linfield over UWO, since UWO was undefeated at the time of the Linfield game and then won it, only to fall in the semifinals. Pretty big difference between the two situations.

[NCF]

I feel the same way with Elmhurst two spots above North Central. We handily beat them and  it wouldn't matter at what point in the season the game (or games had we seen them again) took place. Had EC won or kept it close-diferent story. Fan polls

Yes and no.

You blew out EC, sure, but this is different because there are OTHER results on the schedule that cloud the H2H comparison (you guys did lose two regular season games, including one to a Wheaton team that EC beat). Sure you can make an argument that NCC was better, but it's really not a slam dunk because of your other two losses. The playoff resumes are roughly equal, if anything Elmhurst is a bit stronger with a victory and then a one-score loss on the road to an eventual Stagg participant.

I see absolutely no argument for Linfield over UWO, since UWO was undefeated at the time of the Linfield game and then won it, only to fall in the semifinals. Pretty big difference between the two situations.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that, because if we had the chance to play them again in the play-offs, the result would be the same. When Elmhurst can beat, or stay close to NC, then they move ahead, until then, no way (JMHO). However, I completely agree with you on putting Linfield over Oshkosh. It's a fan poll, just a place for people to voice their opinions, no more, no less.

[02 Warhawk]

With all due respect to our pollsters...and I know only one person did this...how does one rank Linfield above Oshkosh when UWO won AT Linfield in the quarterfinals and had no loss other than UST in the semifinals? I understand that polls have an element of subjectivity and guesswork and sometimes we exercise the "I'm picking who I think would win if they played again on a neutral field" clause...but give me a break, UWO came from down 15 points on the road to win (and it's not as though they were out gained or outplayed and got a bunch of lucky bounces, at least judging from the box score).

I agree, it's inexcusable to have put Linfield a head of UWO. I would like hear his/her reasoning.

It's interesting what people placed Wheaton at. Talk about all over the board. As high as 10th...as low as unranked.

I personally put NCC a head of Elmhurst b/c of the head-to-head beat down. Both teams won one road playoff game, then lost on the road to the No. 1 team in their region. So it's tough to give Elmhurst the edge there. Especially with NCC having to travel further and having a tougher first-round matchup. I don't think Coe was challenged during the regular season, the IIAC was way down this year.

Overall - as a group - I think we did a good job on the Final Poll.

(I'm happy that all 25 of my teams made the Top 25  )

[smedindy]

Could be some idiot moron voter didn't double check his top 5 and concentrated on the bottom 15. 

[SUADC]

How do I join the fan poll for next season. I like how everything is detailed throughout the year...good job!

[02 Warhawk]

How do I join the fan poll for next season. I like how everything is detailed throughout the year...good job!

By posting this, you probably just earned a spot as a Fan Pollster for next year. It's that easy 

I'm sure FCGrizz can include you on the list for next year. So expect a personal message sometime in early September to get your pre-season poll in.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Could be some idiot moron voter didn't double check his top 5 and concentrated on the bottom 15. 

I think someone just implicitly confessed to being the 'idiot, moron voter'.

I was the lone voter for Wabash; surprised to be so lonely (especially with two Indiana voters)!

I was also the #10 vote for Wheaton.  I still believe it is essentially impossible to separate the CCIW 'triplets' - a logical case can be made for any ordering of Elmhurst, NCC, and Wheaton, but it is difficult to make a case for separating them very far.  I crossed my fingers and voted them 8. Elmhurst, 9. NCC, and 10. Wheaton.

[02 Warhawk]

Could be some idiot moron voter didn't double check his top 5 and concentrated on the bottom 15. 

I think someone just implicitly confessed to being the 'idiot, moron voter'.

I was the lone voter for Wabash; surprised to be so lonely (especially with two Indiana voters)!

I was also the #10 vote for Wheaton.  I still believe it is essentially impossible to separate the CCIW 'triplets' - a logical case can be made for any ordering of Elmhurst, NCC, and Wheaton, but it is difficult to make a case for separating them very far. I crossed my fingers and voted them 8. Elmhurst, 9. NCC, and 10. Wheaton.

Being a CCIW fan, you put all biases aside in this pick?    

[Mr. Ypsi]

Could be some idiot moron voter didn't double check his top 5 and concentrated on the bottom 15. 

I think someone just implicitly confessed to being the 'idiot, moron voter'.

I was the lone voter for Wabash; surprised to be so lonely (especially with two Indiana voters)!

I was also the #10 vote for Wheaton.  I still believe it is essentially impossible to separate the CCIW 'triplets' - a logical case can be made for any ordering of Elmhurst, NCC, and Wheaton, but it is difficult to make a case for separating them very far. I crossed my fingers and voted them 8. Elmhurst, 9. NCC, and 10. Wheaton.

Being a CCIW fan, you put all biases aside in this pick?    

Of course.   Being an IWU fan, I hate all three of 'em!

(And I had WIAC teams at 4 and 7, so quit your grousin'!)

[desertcat1]

With all due respect to our pollsters...and I know only one person did this...how does one rank Linfield above Oshkosh when UWO won AT Linfield in the quarterfinals and had no loss other than UST in the semifinals? I understand that polls have an element of subjectivity and guesswork and sometimes we exercise the "I'm picking who I think would win if they played again on a neutral field" clause...but give me a break, UWO came from down 15 points on the road to win (and it's not as though they were out gained or outplayed and got a bunch of lucky bounces, at least judging from the box score).

It's one thing to rank UMHB over UST - I agree there; the teams did not play head to head and MHB gave UMU a sterner test in the semifinals than UST did in the Stagg. That makes perfect sense to me. But why overlook the head to head result in UWO vs Linfield?

Well, it was not ME this time..  (The only linfield fan on the poll i think ?)..

My top ten  were,  Mtu, umhb,ust,uwo,linfield,wesley,ncc,elm,beth,witt... hope that helps ..


join in next year and have your own vote count too.. DC1

[hazzben]

Once we got outside the top 6, it got immensely more difficult. And this is seen in our voting pattern. No team in the top 6 was ranked lower than 6. From number 7 on, the spread's got wider and the subjectivity got greater.

Fun exercise, but it wasn't easy or infallible!

Thanks for taking point Griz +k

[D3MAFAN]

Once we got outside the top 6, it got immensely more difficult. And this is seen in our voting pattern. No team in the top 6 was ranked lower than 6. From number 7 on, the spread's got wider and the subjectivity got greater.

Fun exercise, but it wasn't easy or infallible!

Thanks for taking point Griz +k

How's the fan poll being set up this year?