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2015 WEEK 2 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank         Team                    Points    Prev
  1)   UW-Whitewater (7)    199     1
T2)   Linfield             188     3
T2)   Mount Union (1)      188     2
  4)   Mary Hardin-Baylor   175     4
  5)   Wesley               162     5
  6)   Wartburg             160     6
  7)   Wheaton              157     7
  8)   St John's            146     8
  9)   Wabash               136     9
10)   Johns Hopkins        119    10
T11)   North Central        115    11
T11)   St Thomas            115    12
13)   John Carroll         111    13
14)   Thomas More           91    15
15)   Wash & Jeff           83    14
16)   Hobart                70   T16
17)   Wittenberg            69    18
18)   Rowan                 64   T19
T19)   Centre                42   T21
T19)   UW-Oshkosh            42    24
21)   Bethel                39   T16
22)   UW-Platteville        34    25
23)   Hardin-Simmons        32    NR
24)   Texas Lutheran        13   T19
25)   Illinois Wesleyan     11    NR


Dropped Out: Muhlenberg and Chapman

Also Receiving Votes: Cortland St (10), Ithaca (10), Widener (8), Concordia-Moorhead (3), Guilford (2), Stevenson (2), Chapman (1), Morrisville St (1), Pacific (1), Whitworth (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, and thewaterboy
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  1)   UW-Whitewater        199  ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2)
T2)   Linfield             188  ( 2,  2,  2,  2,  3,  3,  3,  3)
T2)   Mount Union          188  ( 1,  2,  2,  2,  3,  3,  3,  4)
  4)   Mary Hardin-Baylor   175  ( 3,  4,  4,  4,  4,  4,  5,  5)
  5)   Wesley               162  ( 5,  5,  5,  5,  6,  6,  7,  7)
  6)   Wartburg             160  ( 4,  5,  6,  6,  6,  6,  7,  8)
  7)   Wheaton              157  ( 4,  5,  6,  6,  7,  7,  8,  8)
  8)   St John's            146  ( 7,  7,  7,  8,  8,  8,  8,  9)
  9)   Wabash               136  ( 8,  9,  9,  9,  9,  9,  9, 10)
10)   Johns Hopkins        119  (10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 11, 13, 13)
T11)   North Central        115  (10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 12, 13, 14)
T11)   St Thomas            115  ( 9, 11, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)
13)   John Carroll         111  (10, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13, 13, 15)
14)   Thomas More           91  (14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 16)
15)   Wash & Jeff           83  (11, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 18)
16)   Hobart                70  (13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 18, 23, 24)
17)   Wittenberg            69  (14, 14, 17, 17, 17, 18, 19, 23)
18)   Rowan                 64  (15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 19, 19, 21)
T19)   Centre                42  (19, 19, 20, 20, 20, 21, 23, 24)
T19)   UW-Oshkosh            42  (16, 18, 19, 20, 20, 21, --, --)
21)   Bethel                39  (17, 18, 18, 22, 22, 23, 23, --)
22)   UW-Platteville        34  (18, 20, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, --)
23)   Hardin-Simmons        32  (17, 20, 21, 21, 22, 23, --, --)
24)   Texas Lutheran        13  (20, 21, 24, --, --, --, --, --)
25)   Illinois Wesleyan     11  (21, 23, 24, 25, --, --, --, --)

T26)   Cortland St           10  (19, 23)
T26)   Ithaca                10  (17, 25)
28)   Widener                8  (21, 24, 25)
29)   Concordia-Moorhead     3  (24, 25)
T30)   Guilford               2  (24)
T30)   Stevenson              2  (24)
T32)   Chapman                1  (25)
T32)   Morrisville St         1  (25)
T32)   Pacific                1  (25)
T32)   Whitworth              1  (25)
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02 Warhawk

#1592
I'm interested to hear some thoughts about UWO, because I noticed two didn't rank them at all. They narrowly lost on the road to a top 15* scholarship-offering football program in week one.


*Robert Morris is ranked 11th in the latest NAIA poll.

jknezek

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2015, 12:57:05 PM
I'm interested to hear some thoughts about UWO, because I noticed two didn't rank them at all. They narrowly lost on the road to a top 15* scholarship-offering football program in week one.


*Robert Morris is ranked 11th in the latest NAIA poll.

And they beat a first year program. I don't have a problem with people who have or haven't ranked them, I'm just not sure their resume so far is conclusive either way. We don't have a lot of context for Robert Morris versus the better D3 teams. Is that loss better than Bethel's loss to Wartburg? Bethel is near the bottom of the poll right now as well, unranked by one person, and their win over UW-Stout is certainly more impressive than beating Finlandia.


wally_wabash

Quote from: jknezek on September 15, 2015, 01:38:41 PM
We don't have a lot of context for Robert Morris versus the better D3 teams. Is that loss better than Bethel's loss to Wartburg? Bethel is near the bottom of the poll right now as well, unranked by one person, and their win over UW-Stout is certainly more impressive than beating Finlandia.

That, I think, is the biggest problem with the out-of-division games as far as voters -and more importantly regional advisory committee members and national selection committee members- go.  I don't think people know exactly what to do with a result against Robert Morris or Morningside or whatever else it might be.  The easy way out is to say that school A gives scholarships, ergo school A is better than a D3 team and any close loss by a D3 team should count as a positive.  But that's not really always the case.  And I don't think any of us really know where that NAIA/D3 intersection is which makes dealing with those D3 vs. NAIA results more or less impossible. 
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Mr. Ypsi

I'm one of the non-voters for Oshkosh.  So far they have not accomplished anything.  I don't know how to evaluate Robert Morris (and UWO DID lose the game); they annihilated Finlandia, but so did Alma who has won 6 games total in the last four years.  UWO remains so far an unknown quantity - perhaps they should be 15th, perhaps they should be 50th.  They are definitely on my radar, but I just couldn't vote for them yet.

02 Warhawk

Yea, I understand it's very hard to gauge where Oshkosh falls...I would agree to that. The non-conference games they've lost over the years have all been to highly ranked NAIA teams, a D1 program and Mount Union. I think next week's game of UWW and Morningside will give us a good indication on where the NAIA ranks compared to D3. If Morningside just blows out Whitewater then that might suggest the top level NAIA teams are better than the top level of D3 teams. But one game is a small sample size.

But if that would to occur, then Oshkosh's loss to Robert Morris may not seem as bad then. Especially if they go on to do well in the WIAC.

smedindy

Quote from: wally_wabash on September 15, 2015, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 15, 2015, 01:38:41 PM
We don't have a lot of context for Robert Morris versus the better D3 teams. Is that loss better than Bethel's loss to Wartburg? Bethel is near the bottom of the poll right now as well, unranked by one person, and their win over UW-Stout is certainly more impressive than beating Finlandia.

That, I think, is the biggest problem with the out-of-division games as far as voters -and more importantly regional advisory committee members and national selection committee members- go.  I don't think people know exactly what to do with a result against Robert Morris or Morningside or whatever else it might be.  The easy way out is to say that school A gives scholarships, ergo school A is better than a D3 team and any close loss by a D3 team should count as a positive.  But that's not really always the case.  And I don't think any of us really know where that NAIA/D3 intersection is which makes dealing with those D3 vs. NAIA results more or less impossible.

Last year the Massey Ratings had the top NAIA team (Southern Oregon) comparable to Elite D2, fairly good 1-AA and UMass, a bad 1A team. Marian was the fourth best, I think, and they were around Linfield's ranking. However, that's the elite. The 10th through 12th . The best NAIA squad was around a middling D2 team and about 10 spots ahead of Bethel. The 15th best around St. John Fisher and North Central.

I think the best NAIA teams are probably a tick better than a comparable D3 team, but as you move down it's pretty even. "Scholarships" in NAIA land may be very small grants.
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2015 WEEK 3 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank         Team                    Points    Prev
  1)   UW-Whitewater (7)    199     1
T2)   Linfield             188    T2
T2)   Mount Union (1)      188    T2
  4)   Mary Hardin-Baylor   176     4
  5)   Wesley               165     5
  6)   Wheaton              158     7
  7)   Wartburg             152     6
  8)   St John's            149     8
  9)   Wabash               136     9
10)   Johns Hopkins        121    10
11)   St Thomas            113   T11
12)   Thomas More          108    14
T13)   John Carroll         100    13
T13)   UW-Platteville       100    22
15)   Wash & Jeff           85    15
16)   Wittenberg            73    17
17)   Rowan                 66    18
18)   North Central         62   T11
19)   UW-Oshkosh            47   T19
20)   Ithaca                44    NR
21)   Centre                42   T19
22)   Bethel                40    21
23)   Hardin-Simmons        32    23
24)   Cortland St           18    NR
25)   Illinois Wesleyan     15    25


Dropped Out: Hobart and Texas Lutheran

Also Receiving Votes: Texas Lutheran (6), Stevenson (5), Guilford (3), Albright (2), Concordia-Moorhead (2), Hobart (2), Whitworth (2), Chapman (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, and thewaterboy 
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  1)   UW-Whitewater        199  ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2)
T2)   Linfield             188  ( 2,  2,  2,  2,  3,  3,  3,  3)
T2)   Mount Union          188  ( 1,  2,  2,  2,  3,  3,  3,  4)
  4)   Mary Hardin-Baylor   176  ( 3,  4,  4,  4,  4,  4,  4,  5)
  5)   Wesley               165  ( 5,  5,  5,  5,  5,  5,  6,  7)
  6)   Wheaton              158  ( 4,  5,  6,  6,  6,  7,  8,  8)
  7)   Wartburg             152  ( 6,  6,  7,  7,  7,  7,  8,  8)
  8)   St John's            149  ( 6,  6,  7,  7,  8,  8,  8,  9)
  9)   Wabash               136  ( 8,  9,  9,  9,  9,  9,  9, 10)
10)   Johns Hopkins        121  (10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12, 12, 13)
11)   St Thomas            113  ( 9, 11, 11, 11, 11, 12, 15, 15)
12)   Thomas More          108  (10, 11, 11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 16)
T13)   John Carroll         100  (10, 11, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 23)
T13)   UW-Platteville       100  (12, 12, 13, 13, 14, 14, 15, 15)
15)   Wash & Jeff           85  (13, 14, 14, 15, 15, 17, 17, 18)
16)   Wittenberg            73  (13, 15, 16, 16, 17, 17, 19, 22)
17)   Rowan                 66  (15, 16, 17, 18, 18, 18, 19, 21)
18)   North Central         62  (14, 16, 16, 17, 18, 20, 22, 23)
19)   UW-Oshkosh            47  (16, 17, 19, 20, 20, 21, 24, 24)
20)   Ithaca                44  (12, 18, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, --)
21)   Centre                42  (18, 19, 19, 20, 20, 22, 23, 25)
22)   Bethel                40  (16, 19, 19, 21, 22, 22, 23, --)
23)   Hardin-Simmons        32  (19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 23, --, --)
24)   Cortland St           18  (17, 22, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)
25)   Illinois Wesleyan     15  (20, 22, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --)

26)   Texas Lutheran         6  (21, 25)
27)   Stevenson              5  (21)
28)   Guilford               3  (23)
T29)   Albright               2  (25, 25)
T29)   Concordia-Moorhead     2  (24)
T29)   Hobart                 2  (25, 25)
T29)   Whitworth              2  (24)
33)   Chapman                1  (25)


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02 Warhawk

#1600
Wow...Someone doesn't think much of John Carroll this year. I thought I ranked them relatively low at 13th...but 23rd!! :o  However, I'm cool with them as tied for 13 in our poll. I don't think they're a top 10 team like the D3 poll has them at.

I'm also glad to see NCC only dropped to 18th here. Dropping from 13th to 22nd (behind Centre and Ithaca) after a quality OT road loss seems a bit drastic in the D3 poll.

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2015 WEEK 4 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank         Team                    Points    Prev
  1)   UW-Whitewater (7)    199     1
  2)   Mount Union (1)      188    T2
  3)   Linfield             187    T2
  4)   Mary Hardin-Baylor   174     4
  5)   Wesley               168     5
  6)   Wheaton              160     6
  7)   Wartburg             150     7
  8)   Wabash               146     9
  9)   St Thomas            137    11
10)   Johns Hopkins        126    10
11)   Thomas More          115    12
12)   UW-Platteville       113   T13
13)   John Carroll          92   T13
14)   Wash & Jeff           91    15
15)   St John's             74     8
16)   Rowan                 70    17
17)   North Central         69    18
18)   Ithaca                56    20
19)   Bethel                55    22
20)   UW-Oshkosh            51    19
21)   Hardin-Simmons        49    23
T22)   Cortland St           25    24
T22)   Wittenberg            25    16
24)   Albright              14    NR
25)   Texas Lutheran        11    NR


Dropped Out: Centre and Illinois Wesleyan

Also Receiving Votes: Illinois Wesleyan (10), Maryville (9), Guilford (7), Whitworth (7), Hobart (6.5), Trinity (TX) (6), Chicago (4), Concordia-Moorhead (3), Franklin & Marshall (2), Cal Lutheran (0.5)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, and thewaterboy 
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  1)   UW-Whitewater        199  ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2)
  2)   Mount Union          188  ( 1,  2,  2,  2,  3,  3,  3,  4)
  3)   Linfield             187  ( 2,  2,  2,  2,  3,  3,  3,  4)
  4)   Mary Hardin-Baylor   174  ( 3,  4,  4,  4,  4,  4,  5,  6)
  5)   Wesley               168  ( 3,  5,  5,  5,  5,  5,  6,  6)
  6)   Wheaton              160  ( 4,  5,  5,  6,  6,  7,  7,  8)
  7)   Wartburg             150  ( 6,  6,  7,  7,  7,  8,  8,  9)
  8)   Wabash               146  ( 7,  7,  7,  8,  8,  8,  8,  9)
  9)   St Thomas            137  ( 6,  8,  9,  9,  9, 10, 10, 10)
10)   Johns Hopkins        126  ( 9,  9, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12)
11)   Thomas More          115  (10, 11, 11, 11, 12, 12, 12, 14)
12)   UW-Platteville       113  ( 9, 11, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 14)
13)   John Carroll          92  (10, 11, 13, 13, 15, 16, 16, 22)
14)   Wash & Jeff           91  (13, 14, 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 17)
15)   St John's             74  (12, 12, 13, 15, 18, 19, 20, 25)
16)   Rowan                 70  (15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 17, 19, 20)
17)   North Central         69  (13, 14, 16, 16, 16, 18, 20, --)
18)   Ithaca                56  (13, 17, 17, 20, 21, 21, 21, 22)
19)   Bethel                55  (14, 18, 18, 19, 20, 20, 21, 23)
20)   UW-Oshkosh            51  (14, 15, 18, 19, 19, 22, 24, --)
21)   Hardin-Simmons        49  (16, 18, 18, 19, 20, 21, 21, --)
T22)   Cortland St           25  (16, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, --, --)
T22)   Wittenberg            25  (15, 20, 23, 23, 25, 25, --, --)
24)   Albright              14  (18, 22, 24, --, --, --, --, --)
25)   Texas Lutheran        11  (19, 22, --, --, --, --, --, --)

26)   Illinois Wesleyan     10    (22, 24, 24, 24)
27)   Maryville              9    (17)
T28)   Guilford               7    (23, 23, 25)
T28)   Whitworth              7    (19)
30)   Hobart                 6.5  (21, 25, T25)
31)   Trinity (TX)           6    (22, 24)
32)   Chicago                4    (23, 25)
33)   Concordia-Moorhead     3    (23)
34)   Franklin & Marshall    2    (24)
35)   Cal Lutheran           0.5  (T25)
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02 Warhawk

I was reading the north region fan poll thread, and I noticed we have the same problem they did: Where to put NCC?

At face value, I would agree that it's hard putting a 1-2 team in the top 25. However, given their body of work, it's tough to be too hard on them because of who they lost to. Especially considering that both losses went down to the final possession.

I put them at 16. Even though they are under .500 I still think they're better than a bunch of teams in the top 25.

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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 29, 2015, 09:42:59 AM
I was reading the north region fan poll thread, and I noticed we have the same problem they did: Where to put NCC?

At face value, I would agree that it's hard putting a 1-2 team in the top 25. However, given their body of work, it's tough to be too hard on them because of who they lost to. Especially considering that both losses went down to the final possession.

I put them at 16. Even though they are under .500 I still think they're better than a bunch of teams in the top 25.

What about their "Game Control"?