D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 14, 2015, 10:24:29 PM

2015 WEEK 2 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank Team Points Prev
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 199 1
T2) Linfield 188 3
T2) Mount Union (1) 188 2
4) Mary Hardin-Baylor 175 4
5) Wesley 162 5
6) Wartburg 160 6
7) Wheaton 157 7
8) St John's 146 8
9) Wabash 136 9
10) Johns Hopkins 119 10
T11) North Central 115 11
T11) St Thomas 115 12
13) John Carroll 111 13
14) Thomas More 91 15
15) Wash & Jeff 83 14
16) Hobart 70 T16
17) Wittenberg 69 18
18) Rowan 64 T19
T19) Centre 42 T21
T19) UW-Oshkosh 42 24
21) Bethel 39 T16
22) UW-Platteville 34 25
23) Hardin-Simmons 32 NR
24) Texas Lutheran 13 T19
25) Illinois Wesleyan 11 NR

Dropped Out: Muhlenberg and Chapman

Also Receiving Votes: Cortland St (10), Ithaca (10), Widener (8), Concordia-Moorhead (3), Guilford (2), Stevenson (2), Chapman (1), Morrisville St (1), Pacific (1), Whitworth (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, and thewaterboy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 14, 2015, 10:54:32 PM

1) UW-Whitewater 199 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
T2) Linfield 188 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
T2) Mount Union 188 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Mary Hardin-Baylor 175 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
5) Wesley 162 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7)
6) Wartburg 160 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
7) Wheaton 157 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) St John's 146 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
9) Wabash 136 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10)
10) Johns Hopkins 119 (10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 11, 13, 13)
T11) North Central 115 (10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 12, 13, 14)
T11) St Thomas 115 ( 9, 11, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)
13) John Carroll 111 (10, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13, 13, 15)
14) Thomas More 91 (14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 16)
15) Wash & Jeff 83 (11, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 18)
16) Hobart 70 (13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 18, 23, 24)
17) Wittenberg 69 (14, 14, 17, 17, 17, 18, 19, 23)
18) Rowan 64 (15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 19, 19, 21)
T19) Centre 42 (19, 19, 20, 20, 20, 21, 23, 24)
T19) UW-Oshkosh 42 (16, 18, 19, 20, 20, 21, --, --)
21) Bethel 39 (17, 18, 18, 22, 22, 23, 23, --)
22) UW-Platteville 34 (18, 20, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, --)
23) Hardin-Simmons 32 (17, 20, 21, 21, 22, 23, --, --)
24) Texas Lutheran 13 (20, 21, 24, --, --, --, --, --)
25) Illinois Wesleyan 11 (21, 23, 24, 25, --, --, --, --)

T26) Cortland St 10 (19, 23)
T26) Ithaca 10 (17, 25)
28) Widener 8 (21, 24, 25)
29) Concordia-Moorhead 3 (24, 25)
T30) Guilford 2 (24)
T30) Stevenson 2 (24)
T32) Chapman 1 (25)
T32) Morrisville St 1 (25)
T32) Pacific 1 (25)
T32) Whitworth 1 (25)

02 Warhawk · September 15, 2015, 12:57:05 PM

I'm interested to hear some thoughts about UWO, because I noticed two didn't rank them at all. They narrowly lost on the road to a top 15* scholarship-offering football program in week one.

*Robert Morris is ranked 11th in the latest NAIA poll.

jknezek · September 15, 2015, 01:38:41 PM

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2015, 12:57:05 PM
I'm interested to hear some thoughts about UWO, because I noticed two didn't rank them at all. They narrowly lost on the road to a top 15* scholarship-offering football program in week one.

*Robert Morris is ranked 11th in the latest NAIA poll.

And they beat a first year program. I don't have a problem with people who have or haven't ranked them, I'm just not sure their resume so far is conclusive either way. We don't have a lot of context for Robert Morris versus the better D3 teams. Is that loss better than Bethel's loss to Wartburg? Bethel is near the bottom of the poll right now as well, unranked by one person, and their win over UW-Stout is certainly more impressive than beating Finlandia.

wally_wabash · September 15, 2015, 01:58:52 PM

Quote from: jknezek on September 15, 2015, 01:38:41 PM
We don't have a lot of context for Robert Morris versus the better D3 teams. Is that loss better than Bethel's loss to Wartburg? Bethel is near the bottom of the poll right now as well, unranked by one person, and their win over UW-Stout is certainly more impressive than beating Finlandia.

That, I think, is the biggest problem with the out-of-division games as far as voters -and more importantly regional advisory committee members and national selection committee members- go. I don't think people know exactly what to do with a result against Robert Morris or Morningside or whatever else it might be. The easy way out is to say that school A gives scholarships, ergo school A is better than a D3 team and any close loss by a D3 team should count as a positive. But that's not really always the case. And I don't think any of us really know where that NAIA/D3 intersection is which makes dealing with those D3 vs. NAIA results more or less impossible.

Mr. Ypsi · September 15, 2015, 05:44:12 PM

I'm one of the non-voters for Oshkosh. So far they have not accomplished anything. I don't know how to evaluate Robert Morris (and UWO DID lose the game); they annihilated Finlandia, but so did Alma who has won 6 games total in the last four years. UWO remains so far an unknown quantity - perhaps they should be 15th, perhaps they should be 50th. They are definitely on my radar, but I just couldn't vote for them yet.

02 Warhawk · September 18, 2015, 01:17:54 PM

Yea, I understand it's very hard to gauge where Oshkosh falls...I would agree to that. The non-conference games they've lost over the years have all been to highly ranked NAIA teams, a D1 program and Mount Union. I think next week's game of UWW and Morningside will give us a good indication on where the NAIA ranks compared to D3. If Morningside just blows out Whitewater then that might suggest the top level NAIA teams are better than the top level of D3 teams. But one game is a small sample size.

But if that would to occur, then Oshkosh's loss to Robert Morris may not seem as bad then. Especially if they go on to do well in the WIAC.

smedindy · September 18, 2015, 01:35:48 PM

Quote from: wally_wabash on September 15, 2015, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 15, 2015, 01:38:41 PM
We don't have a lot of context for Robert Morris versus the better D3 teams. Is that loss better than Bethel's loss to Wartburg? Bethel is near the bottom of the poll right now as well, unranked by one person, and their win over UW-Stout is certainly more impressive than beating Finlandia.

That, I think, is the biggest problem with the out-of-division games as far as voters -and more importantly regional advisory committee members and national selection committee members- go. I don't think people know exactly what to do with a result against Robert Morris or Morningside or whatever else it might be. The easy way out is to say that school A gives scholarships, ergo school A is better than a D3 team and any close loss by a D3 team should count as a positive. But that's not really always the case. And I don't think any of us really know where that NAIA/D3 intersection is which makes dealing with those D3 vs. NAIA results more or less impossible.

Last year the Massey Ratings had the top NAIA team (Southern Oregon) comparable to Elite D2, fairly good 1-AA and UMass, a bad 1A team. Marian was the fourth best, I think, and they were around Linfield's ranking. However, that's the elite. The 10th through 12th . The best NAIA squad was around a middling D2 team and about 10 spots ahead of Bethel. The 15th best around St. John Fisher and North Central.

I think the best NAIA teams are probably a tick better than a comparable D3 team, but as you move down it's pretty even. "Scholarships" in NAIA land may be very small grants.

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 21, 2015, 11:53:39 PM

2015 WEEK 3 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank Team Points Prev
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 199 1
T2) Linfield 188 T2
T2) Mount Union (1) 188 T2
4) Mary Hardin-Baylor 176 4
5) Wesley 165 5
6) Wheaton 158 7
7) Wartburg 152 6
8) St John's 149 8
9) Wabash 136 9
10) Johns Hopkins 121 10
11) St Thomas 113 T11
12) Thomas More 108 14
T13) John Carroll 100 13
T13) UW-Platteville 100 22
15) Wash & Jeff 85 15
16) Wittenberg 73 17
17) Rowan 66 18
18) North Central 62 T11
19) UW-Oshkosh 47 T19
20) Ithaca 44 NR
21) Centre 42 T19
22) Bethel 40 21
23) Hardin-Simmons 32 23
24) Cortland St 18 NR
25) Illinois Wesleyan 15 25

Dropped Out: Hobart and Texas Lutheran

Also Receiving Votes: Texas Lutheran (6), Stevenson (5), Guilford (3), Albright (2), Concordia-Moorhead (2), Hobart (2), Whitworth (2), Chapman (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, and thewaterboy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 22, 2015, 12:21:39 AM

1) UW-Whitewater 199 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
T2) Linfield 188 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
T2) Mount Union 188 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Mary Hardin-Baylor 176 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) Wesley 165 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7)
6) Wheaton 158 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8)
7) Wartburg 152 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) St John's 149 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9)
9) Wabash 136 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10)
10) Johns Hopkins 121 (10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12, 12, 13)
11) St Thomas 113 ( 9, 11, 11, 11, 11, 12, 15, 15)
12) Thomas More 108 (10, 11, 11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 16)
T13) John Carroll 100 (10, 11, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 23)
T13) UW-Platteville 100 (12, 12, 13, 13, 14, 14, 15, 15)
15) Wash & Jeff 85 (13, 14, 14, 15, 15, 17, 17, 18)
16) Wittenberg 73 (13, 15, 16, 16, 17, 17, 19, 22)
17) Rowan 66 (15, 16, 17, 18, 18, 18, 19, 21)
18) North Central 62 (14, 16, 16, 17, 18, 20, 22, 23)
19) UW-Oshkosh 47 (16, 17, 19, 20, 20, 21, 24, 24)
20) Ithaca 44 (12, 18, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, --)
21) Centre 42 (18, 19, 19, 20, 20, 22, 23, 25)
22) Bethel 40 (16, 19, 19, 21, 22, 22, 23, --)
23) Hardin-Simmons 32 (19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 23, --, --)
24) Cortland St 18 (17, 22, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)
25) Illinois Wesleyan 15 (20, 22, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --)

26) Texas Lutheran 6 (21, 25)
27) Stevenson 5 (21)
28) Guilford 3 (23)
T29) Albright 2 (25, 25)
T29) Concordia-Moorhead 2 (24)
T29) Hobart 2 (25, 25)
T29) Whitworth 2 (24)
33) Chapman 1 (25)

02 Warhawk · September 22, 2015, 04:17:13 PM

Wow...Someone doesn't think much of John Carroll this year. I thought I ranked them relatively low at 13th...but 23rd!!

However, I'm cool with them as tied for 13 in our poll. I don't think they're a top 10 team like the D3 poll has them at.

I'm also glad to see NCC only dropped to 18th here. Dropping from 13th to 22nd (behind Centre and Ithaca) after a quality OT road loss seems a bit drastic in the D3 poll.

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 28, 2015, 07:52:38 PM

2015 WEEK 4 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank Team Points Prev
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 199 1
2) Mount Union (1) 188 T2
3) Linfield 187 T2
4) Mary Hardin-Baylor 174 4
5) Wesley 168 5
6) Wheaton 160 6
7) Wartburg 150 7
8) Wabash 146 9
9) St Thomas 137 11
10) Johns Hopkins 126 10
11) Thomas More 115 12
12) UW-Platteville 113 T13
13) John Carroll 92 T13
14) Wash & Jeff 91 15
15) St John's 74 8
16) Rowan 70 17
17) North Central 69 18
18) Ithaca 56 20
19) Bethel 55 22
20) UW-Oshkosh 51 19
21) Hardin-Simmons 49 23
T22) Cortland St 25 24
T22) Wittenberg 25 16
24) Albright 14 NR
25) Texas Lutheran 11 NR

Dropped Out: Centre and Illinois Wesleyan

Also Receiving Votes: Illinois Wesleyan (10), Maryville (9), Guilford (7), Whitworth (7), Hobart (6.5), Trinity (TX) (6), Chicago (4), Concordia-Moorhead (3), Franklin & Marshall (2), Cal Lutheran (0.5)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, and thewaterboy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 29, 2015, 04:25:04 AM

1) UW-Whitewater 199 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) Mount Union 188 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4)
3) Linfield 187 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Mary Hardin-Baylor 174 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6)
5) Wesley 168 ( 3, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) Wheaton 160 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8)
7) Wartburg 150 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9)
8) Wabash 146 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
9) St Thomas 137 ( 6, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10)
10) Johns Hopkins 126 ( 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12)
11) Thomas More 115 (10, 11, 11, 11, 12, 12, 12, 14)
12) UW-Platteville 113 ( 9, 11, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 14)
13) John Carroll 92 (10, 11, 13, 13, 15, 16, 16, 22)
14) Wash & Jeff 91 (13, 14, 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 17)
15) St John's 74 (12, 12, 13, 15, 18, 19, 20, 25)
16) Rowan 70 (15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 17, 19, 20)
17) North Central 69 (13, 14, 16, 16, 16, 18, 20, --)
18) Ithaca 56 (13, 17, 17, 20, 21, 21, 21, 22)
19) Bethel 55 (14, 18, 18, 19, 20, 20, 21, 23)
20) UW-Oshkosh 51 (14, 15, 18, 19, 19, 22, 24, --)
21) Hardin-Simmons 49 (16, 18, 18, 19, 20, 21, 21, --)
T22) Cortland St 25 (16, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, --, --)
T22) Wittenberg 25 (15, 20, 23, 23, 25, 25, --, --)
24) Albright 14 (18, 22, 24, --, --, --, --, --)
25) Texas Lutheran 11 (19, 22, --, --, --, --, --, --)

26) Illinois Wesleyan 10 (22, 24, 24, 24)
27) Maryville 9 (17)
T28) Guilford 7 (23, 23, 25)
T28) Whitworth 7 (19)
30) Hobart 6.5 (21, 25, T25)
31) Trinity (TX) 6 (22, 24)
32) Chicago 4 (23, 25)
33) Concordia-Moorhead 3 (23)
34) Franklin & Marshall 2 (24)
35) Cal Lutheran 0.5 (T25)

02 Warhawk · September 29, 2015, 09:42:59 AM

I was reading the north region fan poll thread, and I noticed we have the same problem they did: Where to put NCC?

At face value, I would agree that it's hard putting a 1-2 team in the top 25. However, given their body of work, it's tough to be too hard on them because of who they lost to. Especially considering that both losses went down to the final possession.

I put them at 16. Even though they are under .500 I still think they're better than a bunch of teams in the top 25.

D3MAFAN · September 29, 2015, 10:57:07 AM

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 29, 2015, 09:42:59 AM
I was reading the north region fan poll thread, and I noticed we have the same problem they did: Where to put NCC?

At face value, I would agree that it's hard putting a 1-2 team in the top 25. However, given their body of work, it's tough to be too hard on them because of who they lost to. Especially considering that both losses went down to the final possession.

I put them at 16. Even though they are under .500 I still think they're better than a bunch of teams in the top 25.

What about their "Game Control"?